Team Clinton; People don't understand the context or the intrterpretation ...

[Botany]

... of what Hillary said about Kennedy and the primary.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/23/clinton.comments/index.html

Clinton's campaign manager, Maggie Williams, told CNN's Wolf Blitzer that people may have "misinterpreted what she meant."

"It was clear to anybody watching her this afternoon that she was ... deeply regretful, and people did not understand the context in which she made this reference, and so I think that she immediately, as soon as she could, spoke out to express her regret for ... perhaps the way that she had spoken or the people had misinterpreted what she meant," Williams said.

Clinton made a similar reference to Robert Kennedy in a March interview with Time magazine Managing Editor Richard Stengel, saying she could not envision a scenario in which party leaders would step in and call for the race to end.

"I think people have short memories," she said then. "Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual."

[RazBerryBeret]

1. get it...

so it's my fault that I "misinterpreted" her words...
hmmm..interesting, but I'm not buying it...

[Botany]

7. egg zack lee

it is all your fault .... mine too.

<"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere
in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.
I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.>

There is no excuse .... no apology ..... no f***ing thing that can happen from Hillary or
her people outside of getting out of the race and getting out of the Senate and never
ever showing her face in public again. She is a lawyer and should know better than to
ever say anything so awful .... I'll hang around in case Obama is shot and the party needs
a person to jump in. That is exactly what she was saying.

[PoliticalAmazon]

38. No misinterpreting. After flaming up America's bigots to the point....

...where they are quite proud to act out their bigotry and brag about it in front of a TV camera, she then sends a shout-out to assassins, reminding them that another politician, RFK, had won the primary but couldn't run in the GE because he was assassinated, .

Hillary's intent is quite clear: she would accept assasination of Obama if it meant that she could go on to the GE as the Dem Party candidate.

There is a Wiccan concept that what one does come backs to one ten-fold, and that's what I wish to Hillary: May what you wished for will come back to you ten-fold.

[RazBerryBeret]

42. eek...I just hope when it comes back to her

she isn't in the state of Ohio, cause "ten-fold" would be some pretty major shit....

[dchill]

43. No, we are ALL to blame.

The biggest bunch of misinterpreters and character assassins you ever saw. Or not.

[RazBerryBeret]

45. it's like my mom used to say...

when every one else is wrong and you're the ONLY one who's right, you may want to rethink it! hahaha!

[dchill]

46. Well maybe your mom was WRONG!

'Cause Hillary's mom always told her that even if everybody else said she was losing, she was really winning! :)

[RazBerryBeret]

47. hey, maybe my mom

can call Hillary! I bet she could talk some sense into her...

[madaboutharry]

2. Hillary Clinton has a real problem admitting

that she made a mistake and making sincere apologies.

[movonne]

6. I think she wants this nomination so bad there is nothing she and

her minions wouldn't do to get it..just listen to her supporters here defending her...I cannot give her the benefit of the doubt this time.

[MADem]

3. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual

Except to people who don't get US history.

[AllentownJake]

5. Primaries in 1968

started in March and there were only 15 of them. I get US History just fine.

By the way...is South Dakota now California?

[havocmom]

14. No, no! My Montana is the BIG June prize! Nothing matters until I vote!!!!11!

Using history as a crutch for HRC's pugnacious and belligerent attitude this late in the race would be funny if it weren't so sad in demonstrating either ignorance of the NOW or determination to use any spin to try to make lame excuses and avoid the ugly truth about Hillary.

[WA98296]

18. The precise QUESTION was: You don’t buy the party unity argument?

EB: You don’t buy the party unity argument?

HRC" I don’t, because again, I’ve been around long enough. You know my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere around the middle of June

EB: June

HRC: We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. Um you know I just I don’t understand it. There’s lots of speculation about why it is.

[MADem]

20. Obama certainly isn't buying it, either. No one "buys it" at this stage.

It may, or may NOT, be "bought" at the Convention.

But right now, everyone is still jockeying for position. That's politics.

[MADem]

19. CA was the last one.

We are down to the wire, now.

That was her point.

You'd have to figure that three-plus contests today, combined, equalled ONE back then, since they only had fifteen total and we have more than fifty.

[AllentownJake]

32. Except that

California is the biggest contest. MT, and SD, and PR aren't even 1/2 of CA.

[MADem]

33. So what? The point wasn't which state was biggest, the point was

that it is JUNE and we are down to the wire. And a floor fight looms. Like it did in sixty eight.

If you want to play it line by line with sixty eight, let's have a look at the states that were primary states back then, and who WON them--this time:

California/Clinton
Oregon/Obama
Nebraska/Obama
South Dakota--JUNE 3
Wisconsin/Obama
Illinois/Obama
Indiana/Clinton
Ohio/Clinton
Pennsylvania/Clinton
New Jersey/Clinton
Massachusetts/Clinton
New Hampshire/Clinton
Florida/Clinton

Gee, is that terribly instructive? It's good news .... for CLINTON. If we were playing it line for line.

You can get TOO far down in the weeds, you know. The point was JUNE. A load of pouters took a molehill and turned it into Kilimanjaro to suit their own smear/sexism/dumbass agenda. It was a rather history-free stunt, too, and a display of real ignorance. Not their finest hour.

[AllentownJake]

34. Sexism?

You guys never get off that meme do you.

Thatcher, Meir, Bhutto, and Ghandi never acted like this.

[MADem]

52. And "you guys" can't seem to ACCEPT that a woman would have the "balls" to

compare her campaign to that of another Senator from New York who happened to be a man.

Thatcher, Meir, Bhutto and Ghandi weren't viciously insulted with childish invective, called sexist names, and didn't face the vitriol of the "immature, insecure American"--of both genders-- who is frightened of powerful and capable women. So your argument doesn't fly. See, even in countries where women followed more traditional roles, their poppulations weren't FRIGHTENED of the prospect of a woman in power. Which IS the case here.

Look around this board, at the idiotic pictures, the verbal insults, the disgraceful posts. This place looks like a rightwing nuthouse at times, with all the Shrillary, Hitlery, cackle, cankles crap.

May no one ever have their mother, sister, wife or daughter treated in such a fashion.

[Botany]

8. This is not about History

This is about I'll hang around in case Obama is shot or something.

[MADem]

21. Well, we' ll put YOU in the "Don't know much about history" column.

Read RFK JR's statement. Or don't. You don't seem to find facts an impediment.

That was a pretty clueless comment, especially since she was comparing HERSELF to RFK--not OBAMA. Pat yourself on the back.

[Botany]

23. I know history thank you

I was offered a History Scholarship (Partial) to College.

RFK Jr's statement in no way mitagates what Hillary said ....
and this was not the first time she said it either. She is a lawyer
who should know better than to say such a thing. Guess the
Sniper fire in Bosnia rattled her brain.

[MADem]

31. You will forgive me if I er, DISBELIEVE you.

Your posts simply do not support your assertions. Or perhaps it was that same college Larry, Moe and Curly attended. Or maybe you've forgotten a lot over the years.

Your pride in your lack of knowledge is interesting.

You can insist that RFK Jr's statement doesn't mitigate, but you're wrong. He said you were wrong.

Facts are persistent things. You don't have your facts in order.

What you "believe" doesn't hold sway here. Facts do.

[RazBerryBeret]

10. Have you heard Howard Dean talk about his race in 04?

he has stated that it took him THREE months of working hard to get his supporters to back Kerry. and that primary was NOT as heated as this one....and I believe Dean worked harder than we would expect Hillary to work for it...that's part of US history.

[MADem]

22. Dean's organizaton SUCKED. His supporters, especially the young ones, were every bit as

rude, hectoring and bellicose as many Obama supporters....only DEAN had LOUSY organization.

It's hard to make anything happen when your organization sucks. It's hard to make anything happen when your supporters are infatuated with a "persona" too--like those Orange Hat punks were with Dean. The regular old pragmatic schmucks, like ME, flipped over to Kerry without any problem, and straightaway, too.

Dean was working FOR something, you know. And he got it (after a massive fight, but he got it). It's the job he holds now.

[cali]

51. lol. YOU objecting to hectoring and bellicose?

:rofl:

Rich.

[MADem]

54. Look, just because you are incapable of debate, I refuse to "dumb down" my discussions

of the issues to make it easier for you to digest.

What's "rich" is your failure to address what I said, and instead, toss a snarky remark at me.

Never mind the subject at hand...make it PERSONAL. It's what you do so well.

Oh wait...

Here's one for you:

:rofl:

[havocmom]

11. This year is different as the only elections yet to be held in June are very low delegate elections

The BIG states are long over and done, so 'history' does not hold water with the new realities of this season.

[MADem]

29. Three or more contests now is worth one contest back then.

They had fifteen, we had fifty plus.

It's not about the order, or even the size of the states....it is about taking it to the convention. "ON to Denver" instead of "ON to Chicago" is the point. Had RFK not been murdered, he would have been in the same situation Clinton finds herself in.

[havocmom]

39. These three DO NOT come close to equaling Calif, then or now

She is NOT hanging on for the few delegates available. She isn't gonna get many of the few still available and her own campaign knows it.

Piffle, your rationalizations do not hold up to the light of day. Hillary is biding her time waiting for a tragedy and that is blatantly obvious. She and McAuliffe's strategy is now down to hoping to steal from the dead. They are ghouls and should be out of public life for the rest of theirs.

[MADem]

53. You are being obtuse.

The point is, the END of the primary season is happening. IN JUNE.

There is no nominee yet. NO ONE has enough votes to secure it.

A floor fight is looming.

That was the point.

It doesn't have to be point-for-point EQUAL between sixty eight and now.

If it were, the nominee would be Clinton. And we wouldn't be having this discussion.


Uh, I am not rationalizing. I'm giving you simple facts. You respond with hyperbole. Said hyperbole does not change the facts I have provided.

[City Lights]

4. Methinks Maggie Williams has a short memory for continuing to

draw parallels between the 1968 primary and this one. Either that, or she's clueless.

[sandnsea]

9. They started later and were decided by the party bosses

There's no comparison between 1968 and 2008. NONE.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6103773&mesg_id=6103773

[gristy]

12. my bad!

I certainly am glad that she regrets that I misunderstood wtf she meant. In fact, I still don't know what she meant. Certainly none of her explanations make any more sense to me than her original comment. But I digress - she says that she regrets that I can't understand, and so I feel so much better now - I was feeling really really stupid before. :freak:

[rufus dog]

13. Her objective is to move the goal post to June

And then move it to the convention. She is very aware of what she is doing.

[havocmom]

16. or until some tragedy lets her win by default

She went too fucking far and there is no way back from the hole she dug herself.

[BlooInBloo]

15. The cover-up effectively RE-COMMITS the original crime...

Sigh. Some people just never learn.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

17. an insensitive thing to say not once but 3 times

there was no need to repeat it

[kevinmc]

24. "Team Clinton; People don't understand the context.....".....

Guess you have to understand Moronese.

[backscatter712]

25. I understand the context plainly.

Hillary can go to hell.

She is not forgiven. And I have a very long memory.

[reflection]

28. Here's the context.

"Nice campaign you got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it."

[Skip Intro]

26. The editorial board to which she made the comment, and RFK Jr agree with Team Clinton on this.

That's good enough for me.

[Buck Rabbit]

27. Poor Sweetie, she sounds bitter. Karma is a bitch.

[Darth_Kitten]

30. Methinks a lot of people need to learn how to read properly.

Sad.

[CreekDog]

35. i thought Hillary was an expert politician

why would she go and say stuff that almost everybody would misinterpret? :eyes:

[EFerrari]

36. "You don't understand" is how you begin to twirl.

If you want to spin something, that would be "Start".

[Big Blue Marble]

37. There, there, its all better now.

See CNN fixed it. It was all a misunderstanding. Nothing like the Rev. Wright or Bittergate stories that lasted for weeks with show after
show; Anderson Cooper and Larry King and The Situation Room going over and over the same details again and again. Not this time!
According to CNN, there is nothing here. Move along; this is not the story you are looking for. Why magically over the holiday weekend
it will just fade aaaaaaaaaaaway.

[fortyfeetunder]

40. Oh really?

I kind of like Spike Lee's analogy

You are on the losing side of a basketball game, 10 points down with seconds left in the game. What do you do to stall for time-commit a foul, invoke time outs?

Hillary is on that losing team, her expenses are bleeding in the red, it will be a miracle to get votes and she is acting on desperation thinking something miraculous is going to happen in June.

Hillary: what is really going to happen in June -- is your campaign is over, and that Senate seat calls you back to continue your work.

[WeDidIt]

41. In other words SHE'S NOT SORRY SHE SAID IT AND SHE'LL SAY IT AGAIN

The woman is PURE EVIL!

[Willo]

44. "...people have short memories..." but "We all remember..."

Yep, clear as a bell.

[Honeycombe8]

48. I guess they think we're all "uneducated" white working class nitwits who don't

understand basic language and thought processes.

We get it, all right, Mrs. Clinton. We get it. You're waiting for a catastrophe, like Obama getting killed. We get it. (We already knew what you were waiting for, of course, but who would've thought you'd be stupid enuf to say it....twice?)

[Garbo 2004]

49. Bill had clear sailing to nom after Tsongas dropped out in March. '68 sched/process not comparable

to 2008. Caucuses/primaries began in March, ended in June and '68 nominee did not even compete in any primary election.

[stillcool]

50. Perhaps she can come up with another...

example of the "catastrophic event' that will hand her the nomination...
the sky will open, the light will come down, a lightening bolt will strike Senator Obama, and the celestial choirs will be singing my name.

Clinton campaign on ropes

BY JOHN GUERRIERO
Published: May 08. 2008 6:00AM
Murray, who has supported Bill and Hillary Clinton since 1991, said these are tough times for people like him who are in the Clinton camp but want to unify the party.

"The sense is, absent some catastrophic event that would take place in this campaign, it's going to be very difficult to see a path to victory for Hillary given what happened" Tuesday, Murray said.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080508/NEWS02/805080437

Sun May 11, 2008
Analysis: Could Clinton land the VP nomination?

Several Clinton associates say there is still a ray of hope among some in her campaign: that a "catastrophic" revelation about Obama might make it possible for her to win the presidential nomination. But barring that, Hillary and Bill Clinton recognize that her candidacy is being abandoned and rejected by superdelegates whom she once expected to win over and that, even if she were to win the popular vote in combined primary states, she will almost certainly be denied the nomination.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/10/bernstein.clinton/index.html?section=cnn_latest

CBSNews.com Reports: N.Y. Senator Now Faces Nearly Impossible Odds To Capturing Democratic Nomination
May 7, 2008

Clinton's Path To Victory Slipping Away
There is one scenario which does work for Clinton and that’s a massive movement of superdelegates leaving Obama and supporting her. The party leaders could do that, but it would take some unforeseen development in the race between now and the convention for them to do so. Obama, in some way, would have to be rendered so unelectable that the party rejects him at the convention. That’s not much to hang a hat on but it’s starting to look like her best option.

And even that might not be a viable option, said Joe Trippi. “Even if the catastrophic thing existed or happened, if she were perceived to have caused it, I think it would end her campaign too,” Trippi said. I don’t think there’s any way now for her to gain the nomination. She’s at the point now where if she tries to make a case against Obama, it will actually speed up superdelegates joining his cause just to shut the campaign down.”

But Trippi notes that the Obama campaign and Democratic leaders are still likely to give Clinton the room she needs to go forward on her own terms, provided that she does so in a positive manner. “I think there’s lots of tolerance for her going on, running the table into the convention and having a presence there,” he said. “But if she actually tries to compete in the trenches for the nomination in a way that looks like it’s damaging the nominee … I don’t think there will be any tolerance for that at all.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/politics/main4078586.shtml

[Irishonly]

55. When Her Husband Ran

the California primary was in June and his winning in California didn't have that much of an impact. Brown was done in April. The Iowa caucus was not right after New Years and Super Tuesday was in March. Until the states started playing leap frog to make their votes count the primary started later. I guess the Clinton campaign assumes no one remembers enough history to challenge their stats.

The Clinton camp wants to blame her failure on the Obama camp, IMHO. Senator Clinton has spoken several times stating the Obama camp has called for her to drop out. Her supporters parrot the same but I have not heard an Obama official say it nor have I been able to find a link. People sure do like to read in between the lines.

Senator Obama has shown grace and dignity throughout the Kennedy remarks. There is no way I will ever believe that Senator Clinton didn't understand the implication of what she was saying and I am NOT saying she was hoping Obama would be assassinated.

[DeschutesRiver]

56. No more presidents

who can't admit mistakes, refuse to listen to what our nation wants and instead insist on their own agenda, who call the electorate stupid, who will wage wars/obliterate people that offend them, that seek to turn their elected office into something more akin to a freaking dictatorship. That is Hillary Clinton's agenda, and it won't happen in my country.

Hillary is actually Bush's third term candidate.