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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:05 PM Original message |
Obama should Come out in Favor of seating ALL Delegates in Florida |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. He will, don't worry. |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. There must be a penalty |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. He's going to be the nominee, so lets just put it behind us. |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. I think this is more about following rules than what SDs may think |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. delete |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Taking away their superdelegates is an option, but not one Obama should openly support. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
55. Every voter should be counted and not punished for party leadership. |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #55 |
83. Nomination selection/primaries and General elections are not the same thing. |
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s0ulablaze (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #55 |
108. OK, so what's your solution for doing it fairly? |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 07:48 AM Response to Reply #18 |
113. even though my rep Rob Wexler's SD status |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. They should follow the rules. Period. What are thinking, setting such a precedent?! n/t |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #21 |
46. The Obama people like the results now so stop.... |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:25 AM Original message |
I agree. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. That's not how the DNC looks at it, I'll wager. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:22 AM Response to Reply #6 |
51. No it's important to include everyone's vote especially since |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #51 |
75. I see. Another Veruca supporter that doesn't understand how Representative Democracy works |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. Representative democracy? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #85 |
115. Those primaries were INVALID. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
56. sorry, but this has implications for future primaries. You CANNOT allow a state to go unpunished |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #56 |
86. Nor your candidate who wants to negate their voices? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 08:08 AM Response to Reply #86 |
116. Their "voices" were NEGATED by their state party and representatives BEFORE.. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Ya fire and find the leaders who did it not the voters. |
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Xenocrates (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Agreed... Rules are Rules are Rules |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. Especially in a "zero tolerance" state that is ready to ruin anyone's |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
59. Whose rules? |
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Xenocrates (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #59 |
81. Party hacks? Howard Dean is a party hack? |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Yes |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #87 |
102. No |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 07:45 AM Response to Reply #102 |
112. DNC and the DLC are all party leaders having to do with |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. Yeah, what happens in future elections if they are allowed to break the rules with impunity? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. How bout this, change the rules so that other states are heard first...just not Florida. |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
43. What's the point of changing the rules... |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 08:03 AM Response to Reply #43 |
114. And be punished by being silenced at the convention? |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:28 AM Response to Reply #20 |
60. Democratic primaries should all be on the same day so the small |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #20 |
90. Primaries on the same day for all Democratic states. |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. Not only would it set a very bad precedent, Clintons might well try to use this to stay in it! |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
74. Assigning them 50-50 is a sufficient penalty. |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. He already endorsed the 69-59 plan for Michigan |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #3 |
62. I pick a 100 to 28 plan for Michigan or maybe a 50/50. |
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virtualobserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
4. I think that his people already agreed to a less favorable 73-56 split in Michigan |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Nah, I think he was cool with the 69-59 split. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
88. This picking percentage thing is rediculous. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. What happened in Florida and Michigan are a stain on the |
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americanstranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Re-votes - never happen. |
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virtualobserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. the stain was created by Hillary Supporters like Jennifer Granholm |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #16 |
65. Whatever the voters were scambed. |
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Skwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
29. A revote would give the states who broke the rules, a critical role in deciding the nominee. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:14 AM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Better than denying those party members a vote. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #29 |
66. Yes...that's why they are being left out. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
52. So big states can act with impunity? That's the whole point of the electoral |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:26 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. What makes "a Clinton" POLITICAL ROYALTY?!? We all know that if this was any other |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #52 |
67. Or smaller Conservative states pick the candidates for the |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #67 |
82. You have a valid point and I agree. We should not change the rules |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #82 |
97. Bill Richardson has little appeal with his amnesty, etc. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
91. It's not blackmail it's a coup by Dean and his DLC. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #91 |
107. Dean is not the one with an agenda - Hillary is... |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 08:13 AM Response to Reply #91 |
117. Dean and his "DLC"... |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
7. as soon as he figures a way to get the nomination, he'll def want to seat Fl and MI |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. That's the problem....it is a party leadership created disaster. |
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mohc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
9. And then what happens |
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Bensthename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
15. No matter how it is split he will still have more.. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
22. He should do it as a message of unity as well. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Having Florida and Michigan's delegates seated wont be enough for her |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. At this point - |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
45. Or the Democratic voters of that state? |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:38 AM Response to Reply #22 |
64. Look I LIVE in PB county |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #64 |
92. Then take your vote to the primary don't force it on the rest |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
23. Obama needs to shut down Hillary's lying rhetoric and set the record straight |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
93. Obama negatives.... |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #93 |
101. I just thought of others... |
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Skwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
25. She wants to increase her delegates so it decreases the number of delegates they have to work on |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
26. If Florida is seated, I, as a Floridian who was disenfranchised |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
94. Ya hate Fl and MI voters eh? |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
27. There has to be a penalty or else other states will do this in the future. |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. "...it's not the job of the DNC to pacify a candidate." |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. But its Obama's job to get votes |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Thats where you are wrong. They have been penalized |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. At the very least, they should be stripped of their SDs because ... |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I think this primary season has shown that it isnt always in their best interest to do this |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I hope so ... but power-hungry people usually don't think rationally. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I think they were right though that the calendar needs to change |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I agree. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
98. The primary vote should be on the same day in all states... |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
31. I Completely Agree |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
33. Nobody wants to talk about WHY this happened in the first place. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:20 AM Response to Reply #33 |
48. Their party leaders didn't follow the rules which were made up to |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #48 |
57. or the other side of the argument |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:08 AM Response to Reply #57 |
68. Not me. I'm a progressive whose vote has been stolen by |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. I'm from |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #71 |
77. I'm from NH and I'd be happy not to be the first in the nation state! |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. I had 6 weeks of that |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. I was in the Obama phonebank... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. I liked knocking on doors |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
89. Sorry for your state. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #89 |
99. Then starting writing to your reps NOW... |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 07:38 AM Response to Reply #99 |
109. I do. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
95. You have to understand. They don't see it that way. |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
47. he suggested 1/2 in a local interview here in sunny FL yesterday. |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:20 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. liar liar pants on fire` |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:23 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Obam's campaign |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:28 AM Response to Reply #49 |
61. oh, please. Read this |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
96. Make one want to barf at all they hype around his lying |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 07:41 AM Response to Reply #49 |
110. Every time something happens he gives his opinion and gets |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
50. There needs to be punishment |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #50 |
69. Take those hack political leaders in Fl and MI and fine them |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I believe the elections |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
54. No, don't give "an inch" because ... HRC will take EVERY DAMN THING to include the votes. |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Thank you for the reality check. Plus, it would be "politics as usual".... |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Twenty lashes for FL and MI |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
73. They should ultimately seat all delegates |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 07:42 AM Response to Reply #73 |
111. What? You are here but you don't count? |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
76. I agree |
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nonobadfish (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
84. I agree, but I'm not sure the DNC will let him say ok since they want a penalty. Will they? |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #84 |
104. Ask the party leaders in Fl and MI to step down |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
100. He should have done this months ago, it is the right thing to do. |
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george_maniakes (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
103. obama should follow hillarys pre-iowa plan.... |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
105. Seat them all, but only give then half a vote each |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Like Blacks at before it was changed. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #105 |
118. So why punish the voters? |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
119. Leaving the states free to hold their primary whenever they |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. A national primary for the Democratic candidates all held on the same day. |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
121. And just say any state can ignore the rules because we'll ignore them in the end |
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