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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:26 PM Original message |
Liberals, Leftists and Progressives: Respecting those of Faith |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. Is there no end to the coddling the religionists need? |
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RoBear (781 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Seemingly not... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. how is it coddling to recognize an ally? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Treasure them.. "lift them up as pillars"... "give them a voice"... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. ? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
43. How is that putting words in your mouth? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. erm...they're not my words? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I don't understand what you mean at all. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. oh, never mind. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:05 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. My "victim identity" now? Are you serious? Or are u just making things up? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:08 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. oh, I'm not storming off. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:11 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Well, your diagnosis is more than a bit off the mark. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:21 AM Response to Reply #69 |
79. LOL! |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:22 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Well now you're being disrespectful both of my beliefs... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:24 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. terribly sorry. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:32 AM Response to Reply #84 |
94. Funny how the patriarchal tendencies of the religious and their... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:38 AM Response to Reply #94 |
101. "denigrate FSM"??? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:43 AM Response to Reply #101 |
107. What you so cavalierly dismiss as a mere spoof... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:48 AM Response to Reply #107 |
114. my apologies! |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:51 AM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Really? Which means, in particular? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:55 AM Response to Reply #116 |
124. actually, I just meant DU |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:00 AM Response to Reply #124 |
128. No, no, it's the source of all per-see-cution of christians. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:03 AM Response to Reply #128 |
131. we've now passed the ridiculous |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:05 AM Response to Reply #131 |
133. I can only hope that's not some sort of code, as the OP turned out to be. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:14 AM Response to Reply #133 |
153. no, no code. |
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Mutley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:00 AM Response to Reply #153 |
222. Who is beautiful, BTW. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:01 AM Response to Reply #101 |
227. One person;'s spoof is another person's scientology. eom. |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:31 AM Response to Reply #43 |
141. Possible cross post confusion? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:39 AM Response to Reply #141 |
144. Possible, I suppose, though discussion was still centered on the OP |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:07 AM Response to Reply #144 |
152. Yeah, I recognized it from the OP, but I had to re-read it for context. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Of course. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Smiling and nodding doesn't seem to enough, though. That's the problem. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Here is what I want out of it: |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I find that position horrifying. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. No, I don't. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Well, you've traveled quite a distance from your original post. - n/t |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Yes, well I was hoping... |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Riiight. The decoder ring. I should have checked my decoder ring. |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:57 AM Response to Reply #48 |
175. Ouch. So tell me what you really think. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:39 AM Response to Reply #175 |
236. I don't think you misread this... |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:07 AM Response to Reply #30 |
62. I'll probably be there along with you |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:39 AM Response to Reply #62 |
102. Exactly the point I am trying to make. |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:49 AM Response to Reply #102 |
115. One thing I love about being a democrat |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:59 AM Response to Reply #115 |
127. That is exactly how I view it too. |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:02 AM Response to Reply #127 |
130. Yep |
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JanusAscending (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:54 AM Response to Reply #62 |
149. Someone please explain to me how a person can go on living |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:28 AM Response to Reply #149 |
157. How I go on: |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 08:55 AM Response to Reply #149 |
221. Thinking there is no afterlife makes real life all the more precious |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. "I'd rather have them treat me like a bitch than the Religious Right." |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:06 AM Response to Reply #29 |
59. None of the religious left is anti-gay. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:36 AM Response to Reply #59 |
159. Not in my experience, Telly. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:33 AM Response to Reply #159 |
168. Oh, have you ever heard the line: |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:53 AM Response to Reply #168 |
173. Ugh. Yes. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:06 AM Response to Reply #173 |
215. Heh, we have the same view on abortion. |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:30 AM Response to Reply #168 |
185. A "Christian" actually said that to you? |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:17 AM Response to Reply #185 |
217. Heh, that's them actually trying to be nice. |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:31 AM Response to Reply #168 |
186. A "Christian" actually said that to you? |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:16 AM Response to Reply #159 |
182. Christians who actually "support" gays DO have to swim upstream. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:14 AM Response to Reply #159 |
224. I find that disgusting, and I'm a Christian. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #159 |
231. I'll buy that for the most part. |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:06 AM Response to Reply #29 |
60. I'm on the religious left |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:12 AM Response to Reply #29 |
180. That really creeps me out |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:42 AM Response to Reply #180 |
188. I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion.... |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:48 AM Response to Reply #188 |
191. That's just the way it came across |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:10 AM Response to Reply #191 |
196. Oh, I see what you mean now. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:22 AM Response to Reply #196 |
199. Your interpretation is better than mine |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:26 AM Response to Reply #199 |
201. Ironically, what you would like to see is where this post started.... |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:35 AM Response to Reply #201 |
203. You're right |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 06:37 AM Response to Reply #199 |
213. Tigress DEM understood what I was saying. |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:10 AM Response to Reply #24 |
65. As far as GLBT issues go, your enemy is the fundies, not people of |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:17 AM Response to Reply #65 |
74. I'm not at all certain that's true. |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:18 AM Response to Reply #20 |
229. Good points |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:24 AM Response to Reply #13 |
139. Here is the thing.... |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:36 AM Response to Reply #139 |
143. I agree it doesn't need to be a matter of destroying rights to beliefs.. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:17 AM Response to Reply #143 |
155. I agree with you on those points. |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:21 AM Response to Reply #155 |
166. I like the way you think. (Giggle) |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:05 AM Response to Reply #143 |
164. I'm all for "reason & sound, practicle policies that will make positive, |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:23 AM Response to Reply #139 |
225. I agree. Let me at 'em! |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
285. A guy with a personal problem re: religion sacrifices all the rest. Great |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:11 PM Response to Reply #285 |
291. My, my. The sexual imagery once again. |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:20 PM Response to Reply #291 |
293. "Once again"? You see both prayer and porn everywhere. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:24 PM Response to Reply #293 |
295. Do you just cut and paste the same tiresome posts over and over again? |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:30 PM Response to Reply #295 |
299. Oh, my, the guy who can't buy himself a new topic complains of repeats. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:37 PM Response to Reply #299 |
303. Ha ha ha! Well-written, if wide of the mark! |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:41 PM Response to Reply #303 |
305. Sorry, fundamentalists of all types not welcome. Go away. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:55 PM Response to Reply #305 |
309. You flatter yourself, if you actually believe that your... |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:02 PM Response to Reply #309 |
312. The guy who demands the end to god talk says I don't want to hear things. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:17 PM Response to Reply #312 |
316. Try as you might to mis-characterize who and what I am... |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:29 PM Response to Reply #316 |
321. Nothing about the rules. Just about the truth and how you don't fit in. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:30 PM Response to Reply #321 |
322. You reach some pretty wild conclusions about me... |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:34 PM Response to Reply #322 |
324. I just read your posts. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:45 PM Response to Reply #324 |
329. No, I assume you're not a very clear thinker. I assume that... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:31 AM Response to Reply #329 |
346. Here, Zenlightened. |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:49 AM Response to Reply #329 |
349. "Others"? You mean, it's not just you? Wrong again. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:00 AM Response to Reply #349 |
351. Here here ! |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:43 PM Response to Reply #349 |
358. And again, you project your own shortcomings... |
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KitchenWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
142. Not to mention RevCheesehead |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Think of it... |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Frankly, it seems to me that religion is rotting from the inside ... |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. You can't be a politician and a person of faith. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. 98% gobbledyguck, in my view. "God's word"... god's glory"... |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. I think more religious people need to hear that many of us |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. I think the time is right for a backlash against religious superstition. |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:12 AM Response to Reply #42 |
70. So you want to take away part of my first amendment right? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:18 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Yes, that's exactly what I said. |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:33 AM Response to Reply #76 |
95. Here's what you said |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:39 AM Response to Reply #95 |
103. And you immediately assume that translates as "shred the... |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:51 AM Response to Reply #103 |
117. Well gee look at some of the comments on this thread |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:52 AM Response to Reply #117 |
119. In what I would consider a perfect political climate... |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:01 AM Response to Reply #42 |
129. Not very Zen or Enlightened of you to say this. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:15 AM Response to Reply #129 |
137. Ah, the riff on my username. Haven't had that in a while. |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:45 AM Response to Reply #137 |
162. Hmmm, let's say more tolerance in general. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:07 PM Response to Reply #162 |
289. Yes, that's pretty close. |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:41 AM Response to Reply #35 |
170. As the token Christian on the board... I hear you. |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:11 AM Response to Reply #22 |
68. That's not true |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
66. So I'm only useful to you? |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
85. Damn, Meldread, now you're worrying me. |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:03 AM Response to Reply #85 |
193. OMIGOD! You're Gay! Why don't people tell me these things? |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 06:55 AM Response to Reply #85 |
214. Yeah, I know how it sounded. |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. We have that FSM on our minivan! |
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AnotherMother4Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
54. Why do you say this? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:07 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Read the rest of the thread for elaboration. n/t |
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AnotherMother4Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:23 AM Response to Reply #61 |
82. I read it & you said I need to be coddled & spoon fed bananas |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:27 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. A more careful reading will show that my statements were to say... |
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AnotherMother4Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:30 AM Response to Reply #87 |
91. It doesn't matter if you admire it or not - It's someone's belief |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:34 AM Response to Reply #91 |
96. Uh, yeh. Not so much. |
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AnotherMother4Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:44 AM Response to Reply #96 |
111. As a relatively new person here, is this what you call a "flaming" thread |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:46 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. I don't know. What do you think? |
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AnotherMother4Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:52 AM Original message |
Good question. I think this thread would generate a good discussion |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
122. I think it has. |
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AnotherMother4Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:28 AM Response to Reply #122 |
140. Last tag & and God bless |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
113. How is behaving in a respectful manner coddling? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:57 AM Response to Reply #113 |
125. Define "respect." That seems to be one of the major sticking points. |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:58 AM Response to Reply #125 |
150. There are many levels of respect. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:29 AM Response to Reply #113 |
158. ...and how many people heard about that? |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:16 AM Response to Reply #158 |
197. Well, half a million people were there Saturday 9/24... |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 06:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
212. As a Christian |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:25 PM Response to Reply #212 |
241. Who are you? |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
228. What is your definition of a "religionist"? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:28 PM Response to Reply #228 |
242. A distinction between you and Pat Robertson? I dunno... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
251. So religious tolerance is akin to "coddling?" |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:42 PM Response to Reply #251 |
256. Interesting reasoning, if I may call it that. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:59 PM Response to Reply #256 |
259. Which part of the OP goes beyond tolerance? I read it and did not get |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 08:09 PM Response to Reply #259 |
260. Well, the OP advoctaes that we regard religious lefties as "treasures"... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 08:19 PM Response to Reply #260 |
261. So much for an interesting insult. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 08:38 PM Response to Reply #261 |
266. That sounds reasonable on its face. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 08:41 PM Response to Reply #266 |
268. How about using the 'faith' of the founding fathers in certain concrete |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:07 PM Response to Reply #268 |
273. The founding fathers were right about the separation of church and state |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 08:51 PM Response to Reply #266 |
269. Actually your reply sounds reasonable on it's face, but it ignores the |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:03 PM Response to Reply #269 |
272. I'm not at all convinced that attempting to wrest the god-card... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:16 PM Response to Reply #272 |
276. I am confident we can and should rip the God card from the Right Wing |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:58 PM Response to Reply #276 |
311. I think you're stunningly wrong, in so many ways. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:25 PM Response to Reply #311 |
319. Well do you have some polls that show the majority of Americans |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:28 PM Response to Reply #319 |
320. Where did I refer to polls about belief in god? Where did I... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:36 PM Response to Reply #320 |
325. You did not say that the majority of Americans don't believe in God. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:43 PM Response to Reply #325 |
327. Well, now it feels like you're just shifting the goalposts. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:51 PM Response to Reply #327 |
330. I did not think my tone was nasty? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:27 PM Response to Reply #266 |
280. Ha! Exactly. |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:57 PM Response to Reply #251 |
288. The flip side of the coin of the fundie statements on tolerance |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
2. . |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
4. There's a line between respecting them |
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foreigncorrespondent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
78. Exactly!!! |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
83. And some of those "line-crossers" are in your camp as well. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:44 AM Response to Reply #83 |
109. Well, don't keep us in suspense. Tell us who it is! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 08:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
262. That goes both ways frankly. |
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RoBear (781 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
6. How about respecting my NON belief???? |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. .. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I suspect that that's because |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Well, I have to agree with that. |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
200. OK - what do you NON Belief in? JK |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
252. As a Democrat who believes in a seperation of church/state, I couldn't |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
7. I have no problem with people of religious faith, just don't shove it |
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noahmijo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. ::Knock Knock::: Yes hello there sir or madam I am with the church of |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Whatever form it takes, just leave me out of it! |
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Protagoras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
40. Matthew 6:5-6 |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
11. the problem is not the monopoly of the religious right |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. I, recently graduated with a law degree, would love .. |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. it will happen in time due to an historical process |
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noahmijo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
15. You judge a tree by the fruit it bears |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
16. I respect people who earn it. |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Hey, whatever. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. "keep your opinion of my being crazy to yourself" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Um... "sparky," you seem to be missing the point. |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:04 AM Response to Reply #46 |
177. The difference between you and a liberal person of faith is that |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:20 PM Response to Reply #177 |
240. I "preach my beliefs all the time"? |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:22 AM Response to Reply #36 |
80. Apparently over 300 million materialistic people didn't get your memo. |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
50. If we're in a conversation ... |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. You can be critical of my opinion, but I can't of yours? |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:00 AM Response to Reply #33 |
55. Like I said, "Enjoy your path!" |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
25. Meldread: "we fail to see the treasure that is the Religious Left" |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. All I'm saying is we fight fire with fire. |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. No. Religion has no right to inject itself into politics |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:51 AM Response to Reply #32 |
172. you are totally right. nt |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:27 AM Response to Reply #32 |
345. Exactly right. They interject religion into their politics and WE have a |
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Not_Giving_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
37. I don't attack people for their faith |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:10 AM Response to Reply #37 |
67. I have NEVER tried to push my belief system off on someone else. |
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Qibing Zero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:33 AM Response to Reply #37 |
219. "I don't attack people for their faith" |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
44. My faith is more than strong enough to survive without social crutches. |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:12 AM Response to Reply #44 |
71. I agree, TahitiNut. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
45. Since you've given this a lot of thought... |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:16 AM Response to Reply #45 |
73. As a PFLAGer, I am truly sorry that you have been hurt. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:43 AM Response to Reply #73 |
108. I appreciate that, Maat, thank you. |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 06:19 PM Response to Reply #108 |
245. Take care (n/t)! |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:29 AM Response to Reply #45 |
90. Simple answers. |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:36 AM Response to Reply #90 |
98. And how do you think |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:54 AM Response to Reply #98 |
123. I don't hate you. |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:04 AM Response to Reply #123 |
132. The fundies in my opinion are just selfish |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:54 AM Response to Reply #45 |
174. I say you attack THEIR faith. |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
52. From a liberal Christian |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:18 AM Response to Reply #52 |
77. You belong here. |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:37 AM Response to Reply #77 |
100. Boy sure doesn't feel like it a lot |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 06:53 PM Response to Reply #100 |
248. Sounds like you have many interesting things to say. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:05 AM Response to Reply #52 |
332. You have a lot of company |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
56. The hatefulness of this thread is amazing |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
57. It is NOT the 'religious right' - it is the 'Religious REICH' |
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foreigncorrespondent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
64. Sorry!!! |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:25 AM Response to Reply #64 |
86. This PFLAGer certainly supports you. |
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foreigncorrespondent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:44 AM Response to Reply #86 |
110. Maat... |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 06:35 PM Response to Reply #110 |
246. I hear you. |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:41 AM Response to Reply #64 |
105. If anyone on this board compared gays to criminals.... |
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foreigncorrespondent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:52 AM Response to Reply #105 |
118. Unfortunately... |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:53 AM Response to Reply #105 |
121. Exactly! |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
72. Live and Let Live is my motto. |
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Maraya1969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
75. When the Jews and the Muslims and the Wiccans and every religion |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:28 AM Response to Reply #75 |
88. Yes, that happens to me. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:23 AM Response to Reply #75 |
138. When I say "people of faith" I mean it. |
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Maraya1969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #138 |
237. They are the loudest for sure but they are not the fastest growing |
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Yollam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
89. If I was a believer in say, astrology or tarot cards... |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:00 AM Response to Reply #89 |
176. Glad you called atheists a "religious group" |
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Yollam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:37 AM Response to Reply #176 |
187. Of course it's tolerant. |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:45 AM Response to Reply #187 |
190. No generally athiests don't do that. |
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Yollam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:54 AM Response to Reply #190 |
192. I don't think religious people are crazy. |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:03 AM Response to Reply #192 |
194. Well I think we have found common ground. |
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Yollam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:09 AM Response to Reply #194 |
195. Problem is a lot of people who don't profess to be fundies or evangelicals |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 01:59 AM Response to Reply #195 |
341. Most of those guys are dominionists. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
92. We should acknowledge that nothing good comes from religion. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:36 AM Response to Reply #92 |
99. School of the Americas Watch |
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Qibing Zero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:48 AM Response to Reply #99 |
207. His point is, |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:41 AM Response to Reply #92 |
104. You don't know that do you? |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:53 AM Response to Reply #104 |
120. I don't claim absolute knowledge. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:03 AM Response to Reply #92 |
352. Do you are make a distinction between religion and faith/spirituality? |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #92 |
359. While acknowledging that good comes from religious people |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
93. In other words "You Atheists can go fuck yourselves". |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:39 AM Response to Reply #93 |
160. Don't be silly. |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:53 AM Response to Reply #160 |
226. I'm not being "silly", I'm deadly serious. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
97. We're a dog-eat-dog society. What is the point OF respect? |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:44 AM Response to Reply #97 |
161. I should have so dropped the word respect and used... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
106. Can you please provide some linkage to back up this |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:52 AM Response to Reply #106 |
163. Easy. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:54 PM Response to Reply #163 |
243. I guess you missed where I used the word "some" |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
126. I am a religious person. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:52 PM Response to Reply #126 |
307. "We have far more important things to occupy our time with than quarreling |
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libodem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
134. key word 'respecting' |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
135. Thanks for your kindness, tolerance and bravery. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:09 AM Response to Original message |
136. Seems to me that anyone who's actually read the Gospels |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:47 AM Response to Reply #136 |
147. Yep |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:02 AM Response to Reply #147 |
151. I lump all the Republicans together because they vote in blocks |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
145. Lot of posts about how "wounded and defensive" liberal Christians are... |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:51 AM Response to Reply #145 |
148. Atheists: Shut up and go away: |
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Qibing Zero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:19 AM Response to Reply #145 |
198. Oh just great fun here |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:56 PM Response to Reply #145 |
244. Oh, yeah, the Ayn Rand fan club here is just fucking HUGE. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
146. Respect is something that should be earned and cuts both ways... |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
154. I am not anti-christian or anti-religion. . . |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
156. I'm torn; we need 'em, but they make US the world's laughingstock |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:29 AM Response to Reply #156 |
167. I understand what you mean. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:10 AM Response to Reply #167 |
179. It's just that the religion requires them to convert heathens... |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:12 AM Response to Reply #156 |
181. And they are tired of you living in a fantasy land and scoffing at fact |
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DanCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:11 AM Response to Original message |
165. No one here has ever insulted me about going to church |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:40 AM Response to Reply #165 |
169. You are going straight to H-E-Double Hockey Sticks! |
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DanCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:45 AM Response to Reply #169 |
171. Me bruce springteen jimmy carter |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:42 AM Response to Reply #171 |
189. I know, really. |
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nemo137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:06 AM Response to Original message |
178. A couple thoughts. |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:19 AM Response to Reply #178 |
183. YES! Atheists can and do preach too. |
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Yollam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:33 AM Response to Reply #183 |
202. Atheists talk about why they are atheist,they generally don't proselytize. |
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Qibing Zero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:41 AM Response to Reply #202 |
205. I don't know though... |
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Yollam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:47 AM Response to Reply #205 |
206. I was raised in a very non-religious home... |
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Qibing Zero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:57 AM Response to Reply #206 |
210. Oh it definitely is natural. |
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Qibing Zero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:38 AM Response to Reply #183 |
204. Preach what, exactly? |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:50 AM Response to Reply #178 |
208. It's what I've been trying to say, kinda. |
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Qibing Zero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:17 AM Response to Reply #208 |
216. I can deal with the personal persecution... |
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nemo137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:01 PM Response to Reply #208 |
249. I appreciate your candor, and your flexibility. |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #249 |
258. Very well-articulated, Nemo137! |
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nemo137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:24 PM Response to Reply #258 |
279. I think they're'll be more of us in the future. |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:48 AM Response to Reply #279 |
339. Yep (n/t). |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:40 AM Response to Reply #249 |
342. We will, someday soon. |
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Peter Frank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:25 AM Response to Original message |
184. self edit... |
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Qibing Zero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:51 AM Response to Original message |
209. Faith is the abandonment of reason. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 06:10 AM Response to Reply #209 |
211. Of course it is. |
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Qibing Zero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:26 AM Response to Reply #211 |
218. It's really not a personal thing. |
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the other one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
220. Respectful the faithful, hate the concept |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:10 AM Response to Reply #220 |
223. You said it. |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:41 PM Response to Reply #223 |
255. I beg to differ. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
230. It's a Catch-22 of monumental proportions. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
232. Catch-22 |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
233. Zippidy doo dah |
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(1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
234. This is a time of great flux |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
235. This is a double edged sword...While those of the "Religious Right" |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:34 PM Response to Reply #235 |
254. I agree with you. |
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iamahaingttta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
238. "Not all people of faith are bad people." |
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nemo137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 06:37 PM Response to Reply #238 |
247. Not a rational thinking adult person, Not to be trusted. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
239. I don't feel persecuted, and I don't recall ever claiming "persecution," |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:28 PM Response to Reply #239 |
253. Just saw this - very well put! |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 08:35 PM Response to Reply #253 |
265. Funny, though, I've never been proseltyzed by an Atheist. |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:50 AM Response to Reply #265 |
340. Believe or not, no one has tried to persuade me one way or another. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 08:34 PM Response to Reply #239 |
264. Here's another thought experiment: |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:22 PM Response to Reply #264 |
317. No, but when you dismiss people's profound and life-changing |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:57 AM Response to Reply #317 |
343. Dismiss people's profound and life changing experiences? I'm a Deadhead. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
250. Thank YOU. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR., PAUL WELLSTONE, JOHN CONYERS, |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 08:30 PM Response to Reply #250 |
263. Again, please provide a link. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 08:40 PM Response to Reply #263 |
267. Anyone who hasn't seen statements calling those who believe in God |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 08:51 PM Response to Reply #267 |
270. Sorry, I continue to think it's a saw. Like "liberals are banning |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:00 PM Response to Reply #270 |
271. Not happening ey? It took me 30 seconds to find this: |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:09 PM Response to Reply #271 |
274. It took me 10 seconds to find this |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:19 PM Response to Reply #274 |
277. When all else fails - post something stupid. |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:20 PM Response to Reply #277 |
278. It was just as relevant as what you posted. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:38 PM Response to Reply #278 |
284. Some how I don't personally equate calling Christians, murderers to |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:53 PM Response to Reply #284 |
287. Let me try to simplify this for you |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:10 PM Response to Reply #287 |
290. Ah, so Christians only have a morbid fascination with death and torture. |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:17 PM Response to Reply #290 |
292. The words "all Christians are murderers" are not in it either |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:26 PM Response to Reply #292 |
297. Yeah, all that was said was Christians cant get enough of torture & death. |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:58 PM Response to Reply #297 |
310. . |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:23 PM Response to Reply #310 |
318. Ah, there is the "ignorant" cop out/claim. |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:45 PM Response to Reply #318 |
328. Wow. An airline pilot proved god's existence! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:54 PM Response to Reply #328 |
331. You mean various physisists prove God's existence to their own |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:34 AM Response to Reply #297 |
336. You even quote the distinction being made. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:36 AM Response to Reply #336 |
347. Perhaps you can share the distinction between "Christian" and Christian. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:31 AM Response to Reply #284 |
335. "Christians", not Christians. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:47 AM Response to Reply #335 |
348. "Bullshit" |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:11 PM Response to Reply #271 |
275. Well, I guarantee you I'm not going to ring your doorbell |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:34 PM Response to Reply #275 |
282. "To be fair" many people of varied beliefs have committed crimes |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:37 PM Response to Reply #282 |
283. The remarks had to do with what the cross stood for. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:43 PM Response to Reply #283 |
286. Bologna. More back peddling. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:04 PM Response to Reply #286 |
313. Self Delete |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:07 PM Response to Reply #313 |
314. Edit: You know what? On that post, you're right. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:33 PM Response to Reply #314 |
323. Thank you. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:36 AM Response to Reply #314 |
337. I disagree, because of the use of quotation marks. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:54 AM Response to Reply #337 |
350. How bout this remark: Christians have a morbid fascination with death and |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:11 AM Response to Reply #350 |
353. How is that a bigoted statement? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:14 AM Response to Reply #353 |
354. I do deny the cross is a symbol of death and torture for most, yes. |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:38 AM Response to Reply #354 |
355. Where does the Christian symbol of a cross come from? |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:23 PM Response to Reply #355 |
356. That's not the whole story. You skipped the final chapters. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #356 |
360. He also skipped the fact that Jesus did not invent the cross. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:43 PM Response to Reply #355 |
357. That symbol came from the Roman empire. |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #357 |
361. Christians use it as their primary symbol |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 01:20 PM Response to Reply #361 |
362. *deleted* |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 01:23 PM Response to Reply #362 |
363. I said at the beginning that I was talking about the Christian Cross |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #363 |
365. The Cross has many origins. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 01:26 PM Response to Reply #361 |
364. Bullshit. You don't get to define when/why "they" use this symbol. |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 01:39 PM Response to Reply #364 |
366. So where does the Christian cross come from if it isn't from the |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 01:51 PM Response to Reply #366 |
367. Check religious tolerance.org. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:28 AM Response to Reply #271 |
333. "Christians". In quotes. Seems you're reaching. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:31 AM Response to Reply #333 |
334. Quotes? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:41 AM Response to Reply #334 |
338. What, you haven't seen Christians here use that same convention? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:12 AM Response to Reply #338 |
344. Nice try. |
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nemo137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:09 PM Response to Reply #263 |
315. Post #238, this very thread. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:41 PM Response to Reply #315 |
326. Thank you. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
257. I am required to respect the person, NOT the belief. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
281. I think the problem some (certainly not all) believers here have |
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nemo137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:23 PM Response to Reply #281 |
294. I've never seen a believer on DU feeling disrespected by a declaration |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:29 PM Response to Reply #294 |
298. I agree. |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:25 PM Response to Reply #281 |
296. Except its not true. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:30 PM Response to Reply #296 |
300. Yes indeed. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:34 PM Response to Reply #296 |
301. Virtually every statement you make is "weak, cheap... |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:34 PM Response to Reply #301 |
302. Nope. But thanks for checking in. nt |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:39 PM Response to Reply #302 |
304. By all means. |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:42 PM Response to Reply #304 |
306. I can envision the pipe and elbow patches now. I'm sure. nt |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 10:53 PM Response to Reply #306 |
308. You forgot the fuzzy bunny slippers. |
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Goldensilence (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 02:43 PM Response to Reply #308 |
368. wait... |
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369. Locking |
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