Answer: "When did Jesus say there should be no war?"

[BlooInBloo]

Question: How do right-wing-morality-professing-but-in-reality-the-most-evil-people-on-earth answer the cognitive dissonance that others recognize in their views?

http://theanchoressonline.com/2007/01/12/re-assessing-iraq-just-wars-etc/

"The response is this: When did Jesus say there should be no war? Jesus recognised that some things simply were what they were. He was, in some ways, the ultimate pragmatist; “render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar and to God what is God’s” (Matthew 22:21) and “”A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master.” (Matthew 10:24) Scripture says “To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven/A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to uproot the plant./A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to tear down, and a time to build.” (Eccl 3;1-3)"


My god I love religious people.


EDIT: Deliver thy quotation marks unto that which shall be quoted.

[TayTay]

1. There are a number of interpretations of war

in the Bible. There are a number of condemnations of war as the ultimate evil and a punishment visited on a people by God.

"Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword." (NAS, Matthew 26:52-53)

http://www.twopaths.com/faq_war.htm

[undeterred]

2. Ecclesiastes was around long before Jesus

and its a beautiful book, but in tension with many other sentiments in the Bible.

[Clark2008]

3. How could Jesus say anything in Ecclesiastes?

He wasn't born, yet!!

Oh, brother! :eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

LOL!! That's a good one! Arguing with religious people about *facts*! lolol!

[Clark2008]

11. Actually, I AM religious.

It's just that I know the Bible better than most of these so-called religious yahoos AND I was never taught to take it literally. It's a series of parables written from the spoken words used to help man understand God's greatness in term man could understand hundreds of years ago.

The Bible's lessons are what is important and I'm one of the religious left who believes the Bible and science can happily co-exist: if you don't take the Bible literally and take the lessons it teaches about life figuratively.

Sadly, I haven't been to church in years. I left two churches in as many years because I was tired of the preacher/priest telling me who to vote for. I thought we fought the Revolutionary War to get religion out of our politics. Silly me.

[BlooInBloo]

14. lol!

[Igel]

18. There's a tradition in some churches

that Jesus wrestled with Jacob and visited Daniel in Nebuchadnezzar's furnace.

The pre-existence of Jesus is a well-established doctrine in many strains of Xianity.

[seabeyond]

4. sermon on the mount. you will hear eye for an eye, but i say,....

turn the other cheeks. firstly

i dont hear.... i embrace war.... from any of those quotes

[patrice]

5. Jesus died because he said the individual should make his/her own

moral (and, hence, behavioral) choices about the "rendering" referred to in this interpretation of an interpretation of the original Aramaic (I believe), spoken in a Context, and which was written down a minimum of 20 years after it was first pronounced.

Remember the Good News?

Jeshua died rather than Kill.

Jeshua chose to die rather than abdicate to the church or state, his own Freely chosen moral responsibilities, because he lived by creating New Life in one Commandment that each may choose to Serve or Destroy. Love.

Hare Krsna! Hare Rama!

[acmavm]

6. What part of 'do unto others as you would have done unto you' do people

not get?

[LostInAnomie]

7. If you're looking hard enough...

... you can find a justification for just about anything in the Bible.

“To every thing there is a season... See God says that sometimes it is alright to bomb an abortion clinic."

[BlooInBloo]

8. An excellent reason not to look, imo.

[hfojvt]

12. People can find reasons to do what they want to do in anything

It does not mean they are actually justified.

[EstimatedProphet]

9. Wasn't there something to the effect of "Blessed are the peacemakers"?

Maybe that's not in the fundie bible. Maybe the Beatitudes were taken out with the Apocrypha and the Gospel of Judas.

[BlooInBloo]

10. The meek may inherit the earth, but they won't get the ball - Charles Barkely.

[Kahuna]

16. That would be my response. Jesus said, "Blessed are the peacemakers..

for they shall see God.." He didn't say, blessed are the warmongers. The ten commandments also didn't say,"thou shalt not bear false witness unless of course it's against Saddam and you want to get your war on..." Bush and his followers are not likely to receive an invite by Jesus unless they do some serious repenting and atoning.

[Crunchy Frog]

19. I thought it was "Blessed are the cheesemakers". n/t

[Zhade]

20. Cheney - blessed are the pacemakers.

:P

[Stevepol]

13. Here's another passage: It must needs be that offenses come, but woe be unto ...

the person by whom the offense comes. As I interpret this w/ re to war, Wars will happen because of the psychology of people, that is, humans in their natural state will often resort to violence or war to solve problems.

But woe by to the ones that start the wars.

It seems to me that Christ was saying that countries will fight wars but woe be unto those countries that start the wars.

Am I mis-applying?

[mntleo2]

15. He Said, "Love Your Neighbor ..."

...his mission was to teach LOVE, therefore WAR was not in the picture. When he spoke of loving your neighbor, he was speaking of everyone including anyone who is outside your family (clan). In Greek the word is translated as "agape" (pronounced a-gop-ay), which is the love for all humankind. The Greek words for other types of love are "philo", the love of family, and "eros", is sexual love. I am not sure about the Aramaic, but I also understand that the word "neighbor" is not an accurate translation. It really means "love your world ..." or something like that. But specifically the word "agape" is the word used here, which means love of all humankind and if you are in war with someone, you are not practicing "agape".

Period!

My 2 cents

Cat In Seattle

[MistressOverdone]

17. I'm not sure, actually, that Jesus said anything

about war. There was "blessed are the peacemakers" but the he once implied he did not come to bring peace, but knew that he would bring major upheaval.