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nashuaadvocate (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:16 PM Original message |
Update on New Hampshire Recount (With Links) |
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deminks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. Thank you. Reading the links now. Why Joe and Willie just this morning were saying how |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. I am so glad you posted this. I got up this morning feeling like Mel Gibson in |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
3. the 04 NH vote was the "strongest case" but on audit it proved to be correct. Only audits |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Why does an election need to be stolen... |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. such legislation will not be produced because then elections couldn't be |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. you know, many states do audit, they just don't talk about it. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
38. true - but it is the random choice of precincts that's needed - and most audit states do it only |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
67. no. my state has a random 10% audit. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
4. There you are! |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
6. It'll be an interesting—and maybe very revealing—test of the Optiscan |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
7. "the strongest case of possible vote-flipping ever seen in American politics" |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
8. So in order to prove that New Hampshirites are not racist |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. I still can't find this breakdown on the SOS website, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. bleever: do you have a link to where you have looked there? |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Here ya go: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I vote for c. Someone may have been hoping to set Democrats |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Well, here's a list of NH municipalities that use machines |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Thanks! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Wait: What we need is a list of the municipalities or counties |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. See Harvey's post just above. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I saw the same list at the gov site but |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. At the bottom of the list in that link it says |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. At this page, about 4 screens down, municipalities by method: |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. That's for Republicans |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Oh -- I was only looking for a list of paper counting venues. |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. OP misuses the word "flipped" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I do understand your point and don't know enough to speculate |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. "Did the handcounted venues match the pre-election polling?" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. I count 136 municipalities that used paper ballots and you gave |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. I would have to look at the CTV link and count |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
12. I haven't been paying attention to this, but I DID hear on Air America a few |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. They only have an anomaly in one precinct |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
54. Thanks for the clarification. nt |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
15. You've gotta hand it to the Junta |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
21. EDIT: Attribution for numbers in the OP has been found |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Go see my #22. That's where the numbers seem to come from. n/t |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I saw that. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Delete. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
29. Here is why as a long time Clinton observer I'm against a recount |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I agree, and I would add |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Sure and someone in NH who knows what they're doing can |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. That they do |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. This has nothing to do with the Clintons. n/t |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. It does now. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Are you a Hil supporter? Because the people I see pushing this |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. I'm a regular Hillary defender but may not be a supporter |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I've been in this forum since November 22, 2004. This forum |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
42. Here's the key piece of info alleging "vote flipping" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Right and right. We're were just trying to figure out how |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. It may truely NOT have been intended. It could have been a malfunction, or one of those |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Understood. And if we had a mandated audit in place like a sane |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. What can we do, or is anything even in the works, to ensure that? You know, SC is ALL touch screen.. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I don't know if anything is in the works. That would be a great question |
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NobleCynic (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #45 |
75. Considering how foolishly obvious this is if it is a case of fraud |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. I don't see this as evidence of anything at all. |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. This is not "flipping" |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I read your post before about Ohio and I agree with you |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. no, I don't think it's quite that bad |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. She could have 51% of the total vote in hand counts |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. You're using the wrong denominator. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Yes, they do. |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. No, they don't. |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Weird numerology. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. it's too weird |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. A hypothetical example shows your formulas are wrong. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. There are only two methods of counting votes |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. [Add] up to 130%. How could that be? |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. The denominator is a percentage is always one hundred. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. there is No Way that you can win this argument |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:54 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Let me clarify. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:06 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. you win a sportsmanship prize for this one! n/t |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. That's what I thought at first too |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. You are still using a ratio |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
56. Thank you for posting this! |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
71. Math Problem!!!!! |
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