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Purveyor
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Wed Apr-01-09 11:49 AM Original message |
PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama Tax Pledge Up In Smoke |
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polichick
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Wed Apr-01-09 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
1. Good, maybe a few more people will quit... |
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DJ13
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Wed Apr-01-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. They probably will |
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Teaser
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Wed Apr-01-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. You can tax my monkeysex all you want. |
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DJ13
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Wed Apr-01-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. So we should tax vegetable oil? |
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Teaser
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Wed Apr-01-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. yes. |
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davidpdx
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Fri Apr-03-09 04:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
217. monkeysex? |
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polichick
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Wed Apr-01-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Truthfully, I would gladly pay an additional gas tax of about two dollars... |
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DJ13
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Thats not a personal vice |
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polichick
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Well those aren't very bad for a person, but I'd have no problem... |
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Leftist Agitator
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
77. You do know that it costs less to care for a smoker over their lifetime than it does a nonsmoker... |
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polichick
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. LOL - that early death thing is a real money saver! Maybe you should... |
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redqueen
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. ... |
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RaleighNCDUer
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Wed Apr-01-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
66. I'd be thrilled if they would legalize, then tax the shit out of, marijuana. nt |
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flaminbats
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Wed Apr-01-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
73. good point.. |
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laugle
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
81. Yeah, what's |
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flaminbats
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #81 |
114. sorry..I don't need tobacco to survive |
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polichick
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #81 |
117. Taxing junk food isn't a bad idea... |
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joshcryer
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #117 |
143. The problem with this, like all regressive taxes, is it hurts the lower class more than anyone else. |
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polichick
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. Well, I would sure trade junk food for high-quality food and smokes for health care. |
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joshcryer
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Wed Apr-01-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #147 |
157. Too bad not one smoker is going to be helped by it. |
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flaminbats
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #143 |
148. health care is a get through the day cost.. |
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joshcryer
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Wed Apr-01-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #148 |
156. Smokers aren't even going to be helped by this program. |
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biopowertoday
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Wed Apr-01-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. you missed the point. |
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polichick
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Wed Apr-01-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. No I didn't - it's a tax that one can "quit." |
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joshcryer
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Wed Apr-01-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #52 |
160. It's basically luxurizing a non-luxury that mostly the lower class enjoy. |
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polichick
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Thu Apr-02-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #160 |
189. It's still an optional activity, and thus an optional tax... |
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joeglow3
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Thu Apr-02-09 08:00 AM Response to Reply #52 |
172. Some studies show nicotine is more addicting than herion... |
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polichick
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Thu Apr-02-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #172 |
188. My dad quit cold turkey, after growing up on a tobacco farm... |
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joeglow3
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Thu Apr-02-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #188 |
191. Fine, but I hope you are consistent with all drugs nt. |
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polichick
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Thu Apr-02-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. I'd like to see them all legal, all taxed - and help available for any user... |
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RollWithIt
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
104. I think, in the scheme of things, you are missing the greater point, that most people will not quit |
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polichick
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Actually, my dad (who was raised on a tobacco farm) quit cold turkey... |
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RollWithIt
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #105 |
120. I'm not disagreeing with the premise of the tax going to good things... |
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joshcryer
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #104 |
121. That's just *NOT* true, I know *dozens of people* who are quitting over this. |
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RollWithIt
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Wed Apr-01-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #121 |
153. See my reply #120 |
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billyoc
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Wed Apr-01-09 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
2. Remember, you don't have to pay taxes on tobacco if you order through the mail. |
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joshcryer
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
124. Customs will start cracking down on mail order cigs, you just watch. |
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billyoc
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #124 |
130. I'll be watching, alright. The more they crack down on mail order smokes, |
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joshcryer
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. Yep, with RYO taxes jumping 2400% the people will find other ways. |
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slackmaster
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
137. States require payment of "use tax" for things you buy out of state |
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joshcryer
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #137 |
141. Does anyone? Maintaining e-commerce taxes is extraoridnarily difficult. |
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billyoc
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Wed Apr-01-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #137 |
162. I will not pay "use taxes" and I advise everyone else to refuse to pay them. |
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avaistheone1
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Thu Apr-02-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #137 |
193. How do the states keep track? |
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joshcryer
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Thu Apr-02-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #193 |
204. It's basically voluntary, some e-commerce sites do add them in. |
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slackmaster
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Thu Apr-02-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #193 |
210. On most purchases there is no way to track it, compliance is mostly voluntary |
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GarbagemanLB
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Wed Apr-01-09 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
3. considering the burden they put on the healthcare system, I'm fine with taxing the crap out of them. |
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Celeborn Skywalker
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
40. Fat people put as much, if not more, of a burden on the system. |
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martymar64
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
96. Damn right, tax all those lard asses |
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joshcryer
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #96 |
138. I wanna see a 2400% tax on hamburger meat. |
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joshcryer
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #40 |
136. Also alcoholics. |
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biopowertoday
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Wed Apr-01-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
60. Your moralistic post misses the point--that Pres. Obama broke his promise. |
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mkultra
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Thu Apr-02-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #60 |
187. i guess you finally got one on him |
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Leftist Agitator
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
78. Sigh... |
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joshcryer
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #78 |
145. Yeah, it's basically a win win for the administration. However, people *will* quit due to the hike. |
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friedgreentomatoes
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Thu Apr-02-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
212. what do you say to rounding up all HIV+ people and do something with them? |
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Teaser
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Wed Apr-01-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
4. I can think of a way that the people "affected" by this can pay zero% of this tax |
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azmouse
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Wed Apr-01-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
5. Smoking killed my grandfather, father, brother... |
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davidpdx
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Fri Apr-03-09 04:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
216. It killed my dad as well at age 55 in 2003 |
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bluestateguy
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Wed Apr-01-09 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
6. A lot depends on what the definition of a campaign promise is |
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CreekDog
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Wed Apr-01-09 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
9. you don't have to pay this tax |
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redqueen
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
14. Does this qualify? |
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DJ13
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Actually I agree he broke a promise |
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redqueen
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. It seems to me you'd be in a distinct minority there. |
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DJ13
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. What ever happened to the liberal ideal of letting people live their lives |
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mkultra
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. doesnt mean your right either. |
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DJ13
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Read Obama's quote above |
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mkultra
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Wed Apr-01-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
46. i read it and understood it |
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DJ13
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Wed Apr-01-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
68. You obviously dont know the definition of the word "any" |
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mkultra
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Wed Apr-01-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #68 |
168. i don't care to equivocate to that level of minutia |
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redqueen
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. How is raising the cigarette tax telling anyone how to behave? (nt) |
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DJ13
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Surely you're not that naive? |
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redqueen
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. It's not the primary reason for the tax. Pretending it is is disingenuous. (nt) |
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DJ13
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Neither is increasing gas taxes |
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shagsak
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. lol ok |
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krispos42
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
140. It will drastically affect behavior in a predictable way. |
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redqueen
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Thu Apr-02-09 09:08 AM Response to Reply #140 |
174. That still doesn't mean it's the primary reason for the tax. |
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krispos42
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Thu Apr-02-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #174 |
196. The primary reason for the tax... |
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redqueen
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Thu Apr-02-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #196 |
200. So... you're saying Obama isn't raising taxes on the wealthy? |
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krispos42
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Thu Apr-02-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #200 |
208. I believe his tax plan includes raising the top tax brackets |
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vaberella
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Wed Apr-01-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
54. That would be good if second hand smoking didn't affect the health |
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redqueen
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Thu Apr-02-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #54 |
175. Good point. |
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Samantha
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Thu Apr-02-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
205. You are exactly right - but I don't see that as a liberal idea |
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Zynx
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
44. You have to raise revenues somewhere. The children's health program is not a one time thing. |
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flaminbats
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Wed Apr-01-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
64. AMEN!! |
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ohheckyeah
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #64 |
87. I'd love to know |
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flaminbats
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #87 |
107. in Georgia it's called the Hope Scholarship.. |
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joshcryer
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #44 |
129. Too bad in 14 states it doesn't even go to fund children because adults are using it. |
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laugle
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
85. Good point! nt |
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mkultra
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. sounds like a distortion to me. |
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redqueen
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Same here. |
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biopowertoday
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Wed Apr-01-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
47. A tax is a tax. He broke his promise. |
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redqueen
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Wed Apr-01-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
62. Yuh huh... welcome to DU. |
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DevonRex
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Wed Apr-01-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
67. Don't buy cigarettes. It's really that simple. Enjoy your stay. |
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DevonRex
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Wed Apr-01-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #47 |
69. On second thought, keep supporting the corporations that are willingly killing |
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biopowertoday
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
90. Pot calling the kettle black. you are one hijacking this |
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DevonRex
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Dude, this thread is ABOUTcigarettes. |
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biopowertoday
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. hey dudy, its about Pres. Obama breaking his pledge. Now you know. |
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DevonRex
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. If you look around, you'll find you're definitely in the minority about that. |
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biopowertoday
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #103 |
112. I am not going to follow your mentality of if the herd jumps |
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Lisalisa
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Thu Apr-02-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #103 |
185. that is the popularity fallacy |
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redqueen
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Thu Apr-02-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #185 |
186. Welcome to DU. You sure jumped in with both feet. |
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CakeGrrl
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
15. That's the AP trying to create the perception that Obama is breaking a promise |
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Overseas
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. It sure is a clear example of our conservative media jumping on any chance |
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redqueen
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Yes, that's how I see it too. (nt) |
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Deja Q
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Thu Apr-02-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
206. I'm compelled to agree; it is spin. |
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Blue-Jay
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
16. * |
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stillcool
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
20. I think we should tax booze.. |
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dionysus
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Wed Apr-01-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
151. aw hell no!!! not me 40's!!!!! |
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DevonRex
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
28. So don't smoke. Problem solved. nt |
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martymar64
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
97. Tell that to Obama, he smokes. |
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firedupdem
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #97 |
111. If he does still smoke he doesn't need a discount, he can afford his. n/t |
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martymar64
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Since he's the monarch, he probably will get them for free |
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firedupdem
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. No he's the President and people should get used to that. He |
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martymar64
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #115 |
132. I'm being facetious - I like Obama |
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firedupdem
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #132 |
142. gotcha! |
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firedupdem
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
32. If you don't go buy cigarettes you won't be affected. Really simple |
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bunnies
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
34. Whats weird is - the prices went up in my area WEEKS ago. |
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ohheckyeah
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #34 |
88. Yes they were. n/t |
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dionysus
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Thu Apr-02-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #88 |
209. not the stores... the cig companies... they dictate prices like with gas. |
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stopbush
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
35. Good. As far as the user tax affecting the poor disproportionately, |
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martymar64
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
98. You do realize cigarettes are more addictive than heroin, don't you? |
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joshcryer
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
131. Actually, the poorest people used to roll their own, which translated to about $1 a pack. |
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dionysus
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Wed Apr-01-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
150. it's approaching 10 bux now dude... |
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cherokeeprogressive
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
36. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em (it's for the children). n/t |
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MadBadger
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
37. I dont know if this qualifies as a campaign promise, but I do know this is a hit and run |
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DevonRex
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. Huh. You're right. I didn't notice until you said it. |
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redqueen
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Thu Apr-02-09 09:11 AM Response to Reply #37 |
176. Well they got a bunch of DUers to agree and defend it. |
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Avalux
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
38. WTF? This is absurd. Tobacco tax does not equate income tax. |
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Orsino
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Thu Apr-02-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
190. No, but right wingers and their apologists... |
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fifthoffive
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
39. Fair tax |
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TooRaLoo
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
41. Smart move. |
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Leftist Agitator
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
79. A whole YEAR??!! |
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ohheckyeah
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
89. What happens when |
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martymar64
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
99. Then folks can just grow their own tobacco |
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joshcryer
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Wed Apr-01-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #99 |
161. Yeah, expect a tobacco underground ala marijuana. |
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Zynx
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Wed Apr-01-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
42. If you quite smoking your taxes wouldn't go up. Mine aren't going up. |
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cottonseed
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Wed Apr-01-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
48. Idiot article. With this line of reasoning one could say cap and trade breaks the promise. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
95. Good point, but don't expect the lying M$M's cheerleaders to notice. (nt) |
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Thu Apr-02-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #48 |
183. cap and trade is a tax for the wealthy |
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Wed Apr-01-09 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
50. As a smoker |
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Wed Apr-01-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #50 |
158. I highly doubt one person in this thread would support an alcohol tax. |
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Fri Apr-03-09 02:55 AM Response to Reply #158 |
215. I'd support increasing alcohol taxes |
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Wed Apr-01-09 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
51. Impeachment is the only remedy! Smoke up, Johnny. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
53. From what |
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Wed Apr-01-09 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
55. Christ, talk about a bunch of out of context bullshit. And I'm a smoker... |
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Wed Apr-01-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
159. He said any tax. His words were very specific. He clearly indicated he wouldn't effect taxes... |
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Thu Apr-02-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #159 |
181. A tax on a product is completely unrelated to income, so you still have no point. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
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Wed Apr-01-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. See Post #15. //nt |
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Wed Apr-01-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. OMG - Limbaugh was just spewing this same garbage - wow - this might be the big guy himself. nt |
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Wed Apr-01-09 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
58. Sounds good to me. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #58 |
100. At least they don't tax marijuana |
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Wed Apr-01-09 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
59. How absurd. This tax is entirely voluntary. nt |
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Wed Apr-01-09 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
61. I can't believe you posted this bullshit article as something serious. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
65. This is not a tax on families who make under $250,000. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. While filling up the tank? |
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Wed Apr-01-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Perhaps checking the level in the tank. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
70. Yeah, but it's kind of a voluntary tax. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
71. Good. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
75. This is an easy tax to avoid |
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Wed Apr-01-09 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
76. In bizarro world, sure. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
82. can't believe that 8 assholes actually rec'd this. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I can't believe the thread isn't shut down. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. Maybe they were being ironic. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
86. Help clean up the environment and say hell no to new tax. Smoke other people's butts. n/t |
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
91. Mods mods hello!!! This is distortion of the worst order. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
92. Why wasn't booze hit with the same tax increase? |
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
101. Tobacco taxes are unfair! |
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
106. I do agree that tobacco taxes are regressive and unfair but Obama broke no pledge. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. That's inaccurate |
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #110 |
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #116 |
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #119 |
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #110 |
135. Indeed, and the vast majority of smokers? They make under $250k a year. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
108. Purveyor, you are a coward! |
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #108 |
146. I am NOT obligated to sit on this thread and defend the topic. This is an AP article |
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Thu Apr-02-09 09:14 AM Response to Reply #146 |
177. Why not state your take on the 'article'? |
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
109. Are they taxing alcohol too? n/t |
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #109 |
118. Good idea. Pot too, as soon as they legalize it. All these things are optional... |
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Wed Apr-01-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #109 |
123. Heresay! |
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Thu Apr-02-09 09:15 AM Original message |
Did you mean 'heresy'? |
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #109 |
126. Just wondered as alcohol can cause some health problems too. n/t |
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #126 |
139. Alcohol isn't as addictive and most people don't (can't) use it as a vice. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
125. The only "fair" tax is one that affects everyone...tax toilet paper... |
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #125 |
128. Bu...bu.. toilet paper is a "necessity"! |
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #127 |
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #127 |
144. And may I just add that it is extremely dishonest for you to attack me without giving the context. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #144 |
163. No I didn't. I said you thought it was fair criticism. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. But when you just say that without giving the context it leaves a false impression |
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Wed Apr-01-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #164 |
166. My post was deleted because you can't link to other posts. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #166 |
169. Actually you should have been honest and not taken words completely out of context. |
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Thu Apr-02-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #169 |
173. You see dissent here, I see people backing up corporate media spin. |
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Thu Apr-02-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #173 |
178. You will also have to agree to quit making me an issue in threads that have nothing to do with me. |
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Thu Apr-02-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #178 |
179. Narcissistic much? You're not the only person |
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Thu Apr-02-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #169 |
184. The issue of dissent is not global in scope |
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Fri Apr-03-09 01:54 AM Response to Reply #184 |
213. "Everyone has a right ot dissent." |
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Wed Apr-01-09 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
149. I'm a smoker and can't say I'm exactly happy about this, but to be fair |
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Wed Apr-01-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #149 |
154. Not really, they don't live as long (and die before health care becomes an issue). |
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Thu Apr-02-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #154 |
180. Oh, that's bullshit |
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Thu Apr-02-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #154 |
182. people who smoke recieve more serious and expensive health care |
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Wed Apr-01-09 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
152. Um, I don't think he meant this when he said "no new taxes". |
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Wed Apr-01-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. He should not have used the word 'any' in his blanket statement, imo. |
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Wed Apr-01-09 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
165. April fools! |
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Wed Apr-01-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #165 |
167. Obama vetoes SCHIP |
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Wed Apr-01-09 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
170. Fail. People can quit anytime nft |
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Wed Apr-01-09 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
171. Excellent. More regressive taxes. |
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Thu Apr-02-09 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
194. I find your title deceptive |
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Thu Apr-02-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #194 |
197. I think he should tax internet usage. |
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Thu Apr-02-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #197 |
199. I wouldn't mind a tax |
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Thu Apr-02-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #199 |
203. No, just usage. |
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Thu Apr-02-09 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
195. My dad quit cold turkey so you all can piss off. |
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Thu Apr-02-09 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
198. Article distorts the truth |
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Thu Apr-02-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #198 |
201. This same 'article' is posted in another thread... |
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Thu Apr-02-09 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
202. Sounds like you tuned in to Glenn Beck |
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Thu Apr-02-09 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
207. we gotta pay for children's health care. n/t |
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Thu Apr-02-09 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
211. Oh bullshit. By that absolute standard a rise in state or local tax would make him a liar. |
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Fri Apr-03-09 02:07 AM Response to Original message |
214. Good, smokers should pay more |
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Fri Apr-03-09 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
218. Why are the poor more likely to smoke than the rich? |
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