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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 08:57 AM Original message |
Never, EVER, reach out to bigots! They NEVER change. Right? No? Maybe? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
1. Reaching out is one thing; giving prominence to is quite another. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. A Supreme Court position is not prominent? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Got me there! |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Was he a noted bigot when selected for Supreme Court Justice? |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. He was being opportunistic, as was Wallace, and as is Warren |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. But, you used Black as an example. Was he being opportunistic? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #13 |
58. Obama playing chess? |
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yowzayowzayowza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
85. One symbolic sacrifice of two minutes of generic inclusion to foment... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Sure. |
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yowzayowzayowza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. n/t |
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NWHarkness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Was Black in the Klan when he was appointed? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #3 |
24. Black was not spreading hate speech at the time |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #24 |
43. Very interesting perspective. I believe it's a gradual process |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #43 |
54. Interesting how you dissemble whe it turns out Black was not in the Klan |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #43 |
61. But the actual point |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
113. LOL, but there's no evidence this change can or will take place, but toss teh gays under the bus |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
83. The point is well-taken... |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. I was just about to post the exact same sentiment |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Reaching out, yes. But not when it's MY personal issue being addressed. Hypocrite. |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. How am I being hypocritical? n/t |
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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
89. How on earth is theat hypocritical? nt |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
117. civil rights are someone else's personal issue? i know this is true for a few here... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
25. that is the most ludicrous attempts at masking hypocrisy. Like having a Peace Summit is more |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
81. WTH is your problem?? I'm only reiterating the stance of the President-elect, who said he'd "reach |
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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
90. bullshit. It's not "just a two minute parayer"...it's a two minute prayer on NATIONAL TELEVISION in |
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pnorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
63. Yes, reach out to Rick Warren. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
82. Tell it to Obama. |
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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
88. thank you for that, it was exactly what I was thinking when I read the OP. If Obama wants to reach |
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RollWithIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
165. WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? Who did they choose to meet with? THE ENEMY! |
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santamargarita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
2. Throw shoes at them, spit on them but never reach out to them! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. Should we spit on all people who oppose marriage equality? |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #18 |
37. I think santamargarita was being ironic |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
4. You really need to go on ignore now |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. No, actually I'm trying to inform people of the real history of the civil rights movement |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. I guess it makes us wonder at your actual intent, here. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. "to inform people? really?" - yes |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #17 |
32. gee...then tell us all about |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #17 |
51. did I use the word "homophobe"? nope. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #51 |
62. I wasn't referring to you |
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santamargarita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. I enjoyed your post, thanks... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
30. And people twisting MLK and Ghandi's real words and intent by trying to mask their own hate |
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Veruca Salt (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
80. I'm going take a lesson from you and do the same... |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
5. People don't necessarily change because you reach out to them... |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
49. Honor them when they earn that honor - and turn away from bigotry. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
95. I am grateful to the people who did not "turn away" from me or my |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #95 |
115. aren't you gratefull they didn;t give you a slot on national tv when you were a bigot? |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
8. Byrd is still a raging homophobe. I am sure in the C-SPAN |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Byrd |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #23 |
35. You have no damned idea what Senator Byrd does in private. |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Glad to see... |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #35 |
71. he still uses the n-word in public. in private? no way. nt. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #23 |
39. Interesting perspective. I've only been in W. Va. once |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Perhaps... |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #39 |
65. They never met a Black man they didn't like. And never liked a Black man they didn't meet. |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #39 |
170. Well, that's actually part of the problem... |
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Matt_in_STL (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
33. Really? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #8 |
74. Would you please not elevate Warren's platform. |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
11. Yeah, you know, it's really impossible for greedy, bigoted, small-minded people to change. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:27 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. ROFL -- what a "season appropriate" comparison! nt |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #11 |
21. He didn't change because people around him reached out to him, because they did. |
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WritingIsMyReligion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #21 |
38. You don't think the ghosts didn't, in a way, reach out to him? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
12. I'm really not supportive of your point |
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PerpetuallyDazed (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
41. I cannot speak for the OP, but I've had the "twisting myself into a pretzel" accusation hurled |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Of coures some do both -- there have been posts AND OPs about both |
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PerpetuallyDazed (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Well, I shouldn't claim to know where one's heart lies |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Of course I question that -- not everyone on here is liberal, or even a DEm |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. "or even a DEm" -- How true. Some DUers have even set up anti-Democratic Party websites nt |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #41 |
56. Obama's not honoring Warren -- he's putting the squeeze on him. |
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yowzayowzayowza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
87. Precisely, an expected byproduct of the inclusion policy... |
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JohnnyLib2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
15. I appreciate the long term perspective and hope |
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alwysdrunk (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
26. Great post |
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S_E_Fudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
29. Good job... |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
31. Hugo Black Knew He Was In Service to ALL AMERICANS When He Traded White Robes for Black Robes |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
34. Byrd is ludricrious to have in there as is Hugo Black |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Uhhh |
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Zuiderelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
46. Oh for fuck's sake. We really need this right now. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. He must have gotten a new straw man for Christmas. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
47. Negotiate politically and honor them AFTER they change. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
48. Having George Wallace give the Keynote Speech at the Democratic Convention |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Remember the time MLK invited Wallace to the Ebenezer Church to speak? |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. You probably don't know as much about Wallace as you think. He became popular with African Americans |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. right over your head |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
60. Kick and recommended. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
64. Then find any racist you can and befriend them. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. I've had many racist friends, although that's not the point |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Odd, because I don't have any racist friends. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Well, no wonder you are so naive |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. How the other side thinks? And you call ME naive? |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. What a very sad view you have |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Surrounded by people I can respect and who respect me, sure. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. I see your grown up work for gay marriage a lot. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #72 |
118. while it's unfortunate you grew up in a cess pool of racism being FORCED to accept it... |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #118 |
129. I think he wouldn't have a problem with Rosa Parks sitting in the back of the bus. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #69 |
100. Thank goodness people didn't consider me unworthy of befriending. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. Were you openly racist? |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Yes, I was openly racist. You wouldn't believe the things I thought |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. And you said these things directly to or around nonwhite people? |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Of course I did. I thought there was nothing wrong with it, so why |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Good, then you're the exception. |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:52 PM Response to Reply #106 |
150. It's true, because I was the King of Scotland at the time. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #150 |
159. Hmm, been hitting the eggnog already, eh? Happy holidays. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. See my post #94 on the subject. nt |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 07:33 AM Response to Reply #100 |
155. Your posts in this thread are amazing! Thank you so much! nt |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
96. You speak the TRUTH. If every black person ignored every racist... |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #96 |
103. There's a huge difference between ignoring and befriending. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #103 |
112. Exactly. And one cannot befriend someone if they are ignoring them. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. You said "if every black person ignored every racist," not ignored every white person. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #114 |
126. You misunderstand. In my case, *I* was the bigot |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #126 |
160. Exactly. That is how it was for many of us. nt |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #96 |
119. Oh. My. God. Thank. You !!!!!!! |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #119 |
144. Indeed. I did Dallas with a school chum. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
66. I love that you included George Wallace. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. "It's the only thing that finally worked for Wallace!" -- actually, no. See post 55. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. You're losing your own argument HamdenRice |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
70. Robert Byrd is still a disgusting racist and homophobe. nt. |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
79. I'll tell you honestly |
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Cheap_Trick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
84. Isn't there a DU'er who was once a Aryan Nation skinhead? |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #84 |
97. FANTASTIC point |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. I changed, too. I wasn't a skinhead, but I changed drastically. It can happen. nt |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #97 |
116. did DU highlight his bigot diaries? send racist threads to the greatest? no? then what was ur point? |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #116 |
127. If I could understand what your point is... |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #127 |
132. because the difference between a former bigot and a currently practicing one is LOST ON YOU? |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #127 |
133. Did the ex-skinhead DUer influence this site *while* he was a skinhead? |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. IF Grandma had balls, she'd be Grandpa |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. Rick Warren is a bigot NOW, so my analogy stands. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. Who reaches out is the issue now?? |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. what sounds stupid is that you are confusing bestowing an honor with reaching out.... |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. In this thread, it certainly is. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. Starbucks, it appears that we even have a different opinion of what this thread is about! |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. The OP was abundantly clear about what his post was about. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #143 |
145. It is about both!! Sweet Jesus! |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. No, I think people wanting civil rights shouldn't reach out to those that hate them. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 07:17 AM Response to Reply #146 |
154. Thank goodness people like you didn't lead the civil rights movement or the ANC! nt |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #154 |
158. If you led it, Rosa Parks would still be on the back of the bus. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #158 |
162. good Lord, you are lecturing an African American who participated in the anti-apartheid struggle in |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. Deleted sub-thread |
bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #134 |
137. thee inaugural's moved t the West Village?!? Omigod, I am so sorry then- you actually have a point! |
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Cheap_Trick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 04:31 AM Response to Reply #116 |
153. Uh, the POINT of my post was that people CAN change. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #84 |
120. Yeah, my good buddy, GhostintheMachine |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
91. Elevating someone on a national stage is not reaching out to bigots. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
92. If Warren were interested in judicial law that might be different... |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
94. I changed. And... |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. Nice Post.....People like you make the world a better place.... |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Thank you honorary jen!!! If there is one thing I am proud about, |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
99. Change for some is inevitable, but someone/something has to reach them: The Road To Damascus |
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yowzayowzayowza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
104. Thx, K&R and a few quotes on enemies: |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
111. when did Warren stop being a bigot? Oh, it;s another false analogy- big fucking suprise there.. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #111 |
122. the analogies above did NOT change with their first encounters.. they changed over time |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. and the sad thing is, the OP os trying to "educate" us about "history" using false analogies |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. all analogies are less than perfect by definition. but I don't see anything false |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. he's comparing giving a post to a former bigot to honoring a currently practicing bigot. it;s bull |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. these people were not FORMER bigots when interaction began -.they were still practicing bigots |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #135 |
138. back to Black, Hugo. who was a former bigot when appointed to the court. making this OP BULLSHIT |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
121. Is it still 1937? |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
123. K & R. Hatred (of Warren) begets more hatred. Abe Lincoln "got it". |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #123 |
147. Abe Lincoln indeed 'got it', as in: got it in the head. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. I was too young at the time to remember clearly. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #123 |
164. Protests honoring bigots is time honored. |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
128. When Warren becomes an Ex-Bigot then your analogy will be valid. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. exactly! |
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Pushed To The Left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
148. If Rick Warren had been anti-LGBT in the past , but had since reformed, I would have had no problem |
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RollWithIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #148 |
166. How do you know 2 months from now he will have changed his mind? |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
151. Very good examples, even Etheridge is willing to talk and sh'e no-ones fool from> |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
152. Depends on the bigot and the circumstances. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
156. I think it is entirely possible that Obama and his strategists wanted this controversy... |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #156 |
157. Unfortunately you might be right. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #157 |
161. I hear what you are saying but... |
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Two Sheds (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
167. Bigots change for the better all the time. That being said... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #167 |
168. "no incentive to change even if he were inclined" |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
169. Until they change, never give them legitimacy and a platform to spread their hate |
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Spectral Music (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
171. Don't give a bigot a podium until he is converted. When Rick Warren sees the light about gays then.. |
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