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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 01:10 AM Original message |
"myth: the US was founded on Christian principles." |
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xthetylerx (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
1. Finally, the myth is revealed! |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
2. I'm still waiting for that "day" that Jefferson predicted... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 02:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. America was founded on NOODLEY Principles, Dammit! |
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ClintonTyree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 05:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Damn straight! |
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gatorboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 01:36 AM Response to Original message |
3. Rather, modern America is based on 50's Christian principles. |
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ClintonTyree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 05:58 AM Response to Reply #3 |
14. That was added to combat the "red menace". |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
4. Christian founders were slave owners |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 07:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
24. When people hear "Christianity", they think Jesus' acts. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
5. Deleted sub-thread |
Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 02:24 AM Response to Original message |
7. oops - delete - posted in wrong spot. n/t |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
8. The part that is left off of the Jefferson Memorial: |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 02:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. thank you! n/t |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
10. and all that was before coup 2000 |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 03:26 AM Response to Original message |
11. Whenever I quote from another site or from another posting |
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Wheezy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:24 AM Response to Reply #11 |
31. giving credit to the blogger is a must as well, imho, by providing a link. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:40 AM Response to Reply #11 |
35. You set a good example |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:16 AM Response to Reply #35 |
54. Thank-you. I don't think I'll do that again. It can't be right. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. I've learned the rules with help from others |
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IselaB (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:12 AM Response to Reply #11 |
53. No, the US was NOT founded on Christian principles |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:22 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. or a slaver's whip and smallpox blankets (nt) |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 03:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
76. If Madison had wanted christian principles to be used... |
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Bear down under (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 03:45 AM Response to Original message |
12. It doesn't really matter |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 06:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. HOWEVER.... |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 06:28 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. "their Creator" is pretty broad and doesn't say |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 07:02 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. However...Part II |
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W_HAMILTON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 07:15 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Hostile to religious belief? |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 07:23 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I never said that they wanted to be |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. The founding fathers were religion-neutral |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
78. Presidential Oath |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 08:53 AM Response to Reply #28 |
101. Problem is... |
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W_HAMILTON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:14 AM Response to Reply #20 |
30. They wanted a society where it was free to worship as you please |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. It's OK for people to be "openly hostile" to religion |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:48 AM Response to Reply #20 |
37. The whole business of "some" Dems being "hostile to religion" |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 09:41 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Just Because you dont know any Dem's... |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 09:45 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. The burden's on you, my friend. |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 09:51 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I never said prominent Dems, if you could find a point where I have |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 09:55 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Maybe it would help if you'd define what you mean by "hostile to religion" |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 09:58 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. That "they" want to completely scour religion |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:02 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Okay, progress. Now define "the public square." |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:07 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. A school |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:35 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Okay, so are you saying that it's okay for public, tax-funded schools |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 11:14 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Hello...? Helloooo... ellooooooo.... ellooooooooo....... |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 11:54 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. I am sorry I did not respond right away |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 12:17 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. No problem. We all have lives. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 12:48 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Deleted message |
1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:58 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Religion has no place in a public school except as a study on how |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 11:26 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I don't see anything wrong with teaching elective philosophy courses |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 07:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
85. What's wrong with scouring religion from the public square?? |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:25 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. ONce again I am being misunderstood |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
84. Welcome to DU. Enjoy your very short stay. |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. Well ya make me feel so gosh darn welcome |
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Mad_Dem_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 08:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
102. Well said - "Creator" does not necessarily mean |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:24 AM Response to Reply #16 |
32. Ah, yes, the Pursuit of Happiness |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
77. Except you are referring to the Declaration of Independence |
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Bear down under (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 09:27 PM Response to Reply #77 |
90. The Declaration of Independence |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 01:12 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. The Declaration of Independence is meaningless from a legal standpoint |
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Bear down under (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 05:24 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Of course you're correct, impeachdubya |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #93 |
106. You make some good points, by Jove. |
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Biernuts (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 05:58 AM Response to Reply #92 |
95. True, "God" doesn't appear, but "Lord" does |
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Bear down under (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 06:42 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. It was a conventional phrase at the time |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #95 |
103. Oh yeah, it's got a DATE on it. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 07:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
83. I was "created" by the FSM. How about you? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 01:03 AM Response to Reply #16 |
91. O.K. Find the word "God" in the CONSTITUTION. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:17 AM Response to Reply #12 |
55. true. |
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ClintonTyree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 06:03 AM Response to Original message |
15. Religion is all about control....... |
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Ferretherder (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 07:38 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Ding! Ding! Ding! |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
22. more to the point, they FLED christian nations |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 07:45 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. But it really goes back to the question |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 07:55 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. It is both, sir. |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:10 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Not to misunderstand... |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:50 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. Unless you are a lady, you should not misapprehend my use of |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 09:46 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. I just wanted to make sure. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:02 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Okay, no problem. I was in the military for quite a while too. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 04:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
81. The Magistrate, one of the moderators here, |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Fair enough |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
86. Knock that silly chip off your shoulder. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:55 AM Response to Reply #23 |
40. It is neither. |
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bluem (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
26. May I suggest |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:09 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I have read it |
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bluem (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 04:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
80. Congratulations... |
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Jazzgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
33. This entire thread is very interesting. |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
79. they say it because they can get away with it. |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
34. Intelligent Redesign |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
39. Yes and No |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 09:02 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I disagree. |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
71. Reformation |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Uh, kind of. |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 08:25 AM Response to Reply #73 |
98. Doubtfull to select one over the other |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
42. Take this quiz to see how much you know about separation of church |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 09:57 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. I got a 100! |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 11:52 AM Response to Reply #48 |
64. fantastic! |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 06:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
82. Me too!!! |
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sutz12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
72. I scored 17 |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 06:18 AM Response to Reply #42 |
96. 17 out of 21 |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
57. In that they're both business ventures? |
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Brian Stevens (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
63. You are quite a lion. :) |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
66. You guys do realize |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 12:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Gorsh--really? |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 12:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Sometimes people forget and start making a bunch |
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kitty1 (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
74. The Constituion was based on FreeMasonry principles... |
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coda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-11-06 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
75. It may sound good, but some of it is just flat wrong. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 05:34 AM Response to Original message |
94. I don't remember reading about democracy in the bible |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
99. The founders' religious beliefs inspired them to respect freedom for all |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
100. Check out these quotes by our Founding Fathers: |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
104. They were much closer to, and knew the horrors of state |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
105. Great OP! If the founding fathers wanted the US to be a Christian Nation |
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