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MakeItSo (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 12:58 PM Original message |
Confederate Robert E. Lee birthday party today at US Capitol! |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yet, anti-war protesters are the ones committing treason |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Lee commanded an army of what to him was a separate country. |
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specimenfred1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 01:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Correct, His Land Was Taken When the War Started |
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NorCal (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Slavery wasn't the main issue in the war. |
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MakeItSo (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. And the Iraq War isn't about oil. Puleez... |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. The Civil war was |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
37. Slavery had been an issue for decades prior to the Civil War |
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meow2u3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 11:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
106. 'States' Rights' was--and still is--just dixiecon code |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-22-06 07:20 AM Response to Reply #8 |
56. You need to read some history. n/t |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-22-06 09:10 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. You Need To Read Some Real History - He's Right |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-22-06 09:25 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. thank you.... |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-22-06 10:30 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Lincoln issued the EP to forestall England aiding the southern |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
121. Except that in their own letters of secession, the southern states list |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 01:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
75. Little known fact - the Union kept slavery LONGER than the Confederacy |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #75 |
92. Very simple explanation for this... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 10:03 PM Response to Reply #92 |
99. If something is unconstitutional, it's unconstitutional |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 10:07 AM Response to Reply #99 |
110. Interesting... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 11:08 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. According to Lincoln it did |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 11:33 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. If they were to treat the South as a part of US... |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 12:05 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. There's also the embargo to consider |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 03:06 PM Response to Reply #112 |
120. Should the US have fought the Civil War |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. Now I know who bought my oceanfront property in Nebraska |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 12:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
66. Yup, they do -- scary, huh? |
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agincourt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
32. Confederate revisionist nonsense, |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Bingo!!! |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Here's another... this one from Mississippi: |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
39. Yeah, sure. When's the last time you read these? |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-22-06 08:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
57. He led troops in a war against the USA |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 12:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. And, they actually DIDN'T agree or believe in States' Rights! |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-22-06 09:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
59. Go look at each and every single declaration of seccession friend |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
65. Yeah, it pretty much was -- nice try, though |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 01:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
78. and when Governer Wallace stood at the doors of Bama |
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Mr. Blonde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 10:28 PM Response to Reply #78 |
103. That was all about Politics |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
80. It WAS about white supremacy... |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
122. LOL! This is hillarious! |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 02:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. The federal government actually returned the property - |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. But that was after the general had died |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Good |
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long_green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 10:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
102. actually, Arlington belonged to his wife's family |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. How disgusting |
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agincourt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-22-06 04:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
63. The conservative confederates own Washington, |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. Celebrating a Traitor's Birthday? |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. Lee was indicted for treason |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
4. Honoring the leader of an insurrection vs. the United States. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Lee the leader |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Lee was actually requested to lead - |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
69. H e was a traitor, plain and simple |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #69 |
100. How did Lee try to destroy the |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
7. Perceptions on both sides are skewed a bit with this |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 02:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. By all accounts, Erwin Rommel was a good & honorable man too. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Why are you addressing this to me |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. I think Rommel's son |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
64. Comparing the Confederates and the Nazis is Apples and Oranges. n/t |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
38. You make some good points |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. Of course |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
12. I am a southerner; born and raised. It is ridiculous for anyone to |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. I agree |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. I think much of the bitter feelings in the south after the war |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. By definistion traitors |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 04:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. If you are a citizen of a country and take up arms against that |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 04:48 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. The people of texas voted 80-20 to leave the USA |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. Look at the red states, except for two, they were slave states, or had |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
40. It was a tragic episode for sure |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
93. HUZZAH! Hear, hear... |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
13. Celebrating the birthday of a traitor |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. No wonder they don't care about the Constiution |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
14. He was a killer and a traitor. |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. Unlike Zarqawi, Lee was not in charge of the decision to fight. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Lee could have surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Lee was in constant communication |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. I still think treason should have a high bar. For Lee and liberals alike |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-22-06 07:03 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Calling "Treason!" is getting popular on the Left |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
31. That's just ridiculous |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 04:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. The "battles" you list were very minor and had no impact. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. That's true the victories of the spring 1864 were |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
22. Inappropriate. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 01:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
74. I think some in our time see him as a traitor because we |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 10:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
101. I don't understand this idea of |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
26. Big Deal |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 12:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
70. It's a bad heritage, and that needs to be said and remembered |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 11:06 PM Response to Reply #70 |
105. Why is it a "bad heritage"? |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
33. Neo-Cons: Peeing on Lee's grave, then laughing at the puddles. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 04:05 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Lee was actually quite a |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
36. It is a state holoday here in Texas |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Texas is an especially interesting case |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. it is? |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 07:29 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Well it is for state workers at least |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 01:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
77. "Confederate Heroes' Day" is a "partial staffing holiday" |
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Rocknrule (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-21-06 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
52. Bush probably sees him as a "defender of freedom" |
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agincourt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-22-06 04:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. As dumbed down as americans are, |
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Hyernel (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
68. Lee was one of America's best commanders... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 12:33 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. No, he fought for slavery |
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Hyernel (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 12:44 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I disagree... |
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AbbyR (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #71 |
90. I've been reading this thread all the way, and |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #68 |
83. Slavery is the ground upon which the South CHOSE to fight... |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
72. WTF?? This is disgusting. |
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oneoftheboys (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
76. Robert E. Lee was a great American. |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 01:39 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Lee was a traitor to America. |
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oneoftheboys (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. It was not a civil war. You should educate yourself. |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. See post #82, and educate yourself.... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 02:20 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. A "Civil War" can be defined in several ways.... |
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oneoftheboys (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 04:10 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Losing doesn't make one wrong. Unless, of course, |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 04:45 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Depend on a children's encyclopedia for a more simplistic definition! |
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oneoftheboys (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. If you don't like my source, there are many more out there... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 09:00 AM Response to Reply #96 |
107. Call the War what you will; it let's people know where you stand. |
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oneoftheboys (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 11:40 AM Response to Reply #107 |
113. If Lee had fought the war like Sherman... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. Your account of the March to the Sea is mostly legend.... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. For me the most neutral and accurate title is |
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DelawareValleyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Actually, Virginia seceded April 17 |
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oneoftheboys (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 04:06 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. It looks like my memory let me down. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #82 |
98. But after Lincoln unconstitutionally |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
85. Ah, the distinguished General Lee. Such a fine figure of a man. |
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long_green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 10:36 PM Response to Reply #85 |
104. one thing that needs to said on Lee's behalf |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
87. Didn't the Civil War END about 150 years ago? |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. Not below the Mason-Dixon it didn't.**nm |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-23-06 06:35 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Down here we refer to it the War of Northern Aggression ... |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #95 |
115. It's time to enter the present time.... n/t |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
108. Well, he was a decorated Union General before his treason |
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lpbk2713 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
109. Oh Look! ..... It's another regional bashing thread. |
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LiberalInGeorgia2005 (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
116. None |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 03:03 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. He was a career army man |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-24-06 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
118. Jeebus, who |
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