Talking of alledged killings of civilians in Irag now on cspan WJournal.

[rodeodance]

[rodeodance]

1. a woman called, crying--they are just trying to stay alive she said, I did

not catch if she was a mother of one of the troops who just got sent to that area in March.

[rodeodance]

2. another man called--basically saying this is war-Why is this even being

investigated.

[rodeodance]

4. saying Reporters are given a day long class on the rules.

[dipsydoodle]

11. The war was over in a day or so.

Iraq has since been a country which is occupied , allegedly by liberators, and that's why it's being discussed.

Caller was obviously a muppet.

[dysfunctional press]

3. alledged...?

aren't we past that point already?

[rodeodance]

5. the troops involved deserve a trial before saying are guilty.

[dysfunctional press]

13. in that case- so does every person in the bush administration...

but how often does it happen around here?

[treestar]

19. Oh yeah, that little matter? I thought we were at war?

:sarcasm:

[no_hypocrisy]

7. "alleged killings"?!

Is it debatable that a multitude of Iraqi civilians are dead?
Is it debatable that they didn't die of natural causes or by suicide?
Is it debatable that our American military used deadly force against said Iraqi civilians, not in self-defense of themselves or a third party?

I want trials in the Hague for war crimes.

[Philosoraptor]

15. Lawyer Talk.

The old innocent until proven guilty thingy.

Alleged is such a quaint and antiquated word, like torture.

[no_hypocrisy]

18. No such thing as being "conditionally dead". Screw lawyer talk n/t

[Jeffersons Ghost]

16. no it's "alleged killings" because they may not be dead or...

maybe they're not REAL people, just Iraqis.

[rodeodance]

6. Julian Barnes, LATimes is the guest: He just said that any time civilians

are killed 'in cold blood", it deserves an investigation. He was responding to a caller who did not think an investigation was necessary.

[jpevahouse]

8. Same old story

From what I've seen on TV the media spin has begun to shift the focus of sympathy from the victims of this massacre to the troops. Before they ever get to trial which will be many months the media spin masters will have us teary eyed over the poor troops "under pressure". The problem I have with that excuse is it doesn't work in our legal system. If you or I were under extreme personal stress, killed a lot of people in a violent fit of rage we'd end up at least in prison for life, if not get the death penalty. We couldn't even get out of a speeding ticket with that excuse much less something really illegal.

[treestar]

20. Right! And it doesn't work for John Muhammed or Timothy McVeigh

Oh, but then they killed AMERICANS! That's different.

:sarcasm:

[w8liftinglady]

9. bush supporter-"set up w/ terrorists"

[Philosoraptor]

10. Perhaps the whole thing was faked by the terrorists...oh god she's stupid

[w8liftinglady]

12. I hope the retired marines realized that our intent is not to crucify

..the marines...rather -to hold their leaders accountable for sending these burnt-out troops back multiple times.

[Philosoraptor]

14. To imprison them for life, and not the C. in Chief would be UNFAIR.

Or I should say, it WILL be unfair, but that's exactly how it will go down.

[ugarte]

17. To many Americans, Iraqis=alleged human beings

Major part of the problem.

[liberalmuse]

21. I can't watch that show...

Either there are an inordinate number of crackpots that call into WJ, or America is experiencing a massive moral breakdown. It simply baffles my mind how anyone could attempt to justify an 'alleged' massacre. I think any decent human being must agree that the 'alleged' massacre of civilians, including women and their babies should be thoroughly investigated. That people are trying to make excuses for this type of behavior, or demonize the victims while criticizing holding the 'alleged' perpetrators accountable for their actions is very disturbing. I'm horrified at what has happened to this country under the Bush cabal rule. I had this view of Americans as benevolent, but after 2000, I've been losing my faith in my fellow Americans and am having a hard time wrapping my mind around what we've become (collectively), which is basically a facist, totalitarian dictatorship that is a real threat to other nations.