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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:54 AM Original message |
NLGA column writing winner, LZ Granderson: Commentary: Gay is not the new black |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
1. From the article - |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I could be wrong and this may inflame some folks but I'm gonna say it... |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Why would it inflame anyone - its true. nt |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I am going to make the assumption that writer is gay, which is important. . . |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. You have a valid point however... |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I think his point is bigotry based on race is different. . . |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. So your advice is to "hide" our homosexuality if we want to get our rights? nt |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Absolutely NOT. . .my point is that Black folks, all people of color. . . |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. I beg to differ...some gay folk are called out on it early on |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. So you are saying from the very minute you were born, folks were saying. . . |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
77. I think if you reread what I posted |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. I am not being naive, but I am pointing out the difference between race and sexual orientation. . . |
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SacredCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. So why, pray tell, does that difference validate the viewpoint... |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. And I'm pointing out, that in some instances, there isn't a difference |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. It is never acceptable to scream dyke and I hope you don't think |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. I'm not saying that's your belief |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. The writer, Granderson, is not saying the GLBT community can't criticize |
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SacredCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. Putting it into *HIS* perspective, you mean.... |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
251. There were 3 children in our neighborhood that everyone knew |
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SacredCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
57. The "Gay is the new black" idea is not all that new.... |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
131. Some liberals still deny racism against blacks |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
248. You deserve kudos for being patient in response to an obvious straw man argument here |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #248 |
249. wndycty was remarkably patient and effective and fostered a constructive thread |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #249 |
250. Thanks for the vote of confidence |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #250 |
252. Thanks for the essay and the thread. |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Homophobia is not just against gay people... |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #17 |
40. Really? I mean, really? |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
61. You do realize that had you and your gf been straight and ignored those guys. . . |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. If I was straight |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. But you a dismissing the perspective of the boneheaded male (Black, Brown, White, . . .) |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:02 PM Original message |
You do realize that this answer is, itself, dismissive and more than a little insulting, right? |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
118. I am not saying that at all, what I am saying is that unfortunately slurs associated with being gay |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #118 |
126. Are you aware that what you declare as 'willing to say anything to hurt' |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. There are coffins for Black Gays and Straight Blacks too |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #128 |
140. My fellow DU |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #140 |
142. So, I am sure you speak and act for the entire White Gay Community - Don't talk about it be about it |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:37 AM Response to Reply #143 |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #143 |
245. Aside from not making sense in reply to that post, why is this hateful personal attack allowed? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #142 |
151. My "claim" well this being the internet, it is all a "claim" |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #140 |
172. That was not "the level of crime they were talking about" -- they were discussing something |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #118 |
134. Again... you are being casually dismissive. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #118 |
145. my cousin, who is not gay, used to get called a dyke all the time |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #82 |
170. Thank you for patiently re-making that point. Esp. since it was Placerville, yeah, it's the bonehead |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #170 |
184. Thanks |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #170 |
191. Then gee, I guess I'd better just stay out of Placerville, then |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #191 |
195. It's always good to be aware of your surroundings. |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #195 |
201. Thanks, I'll remember that |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #201 |
313. You should probably carry some sort of protective crystal when you go there, too. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
62. I know you find it amazin' (as do I) that - |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. You make an interesting point when you say "(1) feminist and (2) homosexual is fluid." |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
86. yep, pretty amazing |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
213. I think homophobia is more acceptable than racism in the U.S. |
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Veruca Salt (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #213 |
253. It is. nt |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #213 |
254. Homophobia is a lot more acceptable on DU than it used to be, too, |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
20. You are *not* wrong and your observation will not inflame any... |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
130. Which Gays? |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #130 |
179. When I speak of the gay community I don't segregate |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #179 |
225. Nice Back Peddle |
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SacredCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. I concur. |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. "So SacredCow, now that you've finished your internship, does that make you..." |
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SacredCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
32. I quit a job early in my career.... |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I have to admit that I feel guilty |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. And Granderson is not saying that Obama shouldn't fight for what is right. . . |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
75. He has contradicted himself on a few occassions in the article |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
223. When you cherry pick and start off the thread with that misrepresentation |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:15 AM Response to Reply #223 |
228. And they refuse to acknowledge or validate his POV |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:34 AM Response to Reply #228 |
234. After reading the whole thread |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
2. The "big finish" is where he makes some interesting points |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. So, let me see if I understand this... |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. "Sit down, shut up and enjoy what we've given you!" |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Does his perspective as one of the few openly gay sportswriters matter? |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Honestly? |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Well obviously as a writer he has been honored with the GLBT community for his writing. . . |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. It doesn't take much. Our community often drinks the sand. nt |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. As I said, I would need to know more about him... |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. So the fact that the columnist has experienced bigotry as both a Black man and a gay man is . . . |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Comments like this: |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Huh? |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Yes, I am aware... |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. I bet some Black people would agree and some Black people would disagree, don't you? |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. I would hope so... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
210. I'm sure the writer can't change his perspectives that easily |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 04:28 AM Response to Reply #210 |
239. I do not want the writer to change his perspective... |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
63. You'd Need To Know That He Will Push His Blackness Aside. |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
59. You know you don't care about it |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
141. our "white gay world view"? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:46 AM Response to Reply #141 |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
114. Does he have to chose one community? |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #114 |
212. That's what some around here |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
22. No, I don't think he's saying that. Here is what I take from his comments. |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. LZ Granderson says criticism of President Obama by the gay community has gone too far |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Um...excuse me? |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. You Are Excused |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. Wow. You're psychic! |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. That is Certainly what you are doing |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Sigh... |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #70 |
80. Thank Goodness |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
175. "is going to divide the movements" is the KEY point, being ignored by too many folks. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. I guess where you stand depends on where you sit. I didn't take it that way. |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. The white GLBT community is not giving him a chance, they're too impatient... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. I do not know the answer to your question. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #74 |
211. Who are you and what have you done with MADem!!!!??!! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #69 |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
93. I don't expect anyone to "do my bidding" |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 04:27 AM Response to Reply #93 |
238. Would you please be so kind as to read what I have written, and not extrapolate |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #56 |
148. i'm a black lesbian |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. +25...! |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #148 |
157. I don't even know what to say to you. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #148 |
168. yes, the virulence directed at the black community over prop 8 here |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #148 |
186. +25.. n/t |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 04:34 AM Response to Reply #148 |
241. Thank you for your reply. |
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Veruca Salt (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #148 |
256. I am so sorry you had to experiance that... |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #256 |
318. you expressed yourself well |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
202. k&r. n/t |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
173. This is the most thoughtful post I've ever seen from you and a good summation. Thank you. |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #6 |
28. He certainly did not |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. For people to open their eyes... |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
46. Of Course You Can't Speak For The Gay Black Experience |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Wow. From a few posts you know me SO well! |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. Hey, don't run from the truth |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. a veiled threat |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
26. You do know the writer is gay? nt |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #26 |
44. yes, I do |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
79. I think he's just iterating a viewpoint from a subset of the community, is all. |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
5. Excellent Article: He's right |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Are you gay? nt |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Why does it matter to you? |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
15. OMG |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #15 |
30. I'll be the first to admit there is some issues between races in the gay community |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
78. I think the author's point is not "gay vs. black", as people are trying to |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. I understand that, however, again, I'll restate my point |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #85 |
98. You're conflating "black gay community" with "black community" |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. I meant black community in general |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #85 |
133. Racism Is keep much of the Black gay community from the white gay community |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
122. This is untrue |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
42. Allow me to introduce the short form of this article: "Gays are racists" |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Like it or not, racism DOES exist in the gay community too, so it's dishonest |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Here is a question. . .before the civil rights movement of the 1960's were gay organizations. . . |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
73. Do you know the answers or are you working from assumptions? |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Are you calling the writer, WHO IS GAY, homophobic. . . |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #76 |
90. Just FYI, there are gay homophobes. (eom) |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. Understood but, tell me why this gay writer is homophobic |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. I don't recall in any of my posts stating that the writer was homophobic |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. Good, so you'll acknowledge the writer, Granderson is not homophobic? |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #106 |
113. I'm ackowledging I don't know what is in his heart or mind |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #113 |
119. Do you think GLAAD would honor him if there was something wrong with. . . |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #119 |
176. GLAAD's recognition is immaterial |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #176 |
177. +1 |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #176 |
258. Again, explain to me how this writer is homophobic or influenced by homophobia |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #258 |
259. See my longer post below |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #259 |
262. It doesn't sound like homophobia to me unless of course you think that within the GLBT community. . |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:56 AM Response to Reply #262 |
265. The kind of homophobia derived from sexism |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #265 |
271. I am not comfortable with any form of bigotry. . . |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #271 |
283. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #283 |
299. Deleted message |
wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #299 |
305. Who are you accusing of bigotry? Me? |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #271 |
316. Endorsing it, on the other hand... |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #316 |
320. DId I or the author of the article endorse "the tension and disconnect?" |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
129. In 1961 being gay was a criminal offense in all states but Illinois |
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Veruca Salt (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
257. Those are actually very interesting questions, wndycty |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. That's not a defense |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Are you accusing the writer of homophobia? |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
81. Yes, but also racism |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:28 AM Response to Reply #81 |
260. "Attitudes and hostility?" Because he doesn't see things your way? |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:32 AM Response to Reply #260 |
261. It goes much further |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #261 |
264. Well, I don't think his purpose was to stand on a soapbox and speak for an entire community. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #264 |
268. No, see, I do get it |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 09:17 AM Response to Reply #268 |
269. I do not think people are "praising" the situation that the writer describes, |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #269 |
270. We agree on substance, but prejudice clouds the response |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #270 |
275. The question, though, is: Do you need the support of those Christians? |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #275 |
279. Depends on the Christian |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #279 |
292. We need to make something very clear here. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #292 |
302. Nevermind |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #302 |
310. I do agree that he knew what he was writing, but I do not think he was writing what you think he was |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #275 |
281. No one has proven this assertion |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #281 |
284. Very insightful points. |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #284 |
286. Where do you socialize? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #286 |
295. I don't "socialize." I'm quite old. Decades ago, we used to call going out |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #295 |
306. Yes, I've been to clubs like that |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #306 |
314. I honestly didn't get the impression that he was doing that. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #281 |
291. This is a very perceptive post |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #260 |
263. In this thread it appears some in the GLBT community feel that the African American subset . . . |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:04 AM Response to Reply #263 |
267. There's certainly a reluctance to relate to the concept of competing loyalties and |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #267 |
273. No reluctance whatsoever |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #273 |
277. Ah, Catholicism. Like Andrew Sullivan--"If only I were good enough, the Pope will love me." |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #277 |
282. Please do not compare me to Sullivan |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #282 |
297. I disagee with your thesis that being Catholic is equivalent in any way to being black. |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. People here have hardly "forgotten", even if the author doesn't mention it |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #64 |
83. The author introduces the ugly in that discussion, no one else |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. I would simply raise this rhetorical question and ask people to be honest with themselves: |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #91 |
104. absolutely |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #91 |
105. I believe yes, absolutely |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #91 |
121. Are you kidding?: ""No excuses. No excuses," Obama added, verging off his prepared remarks." |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #91 |
123. you really need to ask that? Wow. |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #123 |
149. Did I say that? That's the problem with these discussions. You can't have a reasonable one |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #149 |
152. this is what you said |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. I singled out one group because |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #91 |
154. I would probably be more pissed off |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 04:31 AM Response to Reply #91 |
240. Yes... |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #83 |
96. As a WHITE lesbian I can say with certainty the following |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. some gays are racist |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
139. BINGO |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 05:45 AM Response to Reply #139 |
244. .. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #42 |
66. Who's "praising?" Most people on this thread are trying to parse what the guy is saying |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #66 |
88. I think the divide is not an LGBT specific issue |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #88 |
153. i don't think the animosity is especial |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 04:51 AM Response to Reply #88 |
243. Interesting analysis. I sort of understand your points, but I didn't take the |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
146. No, I think he's talking about how black gays see things differently |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:20 AM Response to Reply #42 |
230. What he actually wrote was: |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
51. i agree wholeheartedly |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
155. Glad to see you here, noire |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #155 |
158. indeed black is still black |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #158 |
167. Yep. It's almost as if black folks are damned if we do and damned if we don't |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #158 |
171. it's horrible. |
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SacredCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
92. I've heard this argument somewhere before..... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Mike Huckabee is fond of that argument too. |
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RepublicanElephant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
102. i never liked that phrase "the new black." it seems to assumes that the "old black" is no more. nt |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. No kidding. One only has to watch "Uncle Pat" Buchanan preach to his choir |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #107 |
229. I have an idea... let's all elect a gay president... then everyone can criticize him/her. |
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SacredCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #102 |
110. Though I think the comparison is valid, I agree that the phrase trivializes the matter.... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #102 |
300. I always thought the reference was to fashion! |
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aaaaaa5a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
109. Go ahead and shout at me. |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Very well stated |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Looks vs. actions |
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DatManFromNawlins (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #112 |
185. You are choosing to ignore the obvious |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #185 |
192. No one said they're the same |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #185 |
209. Two couples go to the county clerk's office to get a marriage license |
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SacredCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #109 |
115. So human rights are reduced to a pissing contest? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. Civil rights have been a pissing contest for quite a while now. |
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SacredCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. And also, unfortunately.... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. Yes, but there's also a fine line. |
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SacredCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #132 |
138. Which is why I personally don't come into GD or GD-P and start threads... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #109 |
180. "I think all of us in the gay rights movement need to remember that." |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
116. just clicked -- could not disagree more... |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
117. What a tall mound of steaming cow manure |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #117 |
178. It is a valid argument. What is your problem with it? |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
127. First off Obama has neglected alot of constituencies that put him in office |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
135. They are both civil rights issues.. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
136. I can't tell if this thread is a good one or not. |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
137. Certainly has some good points, and bad. |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #137 |
144. Thanks for your assessment |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #137 |
147. there is still a lot of segregation in gay communities |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #137 |
189. Good points, thanks for the thoughtful and unique contribution to the thread. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
159. So nice to see.... |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. Ouch! |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. I neither recommended nor unrecommend your thread |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. You have two gay Black men talking about an issue. . . |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. True. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #163 |
165. In college |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #165 |
188. great post. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #163 |
169. Beautifully said, wndy. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. Thank you for linking the article...! |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
166. the most resonant parts of this article |
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Boomerang Diddle (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
174. It's nice to see some logic and reason on this subject for a change! K&R! n/t |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
181. overall, this thread is the best discussion I've seen on this topic |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #181 |
187. I am glad it has remained civil, that was my intent in posting it |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
182. Rec'd...thanks for posting this! n/t |
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cyndensco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
183. LZ Granderson's POV as expressed in this article is just that: |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
190. it's funny how some of you anxious to discuss racism in the gay |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #190 |
193. bingo |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #193 |
197. It IS an upsetting concept, but you can't tell me what I've witnessed or |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #197 |
203. yep, it is upsetting CG |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #203 |
205. If the author is generalizing, then I'm in disagreement with him. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #205 |
207. well I agree wholeheartedly on that |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #193 |
198. That's not what is going on here. Saying so is perpetuating misunderstanding. No one needs that. |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #198 |
200. Read the thread |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #200 |
204. I did. I don't agree with your generalizations. Even if I did, they really don't help, do they? |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #204 |
208. help what? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #208 |
215. LOL |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #190 |
194. Tell me what is so vile about it and why Granderson's column should not be shared. . . |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #194 |
199. It appears to be anger over what he didn't say, rather than consideration of what he did say. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #190 |
196. Maybe you need to reread it with an open mind. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #190 |
216. Both are extremely wrong. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #190 |
220. My recollection is that it was discussed.... |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
206. Interesting article and discussion. Recommended. n/t |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
214. Surprised to hear this won a "major award" |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #214 |
217. He described it. How is that "discounting" it? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #214 |
246. He's not saying what you claim he is saying. At all. |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #246 |
274. I just thnk he's shortsighted |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
218. Highly recommended!! |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #218 |
219. +1 |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
221. Let's open a can of worms |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #221 |
222. thank you for your honesty in this topic |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:08 AM Response to Reply #221 |
227. This is a good example of how the GLBT effort has much more in common with women's rights than |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:25 AM Response to Reply #227 |
232. I disagree |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #232 |
235. Absolutely wrong. The fact you would continue to make those accusations creates more of a problem, |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:54 AM Response to Reply #235 |
236. We have different approaches. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 02:22 AM Response to Reply #236 |
237. People are walking on eggshells about this issue on DU. You have that luxury of speaking as plainly |
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kid a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #227 |
276. +1 (good response) |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #221 |
233. self delete. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #221 |
247. Wow. Very highly recommended, if I could |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #221 |
255. This post hits close to home because I'm dealing with that particular form of homophobia... |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:01 AM Response to Reply #221 |
266. oustanding post!! it's sad that this most IGNORANT article |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #266 |
272. Why is it ignorant? Because it doesn't fit your world view. . . |
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kid a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #266 |
278. I didn't see it as ignorant at all. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #278 |
280. Have either of you (kid a or wndycty) been involved in a |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #280 |
285. What does that qualification have to do with the discussion? |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #285 |
287. Of course you don't see it |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #287 |
290. And attitudes like yours are what shut down discussions. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #290 |
293. This issue has been explained to death |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #293 |
296. That homophobia exists is obvious |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #296 |
307. I don't think his experiences are invalid |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #285 |
288. I was asking to find out where they are coming from |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #288 |
289. I get you. Edited to add that |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #289 |
315. I agree that there is racism in the GLBT community |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #280 |
294. No but are you setting new policy? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #294 |
311. I'm wondering what your perspective is |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #311 |
317. I am a straight African American male |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #221 |
321. i live in a black community |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #321 |
324. I don't give much credence to "blacks are more homophobic" |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #324 |
327. thanks for the clarification |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
231. The Dream is being judged on the content of our character |
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kdpeters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 04:37 AM Response to Original message |
242. I pretty much agree with everything he said. |
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dolphindance (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
298. This black person agrees with this article 100%. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #298 |
301. Are you gay? n/t |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #301 |
303. So is the new tact today that the only folks allowed to have an opinion must be gay? |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #303 |
308. Imagine a bunch of white guys sitting around discussing racial discrimination, |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #308 |
309. So tell me what where I am (I can't take responsibility for others) am telling LGBT DUers. . |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #309 |
312. Here's one nice little example, but there are plenty of others: |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #312 |
319. Huh? That takes me to the reply screen. . . |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #319 |
322. Here's the correct link, in all its breezily dismissive glory: |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #322 |
323. You should have put the entire exchange which I also stated. . . |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #323 |
325. But that wasn't what I was saying |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #325 |
326. I don't know what they picked up, I have seen ignorant men launch homophobic slurs. . . |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #326 |
328. and I was wrong. I apologize. |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #328 |
329. Again its not only women it is men. . . |
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dolphindance (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #301 |
304. No. I am straight. (n/t) |
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