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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:45 PM Original message |
Holy Mercury Batman! Re-examining the vaccine-autism controversy |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. I love this line... It explains so much in the Western culture |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
2. K&R -- I see the "every vax is an awesome vax" brigade is unrecking! |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Of course there is... |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Ladies and gentlemen, I present another sad case of |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. What are you blabbering about? |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. 333 |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:30 AM Response to Reply #13 |
58. Why would they unrec a provaccine thread? |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
90. ....and you and others assume |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Why would they unrec it? It's a pro vaccine story. |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Mustn't have vaccine/autism conversations |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Say what? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Why? |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I see you're in the read keywords, check post statistics, express opinion brigade. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Ladies and gentlemen, I present another sad case of |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. Actually that would be someone from the "every vax is evil poison" brigade. |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
94. Don't forget the manufacturers of children's headstones. |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
96. +1 n/t |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 03:44 AM Response to Original message |
6. Ethylmercury = booze is undoubtedly the most amusing Big Pharma lie to this point. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 03:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. You really don't understand even high school chemistry do you? |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 04:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I doubt he read the article |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
59. I can never remember. Is it spelled shill or schill? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. So high school chemistry = ethylmercury is harmless? |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. I doubt you ever took an AP class... |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Yah think? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Actually your statement was ethylmercury=booze. Care to defend that one. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 05:24 AM Response to Reply #34 |
62. The OP made that splendid analogy. Not me. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. No you said the author of the story made that analogy but he clearly did not. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:01 AM Response to Reply #71 |
78. Glad to see you disown the OP's insane analogy. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #78 |
92. Just because you aren't smart enough to understand it doesn't mean it is insane. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #34 |
65. You can lead a conspiracy wacko to scientific literature |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #6 |
66. Wow! Now that some cognitive dissonance. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 04:34 AM Response to Original message |
9. THere is no safe level of mercury. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 04:50 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Its not free mercury |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. There is no safe form of mercury, champ. |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Is that what happens during a vaccination? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:37 AM Response to Reply #27 |
42. Thimerosal is a highly potent neurotoxin. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:08 AM Response to Reply #27 |
55. "Ethyl Mercury can't pass the blood-brain barrier." Oh, really? Are you ignorant or just lying? |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Not really as high as you think, pup |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
43. Thimerosal is a highly potent neurotoxin. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #43 |
100. That you encouraged people to inject themselves with. Why is that if it is so toxic? |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:15 PM Original message |
check out www.iaomt.org |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
44. Thimerosal is a highly potent neurotoxin. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #44 |
101. That you encouraged people to inject themselves with. Why is that if it is so toxic? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Show us the toxicology studies that prove it is a highly potent neurotoxin! |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:41 AM Response to Reply #35 |
45. LOL. Put it on a human nerve cell and watch what happens. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:45 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. If you put a red blood cell in pure water, it will burst. This does not mean that a human will burst |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:58 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. LOL. When will you be videotaping you drinking your shot of thimerosal for youtube? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:59 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I will do that, as soon as you prove that water is not toxic by drinking 50 gallons of it one right |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:02 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. LOL. I'm not asking you to drown in it. Just drink one little shot. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:12 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. You are asking people to take 600,000 times the normal dose. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 05:21 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. There is no normal dose of potent mercury-laden neurotoxin. Just the dose Big Pharma demands of you. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 08:00 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. A drop would be something like 1000 times the amount of thimerosal that's in a vaccine. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. She's gone so far over the edge she doesn't even have the other anti-vaxers backing her up. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 01:58 AM Response to Reply #67 |
77. I'm not the one who compared ethylmercury to ethyl alcohol. That was the insane OP with 7 recs. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #77 |
89. I'm glad you stick around for the comedic effect. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 05:05 AM Response to Reply #89 |
102. . |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
72. If it's indisputable it should be able to be backed up with numerous studies. So back it up! |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 05:06 AM Response to Reply #72 |
85. Here ya go, Dave! |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. I definitely would not encourage RATS to take massive doses of thimerosal. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
15. This is from wiki |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. So, from the information you posted about Ethanol... |
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Ratty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
20. Jesus Christ people, salt is 1/2 chlorine! |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
24. I dare any ethylmercury defender on this thread to drink a shot of thimerosal. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. What kind of vaccine are you taking that it contains 1 oz of thimerosal? |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. 1.5 ounces, actually. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I've done a little research: |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Very good work. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:36 AM Response to Reply #25 |
41. But it's just like booze! See, it's the ethyl vs. the methyl that makes it so safe!!!!!!! |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:42 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Um...no...that isn't the point at all. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:52 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. LOL. How shameless can you get? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:56 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Do you consider water to be toxic? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:00 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. How about if you drink a shot of water? Will you die then? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:09 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. The amount of thimerosal in a vaccine is in micrograms. A shot is around 30 mL |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 05:22 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. OK. Then just put a single drop of straight thimerosal on your tongue. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 07:57 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Again, a "drop" is around .05 mL, so that's .05 grams or 50000 micro grams or 1000 times the dose |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. We use 15 gtts/ml which means 1 drop=0.6666667ml |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. My mind is in titration land where 1 drop is approx. .05 mL |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:04 AM Response to Reply #69 |
79. That's a hell of a drop. Would you be my bartender? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:09 AM Response to Reply #63 |
80. You keep talking about doses as if thimerosal were a medicine. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #61 |
74. Who said the ethyl alcohol and ethyl mercury were the same thing? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 01:53 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. The lying, shilltastic OP |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:38 AM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Your lack of basic reading and logic skills is frightening. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 05:39 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Says the endorser of the transparent, shamelessly deceitful commercial for a deadly poison. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. A deadly poison you encouraged people to inject themselves with. LOL really deadly scary stuff. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 05:07 AM Response to Reply #91 |
103. Healthy adults take risks with different levels of all sorts of poisons every day. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. I encourage people to consider the CDC recommendations and consult with their private physician. |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
33. ain't no such thing as safe mercury. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. What does any of that have to do with this discussion, specifically? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Again someone who doesn't understand the difference between ethyl and methyl. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:04 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Maybe they think it's a typo. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:43 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Yep. Just like booze. How about taking a shot of thimerosal for the cause? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
73. You did recommend that high risk people get the vaccination with the thimerosal, didn't you? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 01:51 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Sure. What does that have to do with an idiotic, OTT OP that compares |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:33 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. How his statement went over your head I have no idea. Try reading it again. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:35 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. So you suggest people inject what you call a highly potent neurotoxin into their bodies. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 05:24 AM Response to Reply #83 |
104. Is this all you have left to defend the indefensible? Really? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Show me the peer reviewed studies about mercury and autism. I'll be waiting. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 05:59 AM Response to Reply #38 |
87. WTF is the difference between the toxicity of ethyl and methyl mecury, Dave? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #87 |
98. The OP pointed out that they are chemically different compounds. Something you don't understand. |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
95. You could be correct.... I found this. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
39. they use Hg cuz it's CHEAP. And they they lie and call it a "silver filling". |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
68. What do amalgam fillings have to do with the OP? n/t |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:10 AM Response to Reply #68 |
81. Fillings are vaccines. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 07:44 AM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Ah, makes perfect anti-vax sense! |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #81 |
97. There is NO safe level of mercury of any kind. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. I just had my H1N1 vaccine with thimerosal about a month ago should I be worried? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-20-09 06:56 AM Response to Reply #97 |
105. Good luck with that, because no matter how hard you try, you'll NEVER avoid it. |
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