this isnt about kerry. about joe wilson. but yawl are smart

[seabeyond]

i am too tired to google. if any of this is easy jog n memory can you help. just a sentence, for reminders for me. i don't want it in the general forum and pryin eyes. thanks




1. From his memoir:

"Valerie had nothing to do with the matter... She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip."

yet from the Senate committee report (via Washington Post):

"The report states that a CIA official told the Senate committee that Plame "offered up" Wilson's name for the Niger trip, then on Feb. 12, 2002, sent a memo to a deputy chief in the CIA's Directorate of Operations saying her husband "has good relations with both the PM and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." The next day, the operations official cabled an overseas officer seeking concurrence with the idea of sending Wilson, the report said."

Was that a lie, "seabeyond"?

2. According to Wilson's debriefing after his visit to Niger (he produced no written report, so the debriefing is the only evidence) - Wilson reported that in his conversations with Mayaki, the Prime Minister - Mayaki stated that an Iraqi delegation had visited Niger in 1999 to explore "expanding commercial relations" between Iraq and Niger. Mayaki had met with the Iraqis and later concluded that their request for enhanced trade meant they wanted to discuss purchasing uranium.

Wilson now claims that his trip refuted the "16 words" of Bush's - "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.". Yet his own story told to the CIA after his trip supports that statement. When was he lying - to the debriefers or today? Your choice.

3. From NYT Kristof, reporting on what Wilson told him:

"I'm told by a person involved in the Niger caper that more than a year ago the vice president's office asked for an investigation of the uranium deal, so a former U.S. ambassador to Africa was dispatched to Niger. In February 2002, according to someone present at the meetings, that envoy reported to the C.I.A. and State Department that the information was unequivocally wrong and that the documents had been forged. "

Yet we know that Wilson's trip was eight months before the forgery ever came into the intelligence services' posession. Was Wilson lying to Kristof, or did Kristof lie about what Wilson told him? You tell me, "seabeyond".

4. Pincus, of "Washington Post", reporting on what Wilson told him:

"After returning to the United States, the envoy reported to the CIA that the uranium-purchase story was false, the sources said. Among the envoy's conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because the "dates were wrong and the names were wrong," the former U.S. government official said."

Since again, we know that Wilson's trip was eight months before the "documents" in question were forged, did Wilson lie? Or was it Pincus?

[sandnsea]

1. Let's see

1. A trip to Niger to investigate the uranium situation was under discussion at the CIA. Valerie Plame suggested Wilson, she did not originally propose the trip. She suggested his name AFTER the trips was already planned.

2. I don't remember all the details, but the conclusion was that whatever the Iraqi delegation might have thought in 1999 didn't matter because Niger uranium is too tightly controlled for it to get into the hands of Iraq. The idea that anything had happened "recently" or could be connected seriously to a nuclear weapon threat was thoroughly refuted.

3&4. This is one area where I think Wilson said he may have mixed up when he saw the documents in later comments. I would guess that in order to get the story of the forged documents out, he skirted the truth of when he saw them. I don't think it amounts to a hill of beans difference in comparison to exposing an entire CIA operation in order to hide war lies.

[seabeyond]

2. thanks sandsea. this was totally thrown out off topic

i just did not pay a lot of attention to joe. dont really care about joe. appreciate.

[blm]

3. Another thing to remember is that Pat Roberts PLANTED the antiWilson

talking points into that Senate report - Only 3 POLITICAL HACK senators on the committee would even sign on to that ADDENDUM to the report. Roberts couldn't even get the other Republicans on the committee to sign his lies.

[seabeyond]

4. i fogot about that, thanks n/t

[seabeyond]

5. sandsea, blm..... both of you pivotal in slap down

along with my grace in nonargument, lol lol. i appreciate your help.