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liberalmike27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 09:41 AM Original message |
Braun, Sharpton, and Kucinich, Dean's Nader Group |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. A very thoughtful post. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
2. a very thoughtful post, true |
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liberalmike27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 10:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. I agree Mopinko |
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bearfartinthewoods (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-04 07:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
98. the candidate that is a lot like Kucinich. |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
3. NO |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 10:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Democracy? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 10:32 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Of course they should, until... |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 10:39 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. but thats not what this post called for |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 10:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. No disagreement. |
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KaraokeKarlton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. No, the poster was talking about Iowa, which is a caucus state |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:43 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Dennis can keep other candidates from getting 15% |
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KaraokeKarlton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:49 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Dean is Dean, regardless of what Kucinich does |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:51 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. as opposed to Dean who will make the war longer? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Dean panders, while DK has heartfelt changes, right? |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 12:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. i understand what you are saying |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 12:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. I'll concede your latter point. |
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diamondsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-04 12:07 AM Response to Reply #30 |
88. Well said, Padraig. |
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KaraokeKarlton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 04:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
64. Kucinich is being unrealistic about being able to get out in 90 days |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. The gist of it is |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 12:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Do you live in Iowa? |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 12:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Isn't likely to get 15%? |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
31. I'll go to the caucus |
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KaraokeKarlton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:25 AM Original message |
Actually, Iowa caucus goers can support both of them |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
36. Dean supporters will also get a second choice |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
46. "realistically" according to whom? |
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democraticgator (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
4. vote your heart |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
5. Maybe the people in FL did know it was close and the only people who voted |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 04:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
67. nonsense |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
6. Nader just called Dean a run-of-the-mill Democrat |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
8. I would dispute the notion |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
9. Ralph Nader -- |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
10. these are the primaries |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
15. Haha |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
16. When Dean switches from status-quo to substantive-change, then let's talk |
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KaraokeKarlton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Oh Dean will make changes |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Actually, Dean would not be my first choice |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
55. After yesterday's debate |
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AnAmerican (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-04 07:47 AM Response to Reply #16 |
82. Thanks Mairead... |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
17. Um, NO, there are primaries |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:20 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. If Dean was even close to Kucinich I'd support him, but he's NOT. |
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KaraokeKarlton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:39 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. You know what |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:53 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Too many supporters of all candidates enjoy their role of victim |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 01:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
44. Dean IS mean and governed as a compromising centrist. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 01:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Kerry mocked the left at the beginning of this campaign |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 04:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
65. OMG, that's WAY worse than Dean scorning liberals for ELEVEN YEARS. |
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Gretchen (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 03:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
62. there are real reasons Dean is not like Dennis |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. good point! |
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Ficus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
19. Will caucus for DK |
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KaraokeKarlton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:45 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. What has Gephardt done to fix NAFTA and WTO? |
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Ficus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 12:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. I thought Dean |
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KaraokeKarlton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 04:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
68. Dean believes NAFTA left something crucial out |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 04:26 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. NAFTA cannot be meaningfully reformed |
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Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-04 07:29 AM Response to Reply #72 |
81. Not true |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-04 10:07 AM Response to Reply #81 |
86. no, it cannot |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-04 01:28 PM Response to Reply #81 |
93. Ask yourself: |
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AnAmerican (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-04 08:02 AM Response to Reply #68 |
83. Ummmm, reality check. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-04 01:31 PM Response to Reply #83 |
94. "No changes can be made to NAFTA without WTO approval" |
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Ficus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. Gephardt has more union support |
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KaraokeKarlton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 04:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
69. Dean has more than just the AFSCME and SEIU |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 04:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
70. DL has a lousy record on civil rights, women and chilrens justice |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
29. IA Greens: Point the gun away from your foot... |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 12:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Don't assume Dean is second choice for progressives |
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MuseRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 01:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. Exactly |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. He ranks below Lieberman? |
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MuseRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. As much as I dislike |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Dean is last on my list because he's the MOST dishonest candidate. |
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ThirdWheelLegend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-04 03:07 AM Response to Reply #66 |
78. Dean is tied for last with Lieberman on my list. |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-04 10:49 AM Response to Reply #47 |
89. Ditto, Muse. We don't need Bush Lite. We especially don't need |
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nancyharris (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
37. Statement makes no sense |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 12:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Ah the transparency |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-04 10:51 AM Response to Reply #37 |
90. Likewise not, Nancy. I can't imagine what they can be smoking |
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funky_bug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
41. Informed Voter |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
43. Give me a break! |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
45. But if the 300,000 Dems in FL who voted for Shrub had voted for Gore... |
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maha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 01:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Re IA caucus, the question is |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 02:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. F*!@% the polls |
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maha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 02:12 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Of course, we might be surprised. |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Here's something to speculate on: |
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maha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 04:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
71. A Caucus is not a primary |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. IF, not when |
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iowapeacechief (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. Iowa 15 percent? |
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maha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. Correlations |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 02:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Funny, isn't it? |
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cyclezealot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
48. Not sure I agree. |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
53. I'd rather sellout for kerry |
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windansea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
57. got a degree in cat herding?? |
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ThirdWheelLegend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
60. How to make this short and sweet? |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-04 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
74. check this out , then try to tell me I waste a vote for DK |
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ThirdWheelLegend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-04 03:04 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Why waste a vote on Dean when you can vote Kucinich! |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-04 04:06 AM Response to Original message |
79. No way, Jose! Everyone should vote his/her HEART in the primary. |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-04 06:18 AM Response to Original message |
80. so you don't believe that Gore won FL? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-04 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
84. No, thank you. |
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Polemonium (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-04 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
85. I too am a green who supports Dean |
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AnAmerican (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-04 11:59 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Spreading fear should be left to Rove et al...... |
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Polemonium (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-04 10:57 PM Response to Reply #87 |
100. There is evidence that all of the campaigns have at times |
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nancyharris (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-04 01:25 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. You can label yourself any way you want |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-04 01:58 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Kucinich Addressed the National Campus Greens Convention |
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Polemonium (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-04 11:25 PM Response to Reply #92 |
101. It's not a label |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-04 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
91. Dean sets off my snake oil detector |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. There are many who feel exactly as you do. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-04 07:30 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. May I add |
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tinanator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-04 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
99. what took you so long? |
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