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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 10:20 AM Original message |
Help me out here, believers... |
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tuvor
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Fri Mar-04-05 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
1. I'll suggest that the line is drawn by the golden rule. |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 10:26 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It's tough to apply that here, though. |
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tuvor
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Fri Mar-04-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
52. You may not have a god, but you have beliefs. |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:07 PM Response to Reply #52 |
68. They're my beliefs, so they are important to me, yes. |
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tuvor
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Fri Mar-04-05 09:08 PM Response to Reply #68 |
93. No one should react strongly to mere questions about their faith/belief. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Fri Mar-04-05 06:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
66. but the Golden Rule doesn't say anything about a god... |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:09 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Sure, it predates the monotheistic religions by centuries. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:39 PM Response to Reply #69 |
82. ok, now I understand |
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Kire
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Sat Mar-05-05 08:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
151. What, pray-tell, do you get offended by? |
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Tux
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Fri Mar-04-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. As Buddha said |
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Modem Butterfly
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. I don't think words can hurt |
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imenja
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Fri Mar-04-05 05:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
53. words most certainly do hurt |
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Modem Butterfly
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Fri Mar-04-05 06:08 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. That's why I qualified my statement |
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Hoping4Change
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Fri Mar-04-05 09:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
99. I would say get over it. A professor of mine used to say beware |
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imenja
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Sat Mar-05-05 01:06 AM Response to Reply #99 |
110. What???? |
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The White Tree
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Fri Mar-04-05 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
3. I would draw the line at treating peoples beliefs with respect |
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YankeyMCC
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Fri Mar-04-05 10:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Is attacking or challenging the religious organization |
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Modem Butterfly
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Fri Mar-04-05 02:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Theists are like anyone else |
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arwalden
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. In Their Worldview... Everyone Should Just KNOW... |
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The White Tree
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Sat Mar-05-05 12:34 AM Response to Reply #4 |
109. No, I don't think it is. |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 11:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Thanks for your input. |
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Fri Mar-04-05 12:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Deleted message |
Modem Butterfly
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Fri Mar-04-05 01:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. If you find something insensitive, perhaps you should actually say so |
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kwassa
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Fri Mar-04-05 02:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I will respond to you directly next time. |
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Modem Butterfly
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Fri Mar-04-05 02:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Thank-you |
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Stunster
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Fri Mar-04-05 02:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Fairy tales, Santa Claus, invisible pink dragons, etc |
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Modem Butterfly
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Fri Mar-04-05 02:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Santa Claus, invisible pink unicorns, and other fairy tales |
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Lerkfish
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. The fact that you think "invisible pink unicorn" is neutral... |
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Modem Butterfly
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Well, it seems to work better than... |
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Stunster
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Exactamundo (n/t) |
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Dookus
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Fri Mar-04-05 02:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I don't think |
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Lerkfish
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. hm...where to start? |
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Dookus
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Well |
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kwassa
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
83. Who exactly is being silent? |
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Dookus
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:57 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. I reject your religious beliefs |
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kwassa
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Sat Mar-05-05 12:07 PM Response to Reply #84 |
121. You are alienating leftist Christians by your attacks on religion |
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Dookus
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Sat Mar-05-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #121 |
133. What people have I attacked here? |
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kwassa
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Sat Mar-05-05 04:19 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. you misunderstand |
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Dookus
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Sat Mar-05-05 04:32 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. And christianity's hostility |
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Dookus
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Sat Mar-05-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #134 |
138. more... |
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kwassa
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Sat Mar-05-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Actually, no |
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Dookus
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Sat Mar-05-05 05:10 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. I don't believe you |
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kwassa
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Sat Mar-05-05 06:03 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. well .... |
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Dookus
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Sat Mar-05-05 06:08 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. Why presume I don't understand the church well? |
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kwassa
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Sat Mar-05-05 06:24 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. I thought some your comments overly broad |
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Dookus
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Sat Mar-05-05 06:42 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. My dislike of the church |
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The White Tree
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Sat Mar-05-05 12:10 AM Response to Reply #19 |
107. Whats a huge number of Catholics? |
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Dookus
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Sat Mar-05-05 02:17 AM Response to Reply #107 |
113. Thanks |
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The White Tree
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Sat Mar-05-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #113 |
119. Well there is always hope. |
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Stunster
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. When atheists ruled the USSR, China, and Eastern Europe |
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Dookus
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Your ridiculous assertions |
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Stunster
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. They haven't been debunked |
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Lerkfish
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. you consider someone's religion unimportant. |
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Dookus
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I'm not at all surprised my views |
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Lerkfish
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Fri Mar-04-05 04:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. fair enough, its a semantic argument now... |
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Dookus
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Fri Mar-04-05 04:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I didn't say I was insulted... |
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Lerkfish
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Fri Mar-04-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. who started this thread? |
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Dookus
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Fri Mar-04-05 04:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. What's that got to do with anything? |
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Modem Butterfly
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Fri Mar-04-05 04:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. That's the crux of the matter |
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Lerkfish
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Fri Mar-04-05 05:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. you stated: |
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Dookus
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Fri Mar-04-05 05:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. the OP asked a question |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. It's all relative. |
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Lerkfish
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. if you have contempt, or consider yourself superior, or the other person |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Could you try to answer the questions I asked? |
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Lerkfish
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Fri Mar-04-05 04:05 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. I thought I DID answer your question. |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 04:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I think it's one and the same question. |
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Lerkfish
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Fri Mar-04-05 04:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I don't. |
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Dookus
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Fri Mar-04-05 04:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Seriously? |
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Lerkfish
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Fri Mar-04-05 05:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. yes, I'm equally offended by christian evangelism. |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 04:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. So you wouldn't rescue your child then? |
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Lerkfish
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Fri Mar-04-05 05:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. you do a lot of assuming. |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 05:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. I'm just asking questions. |
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Lerkfish
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Sat Mar-05-05 08:39 AM Response to Reply #49 |
115. self-deleted |
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kwassa
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
79. Now, why was my post deleted? What rule did I violate? Responding? |
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The White Tree
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Sat Mar-05-05 01:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
112. Regarding your questions/comments. |
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Modem Butterfly
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Fri Mar-04-05 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
5. Good post |
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Lerkfish
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Fri Mar-04-05 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
13. Lerk's rule of yardsticks |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Your yardstick theory is all fine and good. |
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Modem Butterfly
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Fri Mar-04-05 03:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. How about staying out of the yardstick store if you're uncomfortable... |
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CindyDale
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Sat Mar-05-05 01:43 AM Response to Reply #13 |
111. Love your rule! Thanks for posting it. |
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Fri Mar-04-05 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
47. Have you ever read any "life after death" books. I was religious before |
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Fri Mar-04-05 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
50. It's all about Style |
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Stunster
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Fri Mar-04-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Yup |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
67. I think one of the things that makes America so great... |
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supernova
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Fri Mar-04-05 08:09 PM Response to Reply #67 |
85. That's not entirely true |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 09:41 PM Response to Reply #85 |
96. Not when you spin it differently, no. |
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Fri Mar-04-05 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
51. Perhaps you can explain to me your reasons for criticizing religion? |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 06:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Look for Dookus' post above. |
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:20 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. I do not tell you what to believe |
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:33 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Help me understand here. |
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Fri Mar-04-05 08:21 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. I do not believe they are the same |
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Fri Mar-04-05 09:35 PM Response to Reply #86 |
95. I am *not* saying your views are like Jerry Falwell's. |
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Fri Mar-04-05 11:12 PM Response to Reply #95 |
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Sat Mar-05-05 09:22 AM Response to Reply #103 |
116. I do not doubt that you have refined your beliefs... |
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Sat Mar-05-05 01:24 PM Response to Reply #116 |
122. religion is a complex issue |
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Sat Mar-05-05 02:21 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. I can appreciate your opinion. |
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Sat Mar-05-05 02:28 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Here is how I understood your remarks |
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Sat Mar-05-05 02:33 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Stop. Wrong. |
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Sat Mar-05-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. see my other post |
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trotsky
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Sat Mar-05-05 03:24 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. I did, and they don't support what you accuse me of. n/t |
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Sat Mar-05-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #116 |
123. and whether you say you equate me with Falwell |
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Sat Mar-05-05 02:27 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. I've read them. |
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Sat Mar-05-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #125 |
128. Falwell and "Chimpy" |
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trotsky
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Sat Mar-05-05 03:23 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. It is precisely religious beliefs that brings these things about. |
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Sat Mar-05-05 04:36 PM Response to Reply #130 |
136. Religion and intolerance |
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Sat Mar-05-05 06:05 PM Response to Reply #136 |
142. nice post! |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Fri Mar-04-05 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
54. Okay, let me try |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 06:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. I understand your analogies. |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:10 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. My political analogy was an attempt to explain that |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:14 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Thank you, Lydia. |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Sat Mar-05-05 12:16 AM Response to Reply #73 |
108. Another analogy |
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Fri Mar-04-05 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
57. If it isn't too presumptive of me... |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 06:48 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. Good advice. |
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Fri Mar-04-05 11:23 PM Response to Reply #63 |
104. Walling off areas of thought. |
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MadisonProgressive
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Fri Mar-04-05 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
58. I would prefer people keeping their religious beliefs to themselves |
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Fri Mar-04-05 06:38 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Even here? |
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MadisonProgressive
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Fri Mar-04-05 10:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
100. Sorry |
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Fri Mar-04-05 11:59 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. That's cool! |
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Fri Mar-04-05 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
59. Only me here |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 06:51 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Do you think some religions may qualify as delusions? |
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Kire
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:11 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. so what if they are deluded? |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:17 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. I'll ask you what I asked another poster. |
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Fri Mar-04-05 08:44 PM Response to Reply #75 |
87. Deleted message |
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Fri Mar-04-05 08:46 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. You have one note |
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Fri Mar-04-05 08:50 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. It's not a river in Egypt (n/t) |
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Dookus
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Fri Mar-04-05 08:52 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Again |
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Fri Mar-04-05 09:01 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Religion-bashing is like porn |
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Dookus
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Fri Mar-04-05 09:14 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Yet again |
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Fri Mar-04-05 09:46 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. You're just not understanding the answer |
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Dookus
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Fri Mar-04-05 09:56 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. No |
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Fri Mar-04-05 10:18 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. I didn't think that was a particularly useful question... |
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Dookus
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Fri Mar-04-05 10:19 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. No |
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:24 PM Response to Reply #64 |
78. Is atheism a delusion? |
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Fri Mar-04-05 11:56 PM Response to Reply #64 |
105. Insights..according to me |
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trotsky
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Sat Mar-05-05 09:31 AM Response to Reply #105 |
118. Yes, Heaven's Gate. That's what I was trying to think of! |
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Sat Mar-05-05 04:01 PM Response to Reply #118 |
132. Sorry I couldn't help |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Fri Mar-04-05 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
65. when it gets personal |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:16 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. Well, if the atheists are right, |
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Kire
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
70. all criticism is bashing |
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trotsky
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:19 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Argh |
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Kire
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Sat Mar-05-05 07:59 AM Response to Reply #76 |
114. I consider it obscenity |
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Sat Mar-05-05 09:24 AM Response to Reply #114 |
117. Do you feel we need blasphemy laws? |
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Sat Mar-05-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #117 |
137. Blasphemy is... |
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Kire
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Sat Mar-05-05 06:11 PM Response to Reply #117 |
145. you can say "JC was a fraud" all you want |
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arwalden
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Sat Mar-05-05 07:34 PM Response to Reply #145 |
150. LOL ... I Can Assure You That He Would NOT Expect That... |
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Kire
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Sun Mar-06-05 01:15 AM Response to Reply #150 |
160. how do you know what he would expect? |
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Dookus
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Sun Mar-06-05 01:25 AM Response to Reply #160 |
161. Are you honestly postulating |
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Kire
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Sun Mar-06-05 01:57 AM Response to Reply #161 |
163. I now so postulate that... |
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arwalden
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Sat Mar-05-05 12:05 PM Response to Reply #70 |
120. Oh Brother! |
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Kire
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Sat Mar-05-05 06:09 PM Response to Reply #120 |
144. because I get comfort from religion |
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Sat Mar-05-05 06:43 PM Response to Reply #144 |
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Sat Mar-05-05 09:24 PM Response to Reply #152 |
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Sat Mar-05-05 09:39 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. it's a rough-n-tumble forum |
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Sat Mar-05-05 09:41 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. There's Your Mistake. |
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Sat Mar-05-05 10:11 PM Response to Reply #156 |
157. It's in there somewhere. |
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Sat Mar-05-05 09:19 PM Response to Reply #149 |
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Sat Mar-05-05 10:11 PM Response to Reply #153 |
158. I give up. |
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Sun Mar-06-05 12:43 AM Response to Reply #158 |
159. That Doesn't Surprise Me... |
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Fri Mar-04-05 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
80. My viewpoint.... |
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Fri Mar-04-05 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
92. I think it's a fine line than is, unfortunately, undefinable. |
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Sun Mar-06-05 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
164. The lines are fairly simple... |
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Sun Mar-06-05 02:24 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. If those beliefs remained |
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Sun Mar-06-05 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
166. Locking. |
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