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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 03:29 PM Original message |
An answer to chummer: no, Carl Sagan did NOT die believing in God |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think it's standard operating procedure for the religionists... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 03:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. And a good argument that getting religion may reflect some sort of |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
3. Beware of the freep. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
4. Deleted message |
Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 03:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. LOL! |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Yeah, that is a reasonable request |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 03:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. "Tell the world no light, no tunnel, I'm still an atheist! And, oh yeah.. |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. LOL |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 08:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
48. How about "They don't have Republicans in Heaven"? |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 03:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Wow. That surely is NOT just a river in Egypt... (nt) |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 03:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. too funny |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 03:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. I personally keep a set of written papers and... |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. So much for the respect of Marriage, |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 04:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Yes, he left one to address just this very issue |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 07:03 AM Response to Reply #13 |
59. I love Calvin and Hobbes! |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 04:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Then man believed in science, |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 04:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Great answer! |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 04:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Yes, because surely anyone who didn't explicitly remind us |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
24. Help Who?... Oh, wait. |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 04:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. The Chum Bucket is EMPTY! |
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yankeedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Cleanup on aisle 6 |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 06:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. I'm tellin ya, they're pissed about gas prices. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 06:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. I think this proves that evidence doesnt concern believers. EOM |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
16. Carl Sagan's wife's article about her husband's death: link |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 04:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. A truly moving eulogy. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 05:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. I dunno 'bout that. Theres some purty big words in there. |
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AliceWonderland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 04:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I've read her account |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
18. the DU link below discusses Sagan's religion |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 04:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I generally avoid posting in Religion & Theology... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 09:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
49. Yes |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. That's a whoop-ass article you wrote, sir. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 05:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Zenlitened's comment "religion has harmed science in the past"isn't denied |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 05:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. You flatter yourself. And manage to illustrate... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 05:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. smile now - silence is not acceptance? We have to get a rules book |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 06:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Yes, we don't agree with you. Or should I say we don't agree with... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 06:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Oh Commie friend - now find the other 4 sources - indeed McKim took |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 06:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. With reasoning like that... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 08:18 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. :-) |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 06:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. I'm not sure what you're saying.... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 08:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. No - but your own standards do not seem to require you to footnote |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 08:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. A poster DID ask for a link. |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 09:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. I don't give a damn if anyone asked for a link |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 07:07 AM Response to Reply #51 |
60. Here I agree that the post was not footnoted for a major reference - |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 06:57 AM Response to Reply #47 |
57. :-) I like the phrase! but please check "credibility" definition |
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Bat Boy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 09:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Dude...If I were the original author.... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 07:09 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Love the phrase - and the bright line distinction |
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 09:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
55. There are rules about this but - they have been disregarded before |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 07:10 AM Response to Reply #55 |
62. The rules - the DU rules - were followed |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 07:43 AM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Rule number 4, about Copyright |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 08:00 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. copy-and-paste entire articles - 6000 words - were not posted |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 08:05 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. No, because you'll ignore my points, like you just did |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 08:16 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. 2 paragraphs from copyrighted material - yep shamelessly - |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-05 09:01 PM Response to Reply #73 |
93. From the detailed rules listing |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 09:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
50. The other source you stole from is David Menton |
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 09:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Plagiarism seems abounding here |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 07:20 AM Response to Reply #50 |
63. Excellent ! - I could not find all that I had done as I had put it all |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 07:50 AM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Why edit it when you make it even more inaccurate by doing so? |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 08:08 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. We disagree as to making false claims - there were none |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 08:59 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. You said 'Sagan also stated that "Religion Opposes Scientific Advancement" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 09:45 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Deleted message |
muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 09:51 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Go on then, prove that quote (n/t) |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
22. To the poster who asked previously if religious people are threatened |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 05:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. ?? - or vice versa ??? :-) |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 06:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Yeah, that's why I'm spreading a baseless rumor about how |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 08:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. He did! WOW - By the way - where is the Sagan rumor being spread |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 08:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Yes. She was woefully uninformed, refused to accept truth when presented |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 06:55 AM Response to Reply #46 |
56. :-) Well the truth has won- Sagan died an Atheist- but papau says atheism |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 06:58 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Are those your own words, papau |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 07:28 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. They are made my words by my posting them dear lady - and best to |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 07:36 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. “Why talk to the monkey when you can talk to the organ grinder?" |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 07:52 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. To the extent that it is a large part of what I say- of course I will - to |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 05:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
92. Four score and seven years ago |
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Discord (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 07:39 AM Response to Reply #29 |
66. We have no "faith" requirement. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 07:54 AM Response to Reply #66 |
72. Do you have faith that there is no God? |
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Discord (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 08:20 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Absolutely NOT! |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 09:38 AM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Yet you know without proof - is that not faith? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 09:01 AM Response to Reply #72 |
83. Do you have FAITH there are no invisible gremlins in your basement? |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 09:39 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. That which be proven - or disproven - are "truth" based on that fact -but |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. My Jesuit teachers gave me this |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Please answer me: do you have FAITH that there are no |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-05 11:13 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. no answer for you |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
39. I believe he had a very special |
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AtTheEndOfTheDay (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
40. I understand Mortimer Adler converted to Catholicism |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 08:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. In 1983 Dr. Adler formally converted to Christianity - not a near death |
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BillZBubb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
43. Alas, poor Chummer, I knew him... |
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Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-05 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
53. Oh please, the fundies say the same thing about Darwin... |
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Discord (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 07:45 AM Response to Reply #53 |
69. Its that fascination with death I tell ya. |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
67. Thanks for posting this. I've also read Sagan's last book |
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minerva50 (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
78. In my own family, we had a rather sad "deathbed conversion" |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 08:36 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Just a hunch -- maybe he did that to comfort his family? |
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minerva50 (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 08:47 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Could be, thank you, but I don't think he was that rational |
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Discord (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 08:56 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Sounds like he did it for the families benifit, more so than his own. |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
84. I thought that was a given |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-05 11:47 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. A fundie troll, of course. |
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