War protest follows Obama

[Freddie Stubbs]

Source: Cape Cod Times

y Jake Berry
[email protected]
August 25, 2009

CHILMARK — On his first official vacation since taking office, President Barack Obama has tried to leave his work at home. So some demonstrators are bringing the issues to him.

Noted war protester Cindy Sheehan is scheduled to arrive today on Martha's Vineyard to hold a series of peace vigils and other events to confront the president about the continuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Sheehan, who has toured the country in protest since her son, Casey, was killed fighting in Iraq in 2004, will host a gathering starting tomorrow near Blue Heron Farm, where the Obamas are spending the week.

She could not be reached yesterday for comment.

Read more: http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090825/NEWS/908250319

[earthside]

1. Go, Cindy!

We're not out of Iraq ... still thousands and thousands and thousands of U.S. troops there.

And the seemingly endless U.S. occupation of Afghanistan has been escalated.

Please, President Obama -- bring the troops home!

[WriteDown]

2. Didn't Matt Lauer tell her recently to "Get over it"?

:shrug:

[kas125]

3. I don't know, he probably did. But Charles Gibson said, "Enough

already!" -
“And you look at somebody like that and you think here's somebody who's just trying to find some meaning in her son's death. And you have to be sympathetic to her. Anybody who has given a son to this country has made an enormous sacrifice, and you have to be sympathetic. But enough already.”
ABC Nightly News Anchor, Charles Gibson August 18, 2009

[Hell Hath No Fury]

4. Hey, Charlie ---

last time I cheeked there are still two wars going on. :shrug: I agree with you -- "enough already" to the fucking WARS.

Thank you Cindy! :loveya:

[joeycola]

9. Gibson should be ashamed of himself.

[Ken Burch]

45. When you join the MSM, they remove your shame glands.

That's why they always ask people who've just had their entire family killed in a bombing raid or a car crash "How Are You Feeling?"

[BulletproofLandshark]

15. Stay classy, Charlie. n/t

[happydreams]

40. What are you sayin' RightDown (good idea)?

Go on spill it.

[Raster]

89. Memo to Matt Lauer: Go fuck yourself, you rethuglican scumbag!

Matt, you look like you're pretty healthy...maybe you'd like to do a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan so some two-, three- or four-tour kid can come home to see his/her family, and maybe stay alive long enough to have their own children.

How 'bout it, Matt? Do you have any children? Maybe you'd like to send them.

War is a good business. Invest a child.:kick:

[PatrynXX]

31. afghanistan and pakistan is where it's at

we are getting out of Iraq.. maybe she should hold off a little bit. sheesh
But who can blame her.

[OutNow]

5. I STILL support Cindy

Martha's Vineyard is a world away from the 105 degree August weather we had in Crawford Texas, and I expect the local folks will be kinder as well.

A lot has changed since the first Camp Casey, but too much has not changed at all. Our troops are still dying in two wars that seem to go on and on with no real end.

That's why we still need an active antiwar movement and why I still support Cindy.

What do we want? Peace! When do we want it? Now!

[fbahrami]

11. Agree 100% with you all

just wanted to also point out that our troops are not only dying, but killing. More reason to stop senseless wars.

[pberq]

6. Go Cindy!

Obama is under a lot of pressure from the MIC to keep the wars going, so he needs to hear from citizens who oppose unnecessary wars.

[defendandprotect]

7. k i c k

[ro1942]

8. cindy

what a woman, love you and good luck

[frylock]

10. knr

good on ya, Cindy!

[Iowa]

12. Cindy is a true American hero.

[bvar22]

13. K&R

Standing with Cindy!

[subsuelo]

14. Good

we never had any right to be in either Iraq or Afghanistan.

[lefty369]

17. why are we increasing middle east wars?

Why is Obama sending tens of thousands more troops into the middle east?

I thought he said he would bring the troops home right away?

What the heck is going on anyway?

[subsuelo]

19. No, that was Kucinich saying that

[George II]

20. He's not increasing middle east "wars"!

[Ken Burch]

46. What are they then, "Middle East Police Actions"?

Will these people end up being recalled to duty?

[George II]

53. Pick up a newspaper some time....

....just as Obama promised during the primary campaign and the general election campaign, he is REDUCING our involvement in Iraq and sending 10-20,000 more troops to Afghanistan. That should not come as a surprise to anyone.

So, on the one hand he is drawing down our troops in Iraq (not "increasing") and minimally increasing our troop level in Afghanistan. Using the terminology I responded to, he is NOT increasing middle east "wars", it is singular. And the net change, if you will, is an overall decrease of our troops in the Middle East.

[EFerrari]

56. Obama's Pentagon is renaming combat batallions so they will

not be counted when they remain in Iraq.

And not only is Gates escalating Afghanistan but they are attacking Pakistan.

Yes, our involvement is increasing, not decreasing.

[HamdenRice]

85. I think the point is that Afghanistan is not in the middle east. It's considered South Asia

So if the administration is drawing down troops in Iraq and redeploying them to Afghanistan it is not correct to say that he is increasing troops in the Middle East.

[EFerrari]

51. Yes, he is. And it's a mistake. n/t

[George II]

54. See above, please

[armyowalgreens]

57. You are trying to win by arguing semantics. It's not going to work out well.

Call it whatever you'd like. Our military presence is being increased dramatically in at least one country when we should be bringing them all home.

That's reality.

[George II]

62. I am "arguing" facts, and they are on my side....this is not sematics whatsoever....

....we have not "increased Middle East warS". There are no facts to dispute that.

1 - There were two wars in the Middle East when Obama took office, there are two now and no plans for any others.

2 - We are reducing our involvement in one and increasing (not) dramatically our involvement in the other. There are currently 62,000 troops in Afghanistan now and the plan is to send an additional 6,000 by the end of the year. That is not "dramatic".

This is precisely what Obama told the country he would do if elected. He was elected, and that is precisely what he is doing. Who can argue with that?

[armyowalgreens]

78. No, you are wrong. We honestly do not need any more apologists...

Your kind of mentality really pisses me off. "He said that he would do this during the election so shut up already"

Anyone who thinks like that can fuck off. Just because I voted for Obama does not mean I need to shut up for the next 4 fucking years. So please quit with the bullshit.

1. Just because he said he would do it does not make it justified. We had the option between him and McCain.

Are you really going to tell me that we really had a choice about whether or not he supported increasing troop presence in Afghanistan? Do you live in a fantasy world?


2. The sentence "why are we increasing middle east wars" could be taken as "why are we building up the wars currently in the middle east." That's how I took it.

[George II]

86. Whatever....fact is, we are less involved in the Middle East wars now than a year ago....

...play it any way you choose - it won't change reality.

[armyowalgreens]

91. You are correct. It won't change reality. So why don't you step back into reality for a second...

Simply because we are "less involved in the middle east wars now than a year ago" does not mean that it justifies us being there.

Nor does it prove that we will not be increasing troop presence in the future.


But I'm sure that you'd be much happier if we all just sat on our thumbs and watched another administration send more Americans do die.

[Amos Moses]

32. It's called "Permanent War".

Our permanent war economy has not been challenged by Obama and the Democratic Party. They support its destructive fury because it funds them. They validate its evil assumptions because to take them on is political suicide. They repeat the narrative of fear because it keeps us dormant. They do this because they have become weaker than the corporate forces that profit from permanent war.

The hollowness of our liberal classes, such as the Democrats, empowers the moral nihilists. A state of permanent war means the inevitable death of liberalism. Dick Cheney may be palpably evil while Obama is merely weak, but to those who seek to keep us in a state of permanent war, it does not matter. They get what they want. Fyodor Dostoevsky wrote “Notes From the Underground” to illustrate what happens to cultures when a liberal class, like ours, becomes sterile, defeated dreamers. The main character in “Notes From the Underground” carries the bankrupt ideas of liberalism to their logical extreme. He becomes the enlightenment ideal. He eschews passion and moral purpose. He is rational. He prizes realism over sanity, even in the face of self-destruction. These acts of accommodation doom the Underground Man, as it doomed imperial Russia and as it will doom us.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090518_the_disease_of_permanent_war/

[geek tragedy]

74. Sheehan is a Paultard who spouts radical, John Birch rhetoric

calling for the abolition of the income tax.

She was right about Iraq, but she's a fringe nutjob.

And, yes, she was an insane nutter when Bush was President.

[MissDeeds]

16. K&R

Continuing the Bush wars is a non-starter. End the blood letting and bring our troops home. Now.

[Amos Moses]

18. K&R

[CrawlingChaos]

21. K&R for Cindy - end these insane wars NOW! (n/t)

[lefty369]

22. Obama is looking more and more

like he is just fallowing the same plan as Bush. Instead of bringing the troops home he is increasing the numbers.

And what about the Patriots acts and domestic spying on Amercians. Why is he continuing and expanding these powers?

WTF is going on here???

[progressivebydesign]

39. I smell something. n/t

[geek tragedy]

75. He's decreasing troops in Iraq, like he said he would.

He's committed to Afghanistan, like he said he would. If he looks like Bush to you, that says more about you than about him.

[meowomon]

23. Go Cindy!

I disagree about Afghanistan, but you go Girl!

[RoccoR5955]

24. WTG Cindy. Hope you run for Congress and WIN. n/t

[Freddie Stubbs]

25. She ran under the banner of the wrong party last time

[Lydia Leftcoast]

36. "Wrong" party? Who cares if she has the right ideas?

If a war is wrong, then it's wrong, no matter who is pursuing it.

I'm for principles, not parties or personalities.

[Freddie Stubbs]

41. It's attitudes like that which enabled Bush to to carry Florida in 2000

Some people never learn.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

42. Are you still harping on that?

(And for the record, I voted for Gore, but I TOTALLY understand people who didn't.)

[Freddie Stubbs]

43. Is there anyone who believes that the last 8 years wouldn't have been different with Gore in the WH?

:shrug:

[Ken Burch]

47. Gore would have won he he hadn't run on the Clinton-DLC status quo

There was no good reason to make the 2000 campaign "more of the same".

It's time to admit the right wing of THIS party is to blame for the Greens.

[Freddie Stubbs]

92. Or perhaps he ran too far to the left

Obama ran as a centrist, and won.

[Raster]

99. It wasn't Obama's centrism that won the election. It was the American people

extremely dissatisfied with cheney*/bush* and the possibility of Crazy MoFo McCain leading us all to nuclear armageddon.

Centrism, my ass.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

58. Who knows how a founding member of the DLC and a supporter of the Contras

would have actually governed?

[Freddie Stubbs]

93. Do you really beleive that he would have did anywhere near what Bush did?

:shrug:

[Ken Burch]

49. The Dems had no right to expect progressives to vote for them after EIGHT YEARS

of being just barely not Reaganite. And eight years where ceo's mattered to the party leadership and activists didn't. It was the fault of you left-haters that the Greens happened.

This party doesn't prosper by bashing idealists.

[onenote]

95. gee, I'm a progressive and I didn't hesitate to vote for Gore over Bush

another guy I think of as a progressive - the late, great, Teddy Kennedy -- do you think he voted for Nader?

[RoccoR5955]

65. I think it's the Floridian educational system that did that.

Simple explanation... They never learned to count!

[geek tragedy]

76. Like banning the income tax? She's a Paultard and is unfit

for any elected office.

[Dr Fate]

26. Call me a "far left" if you will- but Cindy might be right- we can't afford these wars.

I would rather spend my money on Healthcare in the good old USA.

When are we going to have "town hall" meetings about the BILLIONS we spend in those God-forsaken deserts? I'd love to yell at some politicians myself- except I wont have to make crap up.

[Raster]

101. Sorry, American Military-Industrial Complex, I would rather the OBSCENE amounts of money

that are currently going into your coffers to actually benefit the citizens the monies come from.

Some examples:

instead of sending kids off to die in desert hell-holes, let's send them to college.

instead of spending a fortune protecting Saudi Arabia's oil infrastructure, let's spend the money upgrading and repairing our national electrical, water and communications infrastructure.

instead of spending a fortune militarizing planet Earth, let's spend the fortune to SAVE PLANET EARTH--polution, global warming, species extinction, etc.

instead of fattening war monger wallets, let's provide healthcare for ALL CITIZENS, not just the rich.

[bkozumplik]

27. Cindy's great

Cindy Sheehan never gives up, even though she is treated badly on many sides. I wish she'd managed to kick Pelosi out of congress. She would've been good there.

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. Good for you, Cindy!

:yourock:

[IndianaGreen]

29. Forget Cindy Sheehan, the issue is why is Obama keeping us in Afghanistan?

Forget Cindy Sheehan, the issue is why is Obama keeping us in Afghanistan and why won't he announce a withdrawal date, as Russ Feingold has urged him to do?

Published on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 by ABC News

Feingold to Obama: Announce Withdrawal Timetable from Afghanistan
by David Chalian

The Obama administration has been keenly aware of discontent among many in its liberal base with regard to its Afghanistan policy and an expected request for additional troops following General McChrystal's upcoming assessment of the situation there.

That liberal base just got a high-profile voice to lead its charge.

Sen. Russ Feingold, D-WI, called on President Obama to announce a timetable for withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan. "This is a strategy that is not likely to succeed," Sen. Feingold said about the troop buildup in Afghanistan.

"After eight years, I am not convinced that pouring more and more troops into Afghanistan is a well thought out policy," said Feingold. The liberal Democrat said he has expressed his reservations with President Obama, Admiral Mullen, and others inside the administration and he says he has "never been convinced they have a good answer."

"I think it is time we start discussing a flexible timetable so that people around the world can see when we are going to bring our troops out," said Feingold. "Showing the people there and here that we have a sense about when it is time to leave is one of the best things we can do," he added.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/08/25-2

Published on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 by FAIR

Where Is the Afghanistan Debate?

When public support slips, TV packs in war boosters
by FAIR

With new polls showing the American public becoming increasingly critical of the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan, the Sunday morning network talkshows turned primarily to Pentagon officials and war boosters to discuss the issue, continuing the media marginalization of critics of the escalation of the war (Extra!, 4/09).

The most recent ABC/Washington Post poll (8/13-17/09) found that 51 percent of respondents believe the war is not worth fighting--the first time that position has received majority support. Just 24 percent supported sending more troops to Afghanistan, while 45 percent think the level of troops should be decreased.

As the New York Times reported (8/24/09): "The White House has been concerned about declining support for the war among the American public. After recent polls illustrating the decline, Admiral Mullen and Karl W. Eikenberry, a retired general who is the ambassador to Afghanistan, went on Sunday talkshows to discuss the direction of the mission." Indeed, this pair of officials appeared the same morning (8/23/09) on both NBC's Meet the Press and CNN's State of the Union.

State of the Union host John King also presented "three U.S. senators from across the ideological spectrum debate whether to send more troops to Afghanistan." The views expressed by Republican Sen. Richard Lugar, independent Joe Lieberman and Democrat Benjamin Cardin, though, could hardly be considered a debate: Lugar said that "everyone waits for General McChrystal to give, really, the outline of where we're headed, how many troops or whatever else is going to be required" while Cardin declared that "we need to make sure that Afghanistan and, quite frankly, the border with Pakistan is not a safe haven for terrorists," and "we now need to know what do we need to do as far as resources to accomplish that mission."

Lieberman, declaring that "we can't let the Taliban come back," suggested that the U.S. "give our troops and our civilians there...the support that they need as quickly as we can get it to them." ("Don't dribble it out, don't go for incrementalism," Lieberman warned.) Lugar concluded the segment by predicting that the U.S. occupation of Afghanistan would last "many, many years beyond" President Barack Obama's current term.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/08/25-11

[Dr Fate]

30. Silly you! Polls & "town halls" only count when it's domestic issues.

Matters that involve spending BILLIONS in foreign deserts are best left to the people who "know more than we do."

[happydreams]

37. Obama made a slick move when he called in "America's War".....

Afghanistan has a semblance of justification compared to Iraq in many peoples eyes. It's where the terrarists are etc. This of course is a load of you know what, when considering all the "vested" interests, but there are people here at DU who believe(d) it was justified. Obama has committed himself to this war and also keeping the truth about 9/11 from coming out because that would blow the justification for this war all to hell and expose the CIA's link to Al Qaeda etc.

"When did OBL go off the CIA payroll?"

Obama is sleaze and with his approval ratings going down, even with the Right trying to bolster them with all of this Townhall ranting (ie. make him look moderate, when in reality he hasn't done one thing to moderate the Bush agenda), he will eventually been seen for what he is.

[smalll]

83. "Obama is sleaze ... he will eventually been [sic] seen for what he is" ????!?!?

How do you SURVIVE around here?

I guess some people still think, "No Enemies To The Left" (as wrong as that is.) :shrug:

[BobRossi]

33. K&R

[Politicalboi]

34. "In what respect Charlie?"

I wish ABC would "get over" you. Go Cindy. I hope Obama talks to her.

[humbled_opinion]

35. The President should heed the advice of wise man who once said

"How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake? ...

Get out of Iraq and Afghanistan NOW. Keep the pressure on this administration.

A simple strategy, the money we save by ending the wars and occupations to be put into Healthcare reform truly makes it defecit neutral.

There are sick and dying in America that can use the money wasted on these wars for their healthcare.

ENOUGH !

[progressivebydesign]

38. Geez... that's SOOO helpful.

I guess with their large background in military strategy, they have decided that we can just walk away tomorrow from this shit that Bush started. These people no longer care about the troops... they are caught in some emotional drama of their own making, with war protests as the subtext.

[EFerrari]

50. It's not a citizen's job to help politicians but to petition the government

to meet the needs of the people.

And the charge of emotionalism is right of the right wing playbook. Short on argument, large on personal attack. Nice.

[Ken Burch]

52. There's nothing good in Iraq. If the people there backed the government we invented

there wouldn't be any bombs going off.

We can't make what Bush got us into turn out to be a good thing in spite of it all.

Sharia law is in place-which means the women of Iraq will be in subjugation forever.

The unions are banned-which means the workers of Iraq are going to be exploited forever.

And if the religious parties dominate Iraqi politics now, they're going to dominate it forever.

Therefore, there's nothing for us to be there for.

No one should die in the name of "demonstration elections"

[Ken Burch]

44. If Cindy stopped protesting just because Obama was in office

They'd say "she was never sincere about stopping the war, she just hated Bush".

All Cindy Sheehan has ever been guilty of is moral consistency.

The protests need to go on until THE TROOPS ARE HOME!

The war is STILL wrong.

Cindy is right to be where she is.

[Vidar]

48. Bravo Cindy! Now Obama is sacrificing young lives for naught but corporate greed.

[Joey Liberal]

55. I part ways with Cindy Sheehan on this one

I oppose the war in Iraq, but I support the war in Afghanistan. In fact, I'd support going into Pakistan to get Al Qaeda and Bin Laden. Fuck it. I guess I'm a warmonger.

[mkultra]

97. me too. I want Bin Laden dead.

I feel a deep moral rift on this though.

[excess_3]

59. Go Cindy! .nt

[Cha]

60. President Obama can handle it..

It's the shitheads who started the wars who can't take it.

[joeycola]

61. The wars have been pushed to the back burner it seems. I am glad for her peace vigils.

[IcyPeas]

63. I agree with the message.... but....

can't the guy have a few days vacation? He has been a bit busy (unlike bush ever was).

And I say again, I agree with Cindy, but why this week? Am I missing something? Please don't flame me.

:hide:

[Cali_Democrat]

64. Keep the heat on 'em

The wars have to end.

Bring the troops home.

[Honeycombe8]

66. Yeah, well, THAT'S helpful to the healthcare reform that's going on, and

the fight to keep us out of a full blown economic depression.

[Cali_Democrat]

67. It is helpful in the fight against economic depression

If we stopped spending billions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan, that will improve our fiscal situation.

We could be spending that money on health care for all Americans.

Health care reform won't cost nearly as much as the combined wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Honeycombe8]

69. She's a nut case, IMO. I thought so even when I supported her position on Iraq and she

was making a spectacle of herself in Crawford.

The whole idea of picketing and protesting is to shine a light on a pressing issue and to accomplish something and enlighten people. No one likes her. She has no credibility.

But it only helps Obama that she's protesting HIM, now, like she protested Bush.

Most people support going after the Taliban in Afghanistan, BTW. The two wars were totally different from the beginning, and remain so. (Someone needs to tell her we're on our way out of Iraq...that we're not fighting a war there anymore. You think she reads the news?)

[Raster]

100. On our way out of Iraq, eh? Tell that to the troops stationed at the FIVE

permanent, super-bases that ring the petroleum fields. And we're not leaving the worlds largest, most heavily fortified embassy either. We aren't leaving Iraq. Far from it. We're leaving the cities and our high-profile presence. Other than that, it will be business as usual.

[proud2BlibKansan]

68. Apples and oranges

And believe it or not, some of us are capable of working on more than one issue at a time.

[Honeycombe8]

70. I can count. #1 - health care reform (small window to work on that issue..that

window ends next month, and we'll never have the opportunity again probably in my lifetime); #2 - the worst economic recession since the Great Depression, with a collapse of major financial institutions and banks, the housing industry, the country's manufacturing base, and the highest unemployment rates in decades; #3 - the environment, which was greatly damaged during the last 8 years, incl. air, land, and water; #4 - going green - trying to get some green systems in place to at least try to stem the tide of global warming and lessen our dependence on foreign oil (huge job).

I don't think Cindy's wish to get out of Iraq faster than we are ranks very high in that list of priorities, esp. since we ARE getting out of Iraq and HAVE ended the war there.

As for Afghanistan, most people want to get a handle on the Taliban, who are firmly entrenched there, since the Taliban killed thousands of Americans a few years ago. It's called justice, as well as trying to prevent more attacks like those in the future. At the top of this list is bringing down bin Laden and his key people (we got a key Taliban leader in Pakistan in the last few weeks, which was a great accomplishment). We are not at war with Afghanistan. We are in Afghanistan, working with the Afghanistan government, to rid them (and us) of the Taliban's hold over the country and the training and growing of terrorists there.

[proud2BlibKansan]

71. Justice is bringing our troops home

and ceasing the killing of innocent civilians as well as our military in Afghanistan.

Ending the war is very high on many lists of priorities. Maybe not yours.

Oh and bin Laden is dead. No need to bring him down.

[Honeycombe8]

72. I disagree. And bin Laden is not dead, as far as we know.

It's likely we would've heard through intelligence sources, just like we recently got confirmation that we did indeed kill that key Taliban leader recently.

[proud2BlibKansan]

77. There was an article about his funeral in a Pakistani newspaper in 2002

His death would also explain his absence.

[Cali_Democrat]

81. Bin Laden is dead and likely wasn't even behind the Sep 11 terror attacks

Some dude in a cave thousands of miles away was not behind the attacks. CIA and/or other government operatives likely orchestrated the attacks. At the very least, the Bush Administration had knowledge of the impending attacks.

Why would the Bush Administration do such a dastardly deed you ask? They did it in order to justify the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

There's the plain truth with no sugarcoating. Your government pulled the wool over your eyes.

I used to laugh at the truthers but the more I analyze it, the more I see that this entire nation was lied to in order to justify illegal wars.

[Raster]

98. I'll just say that the "official" cheney*/bush* version of 9/11 stinks to high heaven.

I don't know what really happened, and unfortunately, many forces are in play to make sure I never know what really happened.

I do know this: Al Gore won the Presidency of the United States in 2000, fair and square, even though Bush* family members and associates worked before and after the balloting to insure their boy would be selected and installed.

I do know this: The Republican majority of the Supreme Court *illegally* interfered in the State of Florida's election process and *illegally* ordered legally cast ballots to NOT BE COUNTED.

I do know this: The bush*/cheney* pResidency was well on its way to becoming the worst in history when the events of 9/11 *temporarily* halted the downward slide in bush*/cheney* popularity.

I do know this: The bush*/cheney* mis-administration shamefully used the events of 9/11 to terrorize the citizens of this country, and used the terror to obscure questions about its legitimacy.

I do know this: The bush*/cheney* mis-administration used the events of 9/11 to institute the closest thing this country has ever seen to national fascism as standard operating policy.

I do know this: The bush*/cheney* mis-administration used the events of 9/11 to push the "Patriot Act" through an unsuspecting Congress.

I do know this: The bush*/cheney* mis-administration used the events of 9/11 to start and illegal and immoral war in Iraq, outright lying to Congress, the American people and the world-at large for greed and vanity.

[joeycola]

88. She is helpful to our soldiers and their families.

[Dr Fate]

90. I'm told over and over that "we cant afford Healthcare reform"- well, end these 2 wars and we can.

So yes, they are related, actually.

[ClayZ]

73. Cindy Shehan speaks for me!

[earth mom]

79. So, is Obama going to talk to her or ignore her like * did? That's what I want to know.

p.s. GO CINDY! :yourock:

[IcyPeas]

80. I get a feeling he may actually talk with her, don't you?

[smalll]

82. "She could not be reached yesterday for comment."?!?!?

Cindy Sheehan? Could not be reached for comment??? I'm having serious mind-implosion here. :nuke:

:nuke: :crazy: :nuke:

[PuraVidaDreamin]

84. Cindy Sheehan is a true American hero

She's got my support!

[Raster]

87. Thank you Cindy! The facts remain:

The US is embroiled in two Middle East wars it has no hope of winning. Iraq was conceived by treasonous liars, built on lies and carried out against international law. The Afghanistan War, while at least earning some UN sanction, is also an exercise in futility, and, if it's precepts are closely examined, also based on lies and inaccurate information.

The US defense budget is greater than all other countries and is sucking this country dry. Our infrastructure is falling apart, our schools are a disaster and healthcare for every citizen--enjoyed by every other industrialized country--is an uphill battle.

The rest of the world views the United States as the worlds biggest bully and terrorist. We've proved that our often lofty ideals do not mesh with our actions. We have toppled lawfully elected governments because they posed a threat to our corporate masters. We have inflated international conflicts, even to the point of providing weaponry to both sides of conflict. And under the cheney*/bush* mis-administration, we showed the world we consider ourselves above the rule of law and mindful of no other country's needs or concerns.

Thank you Cindy for continuing to speak out!:kick:

[Phx_Dem]

94. Cindy allowed herself to be turned into a caricature by the far lefties.

She has as much credibility as the Code Pink ladies.

[Raster]

96. I am a progressive, liberal Democrat, and proud of it.

I salute Cindy Sheehan and her tireless quest to end an illegal and immoral war and hold those responsible to justice. Further, I thank the wonderful, courageous and *inventive* women of CODE PINK. They have identified wrongs that need to be corrected and worked tirelessly to bring these issues to the American people.

You have a nice day.

[Phx_Dem]

102. I am proud of being a Dem too but not proud of Cindy Sheehan

or the Code Pink ladies. While they have valid issues to protest, they go about it in the wrong way. Disrupting Congressional hearings with their inane screeching and sign-waving is rude, inappropriate and embarrassing. If you want to scream and wave a sign, do it outside.

Cindy started out fine, but then allowed the nutjobs to run the control her and turned her into a joke, which she exemplified by trying to unseat The Speaker of the House. That was a stunt that made her look anything but serious.

I have absolutely nothing against war protestors, but when you start acting like fools, then it's hard to take your issue seriously. Kinda like teabaggers.