Michael Vick is a dredge of society. One of the lowest forms of human life!

[hang a left]

This man was a hero to my son. He has Vick jerseys and a "Got Vick" t-shirt that he used to wear proudly.

People who perpetrate crimes against defenseless animals and children are THE scum of the earth.

I hope he loses everyone one of his endorsements and all his fans turn against him.

He is supposed to be a representative of championship. A leader, a role model, instead he is nothing but a piece of excrement.

[Buzz Clik]

1. Well, okay. He's been busted for it.

But... dredge?

[hang a left]

4. The group had been infiltrated by informants.

I think they have him dead to rights.

[Buzz Clik]

7. no doubt.

[rudy23]

2. K & R from a lifelong Saints' fan : )

[EV_Ares]

3. Whatever; he is scum, worthless, needs to crawl back under

the rock he came out of.

[emilyg]

21. I agree 1000%

Falcon Fan.

[ComerPerro]

5. Something about dogfighting, can you put in some links for people who don't know?

I had to do some googling.

[napi21]

6. Vick's been losing his fan base for a while now. This is just making

it faster!

[joeunderdog]

66. He's the Anti-Brady. Knows how to lose.

All sizzle and no steak--can't measure up when it really counts. Plays without thinking. Lives without thinking. An embarrassment to his fans and organization. True loser.

[RubyDuby in GA]

68. Don't get me wrong - Ron Mexico is the scum of the earth, but when it comes to the organization

Arthur Blank deserves to lose tons of money and have countless bits of scorn and embarrassment heaped upon him. Vick is scum. Blank is Republican scum. They go hand in hand.

[DefenseLawyer]

8. Get the noose!

Of course he hasn't been convicted of a crime, or even charged with one for that matter, but hell an anonymous informant said he was guilty on tee-vee. That's good enough for me. I for one won't let any quaint notions of due process get in the way of my enjoyment of a moment of righteous indignation.

[Bassic]

56. Damn right!

I think I'm going to burn my Michael Vick themed football tonight!

[Duppers]

71. as a local...

..who gets reports daily about the case, it's most difficult not to have formed an opinion based on the ton of evidence presented to the public, which is not singularly, by any stretch, based on the informant's testimony.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. He perpetrates crimes against defenseless animals?

have you got any proof of that?

[Debau2005]

16. A special Grand Jury is may be called

in Virginia to investigate the dog fighting that was being held on his property. I am in Atlanta and the local news is all a buzz with it.

This is just one more thing to add to his growing resume of bad deeds...My favorite is still getting caught with the water bottle that had the secret compartment that had pot residue in it. He, of course, says it wasn't his, and he was allowed to slide on that one.

With the publicity of the dogs being seized from his VA house and the growing evidence against him, I don't think he'll get a walk on this one.

There was a piece on ESPN lately, and I understand an article in Sports Illustrated this week.

This link requires a login - (try bugmenot.com for a username and password)
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/05/29/0530vick.html
"Authorities investigating felony dogfighting at a Surry County, Virginia property owned by Falcons quarterback Michael Vick could have enough evidence to present to a specially called grand jury before a scheduled July session, Commonwealth Attorney Gerald Poindexter told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Tuesday."

"Poindexter said that initial searches of the property in April show that dogfighting likely occurred at the property. Authorities seized 66 dogs and other objects, such as treadmills, medicines and other equipment believed to be related to dogfighting. Three envelopes addressed to "M. Vick" were seized. A room inside the house had blood-spattered walls, which investigators believe is a fighting pit. Poindexter said last week that charges were likely to be filed but would not indicate against whom."


This link does not require a login:
http://www.11alive.com/sports/pro_football/nfl/


edited for bad spelling...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. ZOMG! Marijuana! The scumbag!

Seriesly, when did sports become such a soap opera?

[JVS]

61. what does the Z in ZOMG stand for?

[LostinVA]

29. He needs to go to prison for this

And the two 'Skins who yukked it up about it disciplined in some way.

[lies and propaganda]

33. lock up everyone who SAYS stuff I dont agree with!

Sorry youre going to jail ;)

[LostinVA]

49. Where did I say I wanted people who disagreed with me to go to jail?

[lies and propaganda]

52. um maybe the post prrior where you say

people should be disciplined for merely SAYING something you dont like.

That hasnt even been proven yet and youre already handing out jailtime. Dont act like I read it wrong.

[Bassic]

57. Well, could you direct us to where exactly she said that?

Cause I sure am not seeing it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. I feel stupid

Who is he and what did he do?

Links can be great additions to thread starters! :)

[RL3AO]

12. dog fighting

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. So is he a dog?

Or is he promoting dog fights? Who is he?

[RL3AO]

15. I'm sorry...but I'm laughing so hard right now.

Michael Vick is a football player suspected of being a high roller in dog fighting.

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. Thank you

Like I said, an OP with links would have solved this whole problem. Especially since this isn't the sports forum :eyes:

[RL3AO]

20. Its been all over the news latley so it was plausible to think that most people knew about it

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. I only watch political news

Guess I missed this story. Kinda glad about that too :)

[DarkTirade]

42. Except the thousands of people who don't read the sports section

of the newspaper... or look for sports news on the internet... ect. ect.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Alledgely he had a "dog fighting ring" on his property.

Which last I checked, wasn't illegal, and there was no real proof he actually ran dog fights.

[Marnieworld]

37. dog fighting is a felony in VA

more than a ring found. Blood stained carpets, equipment commonly used for dog fights, a kennel filled with dogs common for dog fighting, All on his property. It's an awful lot of duck quacking to me.

The espn piece was very convincing. A police officer vouched for the informant as someone who has helped the convict many people.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

44. Yes, dog fighting is a felony.

But I didn't know Possession of Dog Fighting Paraphenalia was one.

[Richard Steele]

60. Perhaps not, but it's certainly evidence of a felony- "dog fighting".

Duh.

[Marnieworld]

62. Animal neglect is a crime

And that was clear. Just like drug paraphenalia is a separate offense to drug possession and dealing, the equipment is used as evidence of a larger crime. No one just has an empty crack pipe do they?

Will you be as blase when they, probably soon, dig up the remains of over 30 dogs buried in the yard of that house? Are you just not convinced that he is likely guilty yet or are you indifferent to what he is accused of?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

81. When they dig up thirty dead dogs?

No, I'll be rather impressed with your psychic powers when that happens.

When they don't, are you going to apologize to him?

[Jersey Devil]

14. some allegations about dog fighting

I really don't know much about it or even whether he's been charged with anything. He's the starting quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons in the NFL

[helderheid]

38. me too

:shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

48. Have we wandered into the sports forum by mistake??

[hang a left]

53. This is not a sports story, it is a crime story

that just happens to involve a famous quarterback. It has been all over the news.

Kind of like when a pol gets caught molesting kids. That is not political news it is also news regarding a crime that just happens to involve a politician usually a republican.

I was quite surprised to read the responses later in the day, as I had to leave the thread, that people had not even heard about the story.

Thanks for your rude comments.

[proud2BlibKansan]

58. I am not trying to be rude

I honestly had no idea who this guy was or what he did. And I am kind of glad now, especially if this proves to be true.

[RL3AO]

11. With all due respect, he has not be charged and is innocent until proven guilty.

It was just a couple months ago that the media learned of the consequences of jumping to conclusions and assuming that people are guilty (the Duke rape case). Lets not do that again.

[Hosnon]

45. DU is not a court of law; the consequence of judgment here is not imprisonment.

I do agree that everyone should exercise restraint but we are certainly not held to such a high legal standard outside of a criminal case.

[Duppers]

72. exactly, and we can have informed opinions

Notice, folks, I said INFORMED OPINIONS.

[Blackhatjack]

22. What has M. Vick Said Publicly About This Allegation? Has He Admitted Anything?

Without charges, and no presentation of evidence, Michael Vick's comments may be all we have to go on.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

23. you have GOT to know he isn't going to say sh*t

until he is in a courtroom...

sP

[DefenseLawyer]

25. Evidence? Charges?

Who needs evidence and charges when you have pitchforks and torches?

[Duppers]

73. sound as if have a 'dog' in this fight

I doubt you've done much research regarding this case.

As in every issue posted on this forum, we form opinions based on what we can ascertain via press release and evidence to support our OPINIONS! And we have the right here to express our informed opinions, based on as much evidence as we can find.

Most of the bushies who have committed crimes have not (yet) been convicted in a court of law, sir.

And when one finds African Americans dissing Vick at the local supermarket, you know there's a ton of evidence out there. A hero has fallen.

Anyone who engages in, supports, or has knowledge of dog fighting (w/o reporting it) is criminal SCUM in my book. And my saying he is scum does not mean a thing in a court of law.

You do believe in the courts, right? The evidence is there.

And we have a right to exercise our free speech here. This is not hate speech directed at a person of color, this is speech directed at a contemptible human who has brutalized and killed another innocent species.

[Ganja Ninja]

26. A local sports talk station yesterday said they were searching ...

his property this week because an informant told them there may be as many as 30 dogs buried on it. No proof or charges yet.

[salin]

51. I hope that the informant is wrong.

Not because I care about Michael Vick (he can do his own glory or his own swan dive - with the $$ he earns for the NFL) - but because the idea of the fights - and of 30 or so dogs killed to satisify some sick blood lust urge of humans, tears at my heart.

[ProfessorGAC]

46. He Said "No Comment"

When a TV reporter asked him if he thought he would be vindicated, that was Vick's reply.
The Professor

[AngryAmish]

24. Plus the whole Ron Mexico situation

[Kurovski]

27. You might mean "dregs of society".

"The basest or least desirable portion. Often used in the plural: the dregs of humanity.


http://www.answers.com/dregs&r=67

[BlooInBloo]

30. Criticizing DUers over their inability to use English is the most futile activity EVAH.

[Kurovski]

31. Really not a criticism, just a helpful correction.

I've improved my English over the years thanks to DUers, and continue to welcome future corrections, particularly when the error is in my headline.

I'd say attempting to improve freeper-English is the most futile activity ever! All others in the world have got a fighting chance. :D :hi:

[BlooInBloo]

32. Prosecution rests, your honor.

[Connie_Corleone]

34. Thank you to the people on this thread

who actually gave some information as to exactly what Vick is accused of doing.

Some of us don't follow the sports world that closely.

[Duppers]

74. Prosecutor: Informants put Vick at fights

Prosecutor: Informants put Vick at fights
Daily Press
May 31, 2007

SURRY -- Surry County prosecutor Gerald G. Poindexter acknowledged in a TV news interview on Wednesday that witnesses have come forward to place NFL star Michael Vick at illegal dogfights.

Speaking to WAVY-TV 10, Poindexter said: "We have informants. We have people who are volunteering to make those allegations."

Ever since the investigation began -- after 66 dogs were found during an April 25 narcotics raid on a home then owned by Vick -- there have been rumors of witnesses who described Vick attending dogfights. Last week on ESPN's "Outside the Lines," a man with alleged ties to dogfighting rings said he had met Vick at dogfights and bet on fights involving dogs owned by Vick. The man's face was not shown and his voice was distorted to hide his identity, but national a national dogfighting investigator said the man was a credible witness.

No charges have been filed in the case, and the investigation is continuing.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-now-vickinformants.my31,0,4400262.story


There's more than one person willing to testify now.

[Virginia Dare]

35. If the charges prove true, I will agree with you...

my husband went to VT, is a huge fan, and he relunctantly told me there is allegedly a video which will prove he was involved.

If it was going on at his property, and he really didn't have a clue, then at the very least, I would like to see a sizable donation to the humane society, and a complete repudiation of the practice.

[Cosmocat]

70. I am a pretty big sports fan, and ...

I have always had an appreciation for Vick's talent ... I have always stuck up for him as a player with people who never really had an appreciations for him ... ALSO, as a sports fan, I give MINIMAL consideration to what athletes do off the field ... I don't concern myself with it unless it is something truly criminal or anti social ...

All of that being said, I need to see no more evidence, Vick was VERY involved with this stuff, no way he didn't know, and you have to be flat niave to the point of being a child to not know he was active with it ... As such, I am done with him ... This is barbaric stuff, and whether he is charged and found guilty or not, I think the very least the league should do is suspend him for a full season ...

[Marnieworld]

36. YES!

He will be picketed until he is fired. I await the video evidence sure to be produced. He always struck me as nasty and now I know why. Dog fighting is barbaric and he actually is involved with it for the thrill of gambling. It makes me sick enough to puke. :grr:

[Duppers]

75. having lived in his hometown

I know of the Vicks and as you said, "he always struck me as nasty" too.

Too many rules violated and charges dismissed in the past.

[Marnieworld]

77. Interesting

When this first came out I really wasn't surprised. I told my husband that I couldn't be happier when Donovan McNabb gets sacked (I'm a Bucs fan) but I never had a bad feeling about him as a person. But there is just something about Vick that screams arrogance and entitlement and disgust with everyone and everything that I couldn't help but root against him. And now I do so much more than football. How many little boys will think that dog fighting is cool now? I really hope that there are dog lovers in the Head offices of the NFL.

[Duppers]

82. brother Marcus

All in the family, I'm afraid. I wanted to believe that Michael was far above his younger brother Marcus, who had been considered the 'black sheep' of the family.

Sigh.

Marcus Vick

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Vick

Controversy in Morgantown
The 2005 season, however, saw more controversy surrounding Vick. On October 1, 2005, Vick angered fans and press in Morgantown with a display of his middle finger to the crowd during the game at West Virginia University. Vick later apologized and made no further comments. He also elbowed a West Virginia University assistant coach while coming back onto the playing field after being run out of bounds. This incident was caught on film and played on ESPN later.

Gator Bowl incident
Vick once again courted controversy on January 2, 2006, when he violently stomped on the leg of Louisville defensive end Elvis Dumervil with his foot during the 2006 Gator Bowl. Following the game Vick claimed the incident was accidental and asserted he apologized to Dumervil after the game. Dumervil and Louisville coaches said that Vick didn't even talk to Dumervil after the game. Virginia Tech Athletic Director Jim Weaver issued a statement from the university on the incident:

"The unsportsmanlike conduct of quarterback Marcus Vick in yesterday's Gator Bowl game against Louisville is unacceptable behavior and contrary to the Hokies Respect Campaign.
Such on-field action is not reflective of Virginia Tech football nor of the values we hold at Virginia Tech. I and my colleagues in central administration are embarrassed and this athletic administration will not condone such acts of unsportsmanlike conduct. We will review and assess this incident further and deal with it accordingly."

Dismissal from Virginia Tech; ensuing legal troubles
After an additional report four days later revealed that Vick was cited on December 17, 2005 for a misdemeanor charge of driving on a suspended or revoked license<3>, Virginia Tech announced his permanent dismissal from its football program "due to a cumulative effect of legal infractions and unsportsmanlike play."<4> In response to being thrown off the team, Vick has been quoted as saying, "It's not a big deal. I'll just move on to the next level, baby."<5>

.........

Wiki leaves off a lot of local charges too.

[LostInAnomie]

39. Who could imagine that "Ron Mexico" would do something immoral.

A bigger piece of shit would be hard to find. I absolutely cannot stand cruelty to animals. Especially when it is cruelty just to be cruel. I hope they throw the book at him.

[Marnieworld]

41. Not just cruelty to be cruel- It's cruelty to profit from for fun

I thought it was just to watch but it apparently is all about the GAMBLING involved. I thought it was disgusting before but now I can't express my rage over it being about money. :grr:

[Johonny]

40. Wait

It took this to suddenly get you concerned that Ron Mexico might be a bad role model for your child? Hmm...

[maxsolomon]

43. the predjudice against dog fighting is just cultural

the dogs LIKE to fight. just like cockfighting. or bullfighting.

:sarcasm:

seriously: the marijuana allegations? WGAF?

[Norquist Nemesis]

55. That's what was strange about the SI piece

Hubby had just finished reading the article last night and made the comment that it's almost like SI didn't want to say it was 'a black thing'. He handed the article over to me with mixed look of frowns and puzzlement.

Cockfighting and dogfighting aren't something I know much of anything (if at all) about, and I had the impression that they covered the spectrum in "fans". But to read the piece, they bring up just what you said and talk about the "subculture". I was sickened by what I learned from that piece about "the sport".

[maxsolomon]

64. no one wants to say that

out here in the PNW, it isn't 'a black thing'. its a low-class DIRTBALL thing. this is where the plague of rescue pit bulls comes from.

[mitchum]

47. He's just a racehorse himself and it seems he would have more compassion

Honestly, isn't that what all professional athletes are?
Ironic that one beast who physically competes for the amusement of others would...y'know...

[rateyes]

50. My wife and daughter protested in Macon, Georgia

the other day outside the courthouse while 3 juveniles were being arraigned for the THIRD offense of animal cruelty. Set a dog on fire. Evidence that others dogs were also set on fire by these hooligans.

Animal cruelty is despicable in and of itself, and the fact that these juveniles could actually be free to do this a THIRD time (that we know of) is unbelievable. The protest was to push for stricter punishment for these juveniles.

While despicable in and of itself, animal cruelty is a precursor to violent crimes against human beings. A majority of criminals in prison for violent crime have a history of cruelty to animals. Behavior is LEARNED.

I hope we can get a protest organized for spring training and NFL games in Atlanta if, because he's a sports star, Vick walks away with a "slap on the wrist." He deserves to be made an example of for our children. If he gets busted, and goes to prison for the max (as he should...breeding dogs for the purpose and betting thousands), then perhaps the kids will think twice about doing such a dastardly deed.

I hope Vick gets the maximum sentence the law allows, and that the NFL never lets him play another game.

[Marnieworld]

63. Those are my hopes as well

On ESPN last night, in May mind you, this was the top story for about 10 minutes. They were asking about how he will handle this in the fall and I'm wondering if he will even play a game.

The case is building up with momentum. There may be just too much info that the league will not be able to just ride it out and wait for a conviction. My bet is that they are waiting for video. Once they have video of him at a dog fight, especially if he is seen betting, and especially if it is on his property they will have enough to throw him out. No team wants to be protested and the league would not protect a felon, let alone someone evidently guilty of animal cruelty. I don't think they'd take the heat for him.

That's my guess. I have a feeling that this is only beginning. I am grateful for you and your daughter's efforts.

[RubyDuby in GA]

69. I will gladly stand with you outside the GA Dome to protest Ron Mexico

He is a truly despicable human being.

[rateyes]

85. If we need to....

I'll let you know.

[genie_weenie]

54. A Federal witness claims Vick is heavily involved

A witness claimed Vick is "one of the ones that they call the big boys."

(more) http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2884063

This witness has previously been used by law enforcement, leading to dozens of felony arrests. If his testimony stands up under trial and Vick is convicted the new commissioner should BAN Vick from the NFL life.

If Vick doesn't face a lifetime ban some other team will give Vick a chance because in the NFL (and all sports) Talent trumps all crimes and immorality.

[alcibiades_mystery]

59. Blah blah blah

Deep breaths, you know? They help.

[maxsolomon]

65. dog fighting fan?

not a popular stance nowadays.

with the deep breaths should come loving kindness & equanimity.

[alcibiades_mystery]

67. No

Hysteria opponent. It's different.

[flvegan]

83. Sooooo...

this is nothing but a reaction to hysteria? Or, is it really just hysteria itself?

[alcibiades_mystery]

84. The OP is hysterical

[flvegan]

86. You sure?

"Blah, blah, blah."

Your words.

[alcibiades_mystery]

88. Yes

Sorry. I use "blah blah blah" for general meaninglessness. Does it have a slower, non-hysterical connotation for you?

[Duppers]

76. "nowadays"

Should not be at any time! But you were just using irony, right? Please say yes.

"Loving kindness & equanimity" toward a sadist? Never!!

You as soon tell me to have "loving kindness & equanimity" toward the bushies!


:grr:

[maxsolomon]

78. if you don't, you're not much of a buddhist.

and i'm trying. its very hard.

i was referring to the OP.

[Duppers]

79. :) nope

I prefer Taoism, the philosophy--not the religion.

Anywho, I know from where you're coming, BUT if we do not oppose sadists, how can we stop them?

Taking one's self to a calm place only protects one's self; the higher ground is to fight for the protection of the innocent. I find it difficult to do both at the same time. :P
And, dear, if you want calm, why are you reading DU? ;)

In this case, that is protection of the canines and any innocent onlookers, such as children, who could be scared by this horrible "sport." This kind of sick blood sport should have stopped with the Romans!

And just perhaps, our discussion here will help the cause in some way.

[BrklynLiberal]

80. I agree 100%.

[judaspriestess]

87. vick is just a growing number of NFL players who seem to

think they are above the law. Here in Vegas, pacman jones was involved in an altercation at a strip club which resulted in someone from his posse firing a gun and paralyzing the bouncer and jones appears to not be remorseful. Quite a few other incidents out there being reported from serious drug use to attempted murder. The NFL needs to start getting rid of these players. They make all this money and while they are playing in the NFL they can't follow the law? Do whatever the hell you want when you get done playing. It is an insult to anyone watching the sport.

Vick like all the other criminals in the NFL need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I agree with the OP, hurting animals, children and senior citizens is wrong and disgusting beyond the pale.

[Goblinmonger]

89. I have hated him for some time

because he is clearly the most overrated QB in the NFL. What has he ever done that was worth a shit?