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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 04:42 PM Original message |
Road Rage Incident in SA |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. "The shooter . . . had a license to carry a concealed weapon . . . he acted in self-defense" n/t |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. "one man got out of his vehicle and began attacking the other with a baseball bat" |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. We both read the article. What's your point? n/t |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. just adding a bit for those who might not have. nt |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I understand. Happy New Year! n/t |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
45. But who initiated the "rage" in the first place? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
60. It doesn't matter what triggered the rage |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. Did the Guy with the Gun Step Out of His Car? (nt) |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
4. Never bring a bat to a gun fight |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
56. LOL |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
66. Or even better... |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
5. Here's a slightly better account of what took place |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Sounds like the guy with the gun showed restraint |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 07:23 AM Response to Reply #7 |
41. Yeah. Shooting someone to death demonstrates restraint. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #41 |
54. He shot the bat-wielding crazy in order to stop the attack |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
81. Much better to die then to shoot an armed madman. |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
86. Does someone have to get their skull cracked oped and possible |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. "I'm still really shaken up. I don't really want to talk about it at all," = good response |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
29. Thats a load of bullshit |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. It doesn't sound like you have taken a self-defense course |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
65. Someone attacked who fired out of fear is not going to be acting "cocky" |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
64. Bullshit- that really is bullshit |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
67. I imagine it's also the kind of thing I'd say... |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
6. That's what happens when you attack someone you don't know in Texas |
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8 track mind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
8. I live in Texas |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 10:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
52. Yup, seems so long ago... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. Because it was... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. No it isn't! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
11. Bat = Deadly Weapon |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. So now it's fine to shoot anyone with a bat? |
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TroglodyteScholar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. I believe the poster made clear... |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. And do you know how much damage a swinging bat can do? |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
35. unless they're playing baseball they're up to something |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 03:14 AM Response to Reply #18 |
37. IF you come charging after me with a Bat like a raging lunatic after you had already chased me with |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #18 |
50. Goddamn right, when they want to lay your head open. Who wouldn't |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
57. if he's swinging at you |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
80. I'm trying hard to find something non-snarky to say. |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 07:27 AM Response to Reply #11 |
43. You would also think people could learn a bit of grammar and to spell check. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 10:18 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. What the... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
14. From the information provided, it was a good shoot in Texas or any other state |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 07:24 AM Response to Reply #14 |
42. A "good shoot". This language is disgusting. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Would you feel better if I'd called it a "legitimate defensive use of deadly force"? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
82. Attacking other motorists for no reason is disgusting |
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nannah (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
15. wasn't driving away an option? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. From the description in the link in reply #5, it sounds like that was not an option |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I'd have whipped out my cell and called the police, and locked the doors |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Cops probably wouldn't get there in time it would take |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. ^^^What he said! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Yes, I had a crazy meth-head smash my driver's window and windshield with a wrench once |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
55. A Camaro's side window won't even slow down a club. |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
95. And even those windows can be pulled outward away from the weatherstriping |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
58. I wouldn't wait that much... |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-04-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #17 |
96. I would have called 911 too |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 03:15 AM Response to Reply #15 |
38. Even if the lunatic was trying to kill you with their car? |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
20. Shoot first. Ask questions later. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. If you had read the article linked to in the OP and in reply #5 |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 07:02 AM Response to Reply #26 |
40. That IS what happened. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. There is no obligation to let someone injure you before you use deadly force, bluerum |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
73. Except for women who kill husbands abusing them . . . ! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Abuse causes injury |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Read the statistics . . . abuse causes death --- |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. So do crazy guys who jump out of cars and start swinging baseball bats |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. In this case, the guy with the gun caused the death --- |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 10:14 AM Response to Reply #20 |
51. Do YOU have a reading problem or what? Or are YOU just a wise guy? |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
91. Delete-duplicate post |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
92. So what if you get whacked upside the head with a ball bat? |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-04-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #20 |
98. If you read the articles, he didn't shoot first. |
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fudge stripe cookays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-04-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #20 |
99. Are you Texan? |
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judaspriestess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
21. ahhh good ole San Antonio my hometown |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
70. Shoot (no pun intended)... |
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judaspriestess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #70 |
93. oh most definitely, San Antonio is a great city to visit |
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cadaverdog (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
22. A few thoughts come to mind |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. I'd carry one too incase some nut comes after me like what happened here |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Road rage incidents aren't always two way |
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nannah (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
23. so in San Antonio Texas a driver can be attacked |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. I look at it a little differently |
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kurth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-02-08 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
33. The guy with the bat asked for it |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
36. Don't mess with Texas |
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whathappened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 06:25 AM Response to Original message |
39. crazy country |
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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
44. Democratic Undergroud....where defending yourself against assault is a crime |
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DiverDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. You don't get it. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. No rationalization is required for defending yourself against a violent attack |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. nothing fucked up about it |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #46 |
83. No need to rationalize it. It was already rational |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
90. For some members here, so true. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
61. My My..how far we have come |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Bingo! |
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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Someone acting under duress and probably having a second or two to react |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
77. I recommend that you read the accounts in the OP and reply #5 before jumping to that conclusion |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-04-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #63 |
97. I think he chose to defend himself. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #61 |
75. I hope you realize that the incident would be a justifiable shooting in California |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Makes me extra-glad I drive very carefully, and curteously |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. So do I, but sometimes you run into a crazy person and can't avoid a confrontation |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #76 |
85. How would driving nicely stop an insane person from attacking you? |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
89. That will serve you well in 99.9% of all situations out there |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #61 |
84. How is stopping someone from killing you "frontier justice" |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #61 |
88. No one is clapping here |
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BluePatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
62. Thoughts |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-03-08 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
72. I had a gang of young asians come toward my car with a club... over a parking spot |
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