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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:32 PM
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I Can't Believe I'm Actually Thinking About Joining A Conservative Think Tank !?!?
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WASHINGTON -- A new political group recently asked Mitt Romney to promise not to wiretap Americans without a judge's approval or to imprison US citizens without a trial as "enemy combatants." When Romney declined to sign their pledge, the group denounced him as "unfit to serve as president."

Such rhetoric might be expected from liberal activists. But these critics, who call their organization American Freedom Agenda, are hardly leftists. They represent what they insist is a growing group of disaffected conservatives who are demanding that the Republican Party return to its traditional mistrust of concentrated government power.

"Mitt Romney's ignorance of the Constitution's checks and balances and protections against government abuses would have alarmed the Founding Fathers and their conservative philosophy," said Bruce Fein, one of the group's co founders and a Reagan administration attorney, in a press release last month attacking Romney for not signing the pledge.

The American Freedom Agenda, which intends to put all candidates in both parties to the same test, is aiming to revive a strand of conservatism that they say has been drowned out since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. The conservative principle of limited government, they say, means not just cutting the budget, but imposing checks and balances on those who wield power.

"Conservatives have to go back to the basics," said co founder Richard Viguerie , a veteran direct-mail strategist and author of "Conservatives Betrayed: How the Republican Party Hijacked the Conservative Cause." "We have to go back and re launch the conservative movement. And for traditional conservatives, it's part of our nature to believe in the separation of powers."

The other two co founders are Bob Barr , a former Republican congressman from Georgia, and David Keene , chairman of the American Conservative Union .

All four argue that Bush is not a true conservative, and they decided to join forces earlier this year to make the expansion of executive power a topic of debate in the 2008 presidential election. They have applied for tax-exempt status, created a website, and drawn up a 10-point pledge that they intend to ask every candidate to sign.

"I hereby pledge that if elected President of the United States I will undertake the following to restore the Constitution's checks and balances : to honor fundamental protections against injustice, and to eschew usurpations of legislative or judicial power," the pledge reads. "These are keystones of national security and individual freedom."

Other points in the pledge include renouncing the use of presidential signing statements to claim a right to disobey laws; ending threats to prosecute journalists who write about classified matters; and promising to use regular courts rather than military commissions to try terrorism suspects. The full pledge is posted on the group's website, AmericanFreedomAgenda.org.

The group also plans to lobby Congress to pass legislation imposing stronger checks and balances on the presidency. It is urging debate moderators to ask questions of the candidates about their views on the limits of presidential power, and it is planning to host events to raise voter awareness of the issue.

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Link to article: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/06/12/disaffected_conservatives_set_a_litmus_test_for_08/

Link to group: http://americanfreedomagenda.org/

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The 10-point American Freedom Agenda would work to restore the roles of Congress and the federal judiciary to prevent such abuses of power and protect against injustices that are the signature of civilized nations. In particular, the American Freedom Agenda would:

Prohibit military commissions whose verdicts are suspect except in places of active hostilities where a battlefield tribunal is necessary to obtain fresh testimony or to prevent anarchy;

Prohibit the use of secret evidence or evidence obtained by torture or coercion in military or civilian tribunals;

Prohibit the detention of American citizens as unlawful enemy combatants without proof of criminal activity on the President’s say-so;

Restore habeas corpus for alleged alien enemy combatants, i.e., non-citizens who have allegedly participated in active hostilities against the United States, to protect the innocent;

Prohibit the National Security Agency from intercepting phone conversations or emails or breaking and entering homes on the President’s say-so in violation of federal law;

Empower the House of Representatives and the Senate collectively to challenge in the Supreme Court the constitutionality of signing statements that declare the intent of the President to disregard duly enacted provisions of bills he has signed into law because he maintains they are unconstitutional;

Prohibit the executive from invoking the state secrets privilege to deny justice to victims of constitutional violations perpetrated by government officers or agents; and, establish legislative-executive committees in the House and Senate to adjudicate the withholding of information from Congress based on executive privilege that obstructs oversight and government in the sunshine;

Prohibit the President from kidnapping, detaining, and torturing persons abroad in collaboration with foreign governments;

Amend the Espionage Act to permit journalists to report on classified national security matters without fear of prosecution; and;

Prohibit the listing of individuals or organizations with a presence in the United States as global terrorists or global terrorist organizations based on secret evidence.


Like I Said... I'm considering joining!!!

Damn... I wish we had one.

:shrug:



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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:36 PM
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1. I've often said that today's conservative is a new breed and true
conservatives wince in pain every time they watch the news. Maybe the shrub administration will have a silver lining... consensus among conservatives and liberals on a number of important issues. Maybe?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:38 PM
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2. We Can Hope...
:shrug:
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:38 PM
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3. If You DO Join, Maybe You Can Persuade Them That They Are Liberals!
It could happen!
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:43 PM
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4. That's an impressive pledge. If only....(sigh) nt
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:43 PM
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5. Doesn't surprise me that Viguerie is planning on reigning in powers
of the office of the president.

If it so happens that the WH switches parties in '08, plans need to be started now if they want to cut back on this unitary presidential powers Cheney has been establishing.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:35 PM
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10. Your statement is
correct as far as I can figure.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 12:15 AM
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11. That scam-artist Viguerie is involved in this?
Edited on Wed Jun-13-07 12:16 AM by bananas
Hold onto your wallet, WillyT,
that's all Viguerie is interested in.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:56 PM
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6. That should be what CONSERVATISM means,
conserving our civil liberties, conserving the checks and balances that were built into our government, conserving the responsibility of the president to operate within the constitution.

If all conservatives were like that, I wouldn't be nearly as nasty to them.
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thethinker Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:00 PM
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7. The conservatives feel betrayed
because they were. Can you imagine what a fool you would feel like now if you had voted for Bush twice.

The conservative movement was not high jacked by the Republican party. It was high jacked by the neo-cons. I would guess that not 1% of conservatives are neo-cons. They did not vote for Bush and think they would get a neo-con government. He campaigned on a very conservative agenda.

This group sounds good. I am glad they will be asking these questions of both parties. These are things we all should be concerned about.



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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:02 PM
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8. If going there will help the main, over riding cause of
Repairing the damage done, I'm sure everyone at DU would bless you.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:20 PM
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9. And you believe them.
I'll just say that a lot of regular funding has dried up and they don't care if they lie.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 12:19 AM
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12. Richard Viguerie is involved -- watch out.
I know the enemy of my enemy can be my friend, but some "friends" aren't worth having.

Hekate

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 12:19 AM
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13. My friend Nixon wants to sell you a used car, a 1972 oxymoron super coupe.
What they say and what they do is always separated by an election.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:53 PM
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14. Wow... You Guys Don't Get It At All, Do You ???
:wtf:
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:59 PM
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15. "disaffected conservatives" is the word(s)
Thing is,...

,...well,...

,..pfft,...

,...American values ARE STILL "AMERICAN VALUES",...and no one has a patent/trademark/copyright on those values that we yearn,...

go ahead and beat up on me and i don't care
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 09:03 PM
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16. No... But Apparently You Haven't Been Paying Attention !!!
But I wouldn't beat up on people just for that. At least not at first.

:evilgrin:
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