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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:32 PM
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Why do you hate Obama so much?
Seriously, why? :shrug:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:34 PM
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1. I hate Obama
because I'm jealous.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:05 AM
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122. I don't hate the man...
...I just don't think he's qualified to be POTUS.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #122
127. Did you ever think bush was qualified...
or was he more qualified than bush was when he was selected...
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:27 PM
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131. Reagan wasn't qualified either.
Nixon had 6 years experience when he was made VP.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:36 PM
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2. Why do you?
You make him look much worse than I ever could.

:shrug:
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:20 PM
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57. Seems fair
You make yourself look much worse than we ever could.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:59 PM
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83. ZING!
:rofl:
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:55 PM
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100. That's because you're busy with other Hillary fllowers....


making her look like Jim Jones in his last days.

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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:37 PM
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In case you haven't noticed....
... he's black.
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:37 PM
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3. Obama is the shiny wrapping on Zbigniew Brezinski's big plans
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:02 PM
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10.  Zbigniew Brezinski is no longer an adviser to the campaign
He was only a distant adviser at that but he has since been cut loose.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:40 PM
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32. no. . . . but he sure has a cute daughter
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #32
60. Who associates openly with Joe Scarborough
:scared:
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:55 AM
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121. can't blame her for that - a great opportunity for a journalist
plus joe is sleeping through a hangover often enough she actually gets to host . . .
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:05 PM
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12. Henny Penny in a tin foil chapeaux
lovely.
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:38 PM
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137. Why thank you cali... i'd no idea you were so a la mode...
but I think you know as well as I do that in a race of this kind its not the horses you need to look at... its the owners.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:41 PM
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76. Obama has talked to him like twice.
He has no role in the Obama campaign.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:37 PM
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He stole my lunch money when we were in 4th grade!
:cry:
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:39 PM
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6. Get in line!
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:37 PM
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4. Have you considered asking individual folks in response to "hateful" posts?
You could reach your targeted audience so much quicker.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:38 PM
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5. He took my parking spot at Albertsons!
:mad:
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:39 PM
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7. Why do people label critcism of Obama as hate?
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:02 PM
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11. The hypersensitivity of victimhood. HRC withstood it ... now we suffer again n/t
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:15 PM
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15. Except when she complains about getting debate questions first.
Or when Bill says people like to "pick on a girl" when describing a 60 y/o woman.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:46 PM
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35. "HRC withstood it"...
:wow: guess that was when she wasn't whinning, crying or complaining. :rofl:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:56 PM
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44. "HRC withstood it " (lol!) Yeah ... St. Hillary, canonized in 1993 ...

St. Hillary, 1993
Watercolor and gouache over graphite
on illustration board
Published in the New York Times Magazine,
May 23, 1993




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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #44
92. LOL !!! - Joan Of Snark !!!
:evilgrin:

:hi:
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:01 AM
Response to Reply #92
119. You - Owe - Me - a - Keyboard
:spray:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:50 PM
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107. Withstood it? Like when she whines that she lost b/c she's a woman?
Instead of looking at all the disgusting things she's said and done and realizing she sabotaged herself?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:32 PM
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24. I think it was directed at the legions who have proclaimed they are voting for McCain if Hillary
doesn't get the nomination.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:49 PM
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39. Have you been reading the post here from hillary people...
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:07 PM
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49. You are the one who admits there is no specific policy move Obama could make to placate you
Edited on Sat May-17-08 08:46 PM by impeachdubya
you refer to his "person or personality" as what constitutes your problem with the guy, and when pressed for specifics, you are curiously silent.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5988234&mesg_id=5993147

So, again, I ask- let's have it. What is it, specifically, about Barack Obama that you find so objectionable?
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #49
80. His judgment sucks, and he is a neophyte in foreign policy.
But I kinda like the guy, just not as President. Maybe leader of the city council.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:48 PM
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82. At least that's an answer.
Sort of how I feel about Hillary Clinton- her judgment sucks, she voted for the IWR, she refuses to admit it was a mistake, that sort of thing.
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Lerrad Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:16 PM
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90. And don't forget she also likes to make up stories. n/t
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #80
110. yeah Hillary's great judgment on the IWR
what another demented Hill supporter, only a senator because she was married to a president, should be embarrassed supporting somebody on name recognition only

your moniker should be kiss ass to power
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:24 PM
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62. For the same reason people label criticism of Clinton as hate
It is easier to label someone a hater than to respond to the criticism honestly.
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:40 PM
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8. They don't hate him - it's just the old & childish "I'm gonna hold my breath until
I pass out if I don't get what I want" thing.

At this point, it's fairly easy to determine who the children are on this board.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:53 PM
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9. I love him, but the most shocking thing is...
I also like Hillary and will vote for whomever is the Democratic candidate, regardless. Oh, btw, McCain is a fucking nut case.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:14 PM
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13. 'Cause I'm a hard working white person?
Well, actually, no, I drink lattes so I don't think I qualify. Anyways I love him. But if I "was" a hard working white person, I'm sure I'd know better.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:15 PM
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14. Because he is from Hawaii and is left handed.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:26 PM
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66. He's left handed?
I definitely can't vote for him then. :silly:

(BTW - I am a southpaw)
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:17 PM
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16. Because he isn't a nice person, he isn't qualified to be president, he acts like a total
Edited on Sat May-17-08 07:18 PM by StevieM
bully and he will say or do anything to get elected.

If Obama succeeds in winning the nomination, which he will have done by smearing and slandering HRC, he will no doubt be totally arrogant and condescending towards her. I don't see any graciousness or decency coming from the Obamessiah.

Steve
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:21 PM
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17. Steve, can you provide us with a link which proves he is a bully, smearing, slandering, etc?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:29 PM
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21. He won't provide anything.
Not too much longer thank god.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:31 PM
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22. These are my opinions. It is what I see when I listen to him speak. I don't trust him,
I don't like him and I think he will make a terrible president. He is bullying by claiming victory based on win in the PDs when the rules say that you need a majority of all delegates. And he is smearing anyone who disagrees by suggesting that they lack his commitment to democracy.

This is what I feel like when I hear Obama talk. I think he believes that he is better then me. And he wants me to smarten up and join his revolution. No thanks.

Good luck with that "new coalition" I keep hearing about.

Steve
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:38 PM
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Why do you think he believes that he is better...
"then" you? I think you believe that you are better "then" he. That's what I think.


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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:44 PM
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34. Does that mean you will vote mc cain??? just wondering if you think
he will make a better president...I'm an Obama supporter but if hillary had got the nomination I would vote for her (and I'm not very fond of her) but she would make this country better the mc cain...
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:52 PM
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40. I plan on voting for Hillary Clinton if I have to write her name in!
I would not vote for Obama no matter what! If McCain gets elected over Obama it could be worse!

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:21 PM
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59. I love your sig!!!!!!!
We put it up in the Reading, PA office right after his "bitter" remarks and it was a hit with everyone. They'll be plenty of "bitter" people come November who will not pull the lever for him.
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PaulaFarrell Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #59
113. and that will make you happy?
why exactly?
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #40
68. Shouldn't that poster say "uppity"?
Just asking.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #68
87. Only if you're an Obama supporter and see racism in every criticism.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:37 PM
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95. Or if you have seen enough racism in your life to know it when you see it
That whole "snob" thing is exactly that. The former community organizer is "elitist" because he is black and well-spoken. The rich white woman who doesn't know how to operate a coffee vending machine; who panders to the electorate is not "elitist." Riiight.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #95
96. What you have is what is generally referred to as a sickness.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:43 PM
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97. You are a sick individual, aren't you
Anyone who doesn't agree with your Goddess of Peace must be attacked unmercifully. You can kiss my ass.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #97
103. How the hell did Hillary's name get thrown in?
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #40
101. So you admit you support McCain over Obama..... why are you still here?


Until you're TSed, enjoy the company in my ignore file.

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:19 PM
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56. Let's also not forget that anyone who doesn't vote for him is labeled a racist.
Look how the people of WV, OH and PA were treated by his acolytes.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #56
64. anyone who claims to be a Democrat and to favor the things Democrats favor
and yet still would rather vote McCain, what is the most logical conclusion as to why?
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #64
85. That Obama is a terrible human being who we cannot vote for. I have voted for many African-Americans
and never regreted my vote. I don't care if Barack Obama is black, white or green--I care that he will be a lousy president.

Steve
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. you know there's one a Hillaryhub detailing every negative thing
he ever said about Hillary, and you know his supporters were intimidating all those old ladies at the caucuses. I am sure I did. As a six feet and 155 pound white guy I am pretty intimidating, especially in a crowded room. I may even have called some of the women 'sweetie'.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #16
28. Obama is a total jerk and an arogant opportunistic ass!
He has been lying to the United States... Staging rallies, paying people to go to caucus states to vote for him, crying racism every time someone speaks!

A cry baby and wimp!

I agree with everything you said and if others have not heard it they were not paying attention!


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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #28
38. Please provide a link for the information that he paid people to caucus...or
I will have to believe you are lying...
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #38
46. I heard about it from a person who was paid to caucus in Iowa who lives in Illinois...
Link your calling people a lier to your candidate! he is the lier!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #46
55. Ah...memories..

http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #55
74. you're really out to lunch! is this who BO has supporting him?
MSNBC is sleeping with Obama and will say anything to get Obama endorsed. I do beleive it was the Obama people who told Nevada Caucus attendees they must caucus for Obama or were not allowed to vote.

I have seen crap first hand and heard from many others... BO is a sneaky piece!
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #74
81. Your exodus can't happen soon enough. Nothing but vitriolic
spew against fellow Democrats emanates from you.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #74
88. Please go back and re-read
the post. This time read the words as they appear on the page. I said nothing. I posted an article and a link to the lawsuit. You may believe in Santa Claus for all I know, but that has nothing to do with the facts or the quotes in the article. Oh yeah...you're out to lunch..blah, blah, blah...my cousins uncle told me..blah, blah, blah...You are a sneaky piece..blah, blah, blah. Sell stupid some place else.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #88
133. I don't beleive racism is the answer to everything and in black/white thinking
you Obama maniacs are really something.. .if someone disagrees with you, they are evil racists... or they believe in Santa Claus... very funny coming from a BO lover who is the ultimate fairy tale... he has nothing to offer but promises and fluff!

I work with the party and know many party leaders including super-delegates... nationally known figures... I hear a lot! I call people, 100's of calls from lists of democrats who are also involved... and I talk to a lot of these involved people... people who organized caucuses in their districts.. not help, lead -top person! and I really do not expect you to believe hear-say... but it is not hear-say to me.. it is reality and I hear it over and over!

so, I have no respect for Obama and his campaign... they are not fooling me... you can believe what you want.... it is a free country!
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 05:20 AM
Response to Reply #74
117. cd3dem must be one of those West Virginia voters.
You can tell by his he said she knowledge.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #46
78. Right, a friend of a friend. Suuuure. You can't even spell 'liar' properly.
Go on, take your story to the newspapers. With all that evidence you'll have the scoop of the year.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #38
104. You'll get no link because it is a lie....


lies and racist BS are all Hillary followers have left.

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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #38
105. dupe
Edited on Sat May-17-08 11:52 PM by TLM


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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #38
125. He won't provide one
Because he's talking out of his ass.

Regards
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:38 PM
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30. "he will no doubt be totally arrogant and condescending" Kreskin is that you?
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Lerrad Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:36 PM
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93. Thats funny I feel that way about HRC ....
Edwards was my original pick, and when he dropped out, I was very disappointed. I should have know better then to get caught up on one candidate from going through the 2004 election.

I was leaning toward Obama, but it took me a while before actually supporting him and eventually voting for him in the primary.

After HRC's Bosnia story the choice was clear to me. Someone running for the highest office in the land should not be making up such stories. This is something that children do. After that story I can't believe a word that comes out of her mouth.

If she became president, she would of course at sometime, have to handle some sort of crisis, big or small, that may involve talking with foreign leaders. How much trust will they have in her knowing that she has made up stories in the past.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:55 AM
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115. He's not a "nice" person?
Oh, well, I understand then. I forgot that we were still in grammar school here. I don't find Hillary particularly "nice", but you can bet your ass that if she winds up with the nod, she'll get my vote. The alternative is too frightening.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:25 PM
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18. I was door knocking today and a woman said, I do not trust Obama!
She does not believe he did not know Pastor Wright is a racist! She thinks he lied and does not like someone who would go to a church where someone spoke with such hatred for America and whites.

Beyond the pastor Wright issue, there is the part where he has constantly played the race card!

He has also been staging events, voter fraud and unethical campaign tactics.

Also, the DNC and Dean hand-picking Obama and pushing him down our throats.

Let's not forget all the sexist comments from Obama and the negative tone he uses with Hillary and slamming her character to win votes.

His divisive rhetoric which has promoted division in the party & racial tension and then blaming Hillary Clinton.

His empty suit speeches with nothing but fluff and no real solutions.

He is unqualified.

He is dishonest over and over.

He spends too much money and keeps asking for poor people to donate more.

Michelle Obama is an America hater just like her pastor.



Obama 2004: I can't see running for president (-experience)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gexyfVpFMU

Barack Obama's legislative accomplishments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-jCBk4IAFM

IN 52 SECS WHY BARACK OBAMA CANNOT WIN A GENERAL ELECTION (National security)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs&NR=1


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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:46 PM
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36. One of those vids was posted by a "Reagan Democrat"
In other words, a Repuke. Typical Hillary-lover's fearmongering. People are tired of being in fear all the time. That's why Obama's message of hope is resonating better than HRC's message of fear.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:05 PM
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47. Sorry it hurts your feelings that many democrats DO NOT LIKE Obama!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:39 PM
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72. I don't like him. I don't trust him.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:09 PM
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50. But the real problem with him is...
he's black.

All those other things (which are pure bullshit) are just excuses for not wanting to vote for the black guy.

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:24 PM
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63. I hope that you are not foolish enough to believe that!! n/t
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:16 PM
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128. Foolish? No
Believe it? Oh hell yeah!

I've not heard one decent reason for disliking Obama. I've heard bullshit about him not being a nice person. I've heard "I just don't trust him" which is code for "I'm not voting for him, he's black.

You've got people who claim to be Democrats say they'll vote for McSame. McSame? On which planet or alternate universe is McSame a better person for the White House because he sure as hell isn't better on this planet and this universe.

There are the specious arguments that Obama has "played the race card" can we please dispose of that idiotic phrase already? Racism is not a goddamn game! Obama has bent over backwards to be completely respectful of Clinton and not resort to cheap shots which is more than we can say about Senator Clinton or her husband. He could have gone after the moronic sniper fire remarks. He didn't. And Clinton admitted that she lied at the god-awful debate in Philadelphia held by ABC in case you weren't paying attention.


Q Senator, I was in your court until a couple of weeks ago. How do you reconcile the campaign of credibility that you have when you've made those comments about what happened getting off the plane in Bosnia, which totally misrepresented what really happened on that day? You really lost my vote. And what can you tell me to get that vote back?

SENATOR CLINTON: Well, Tom, I can tell you that I may be a lot of things, but I'm not dumb. And I wrote about going to Bosnia in my book in 2004. I laid it all out there. And you're right. On a couple of occasions in the last weeks I just said some things that weren't in keeping with what I knew to be the case and what I had written about in my book. And, you know, I'm embarrassed by it. I have apologized for it. I've said it was a mistake. And it is, I hope, something that you can look over, because clearly I am proud that I went to Bosnia. It was a war zone.


The last I checked the definition of lie is saying something that you know isn't in keeping with what actually happened.

It was an easy shot which Obama refrained from taking. Obama has been running a first class campaign but nothing he does seems to be good enough for the haters. If Clinton had run as good a campaign she'd be winning; but she didn't so she isn't.

Now Obama was my second choice since my first choice got little media attention and dropped out as a result so it's not like I was always in the Obama camp but given the choices there was only one that I could reasonably make at the time. Since I've not seen any Obama haters make their arguments based on his positions, I can only only guess it's because of his race.

Frankly, I expected better from Democrats.

The transcript I used for the excerpt is available here:
http://www.cfr.org/publication/16044/

Regards


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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:21 PM
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58. I guess this would be the wrong time to point out
Obama 2004: I can't see running for president

Yet he heeded the advice of many who said the nation needed him and decided to run.

Barack Obama's legislative accomplishments

The legislative accomplishments video is demonstrably wrong

http://hill6.thehill.com/leading-the-news/obama-mccaskill-sponsor-bill-on-care-for-veterans-2007-02-21.html
http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/releases/07/01/20070108.html
http://obama.senate.gov/press/060908-senate_passes_c
http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=269479
http://obama.senate.gov/press/061211-lugar-obama_bil_1

And that is just for starters. You can do a search for Senate Bills here as well:
http://thomas.loc.gov /

IN 52 SECS WHY BARACK OBAMA CANNOT WIN A GENERAL ELECTION (National security)

Sounds like he has a plan "I can believe in." Do you think wasting money on non-functioning or excessive weapons to be a good thing?


Perhaps you should try other resources than YouTube for your news and information. You'll know more and look smarter when posting.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:33 PM
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91. OMG....You scare me.
"He spends too much money and keeps asking for poor people to donate more.

Michelle Obama is an America hater just like her pastor."


You sure your a Democrat??? :scared:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:27 PM
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19. Why do I have to hate him? Can't I simply be dubious?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:38 PM
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29. the columnist in "The Progressive" sure slammed him
Why wouldn't you be just as dubious about Hillary? or McCain?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:52 PM
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41. Because McCain is a Republican and Clinton is a better Democrat.
You have no doubts about Obama?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:23 PM
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61. he wasn't my first choice, and I don't expect any Democrat to be perfect
but Hillary was my last choice coming in and she has not said or done anything to make me change my mind. Quite the opposite. And there's no amount of mud she or her supporters can throw at Obama that will make me like her any more, especially not as he becomes the likely nominee.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:21 PM
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129. I can't say I have no doubts
Frankly, he's too centrist for me. However, I think that he can be worked with. I cannot say the same for Clinton. I remember how her husband ran for office and he damn sure didn't govern as the progressive I thought him to be at the time.

Clinton is a DINO. I don't want a Republican light in the White House. We've had enough of that in the '90's.

Regards
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:28 PM
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20. His wife stole my cookie recipe.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:34 PM
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25. "No, I don't hate him. In fact, I pity the fool.
But I will destroy any man who tries to take what's mine."


Sorry, I just got a DVD of Rocky III for $5 at Wal-mart.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:36 PM
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26. hahaha!!! Poor Burgess!!!
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anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:36 PM
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27. I don't hate him
I just think he's narcissistic, elitist, inexperienced, ruthlessly opportunist, has as much resilience as wet blotting paper, has a Svengali-like grip on his following, is burdened with a myriad of past shady associations, and has cynically used the race card against the Clintons.
Not a bad public speaker though (when there's a teleprompter at hand).
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:53 PM
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42. He has no "Svengali-like grip" on me
I'll always regret the fact that John Edwards didn't make it to this point. I support Obama because HRC is just another warmongering Republican-lite "Democrat" like Joe Lieberman.

Just because people are passionate about this particular point doesn't mean they're in some sort of cult. They just don't want to see the war dragged out longer, as HRC would no doubt do.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:53 PM
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43. wow.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:26 PM
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65. Wow, right on!
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:26 AM
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109. "ruthlessly opportunist"
I just thought that was an interesting one.

When Hillary's "I was under sniper fire" faux pas came out, and she was asked to explain herself during a debate, Obama came to her defense as well, saying "Sometimes that message is going to be imperfectly delivered, because we are recorded every minute of every day. And I think Senator Clinton deserves, you know, the right to make some errors once in a while."

That doesn't sound ruthlessly opportunistic to me.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:23 PM
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130. Wow
If you reverse the names you would be talking about your candidate.

Regards
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:05 PM
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135. So he's "uppity..."
He's not experienced, even though he's been in public office longer than Clinton...

He's "shady.."

He "plays the race card..."

And he has hypnotic mind powers of seduction...

Hmm...
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:37 PM
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70. Can you reply to my comment, DU GrovelBot? Who's a good GrovelBot?
You are! Yes you are!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:42 PM
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33. I hate him because he's so perfect!
Yeah, I'm a fan!!

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gabby garcia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:47 PM
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37. he turned me into a political junkie..
and actually i think he's awesome.

gg
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:59 PM
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45. Let me count the reasons...........
I don't really "hate" him, I don't even hate Bush and Cheney. I just strongly dislike all three of them.

As for Obama, I don't think that he's experienced enough, prepared or deserving of the presidency at this point in time. A man who has the least national experience than any other candidate in modern times should not be given the reins of power. He's a lightweight, albeit smart and well educated.

I see Obama as an opportunist who knew how to manipulate the crowds by his ability to give good speeches and by expounding on empty platitudes. He's more style than substance. The party leaders are now aligning themselves with him because that's what all politicians do, sell themselves to the one who's ahead in the race and who can benefit them down the line. They would have done the same thing if Hillary was on top. As Truman said, want a friend in Washington? Get a dog!!

I would have respected and even campaigned for him if he had waited to obtain the actual experience necessary to do the job.

As for his race, I couldn't care less about it and would think the same thing if he were white. No one should be sent to the back of the bus due to their race, gender or religion, but by the same token, no one should jump ahead due to it.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:05 PM
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48. I never would have guessed this thread would unfold the way it did.
:evilgrin:
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:36 PM
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94. Frickin' bazaar
and very scary.....
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:09 PM
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51. He keeps reminding me that I'm related to Dick Cheney.
The bastard.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:28 PM
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67. and I'm not. Ha ha
I'm just related to George H. W. Bush and Barbara Bush. :puke:

I balance that out though, by being related to FDR.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:41 PM
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75. Ugh...
I feel your pain (I'm related to Babs and Bush Junior, too...but being related to Harry Truman and our next President makes up for it).
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:10 PM
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52. Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I stopped beating my husband a long time ago.
Thanks! :hi:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:15 PM
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53. He tripped Hillary on the way to her coronation
He is unelectable.
He had dealings with Rezko.
He listened to Wright.
He is a radical Muslim racist Black Separatist Christian....or some fucking thing.
He is unelectable.
He can't reach racist asswipes.
He can't bowl.
He has a cult.
He has an unelectable name.
He has an unelectable skin color.
He hearts Hamas.
He's racist.


Or at least that's what I hear on DU

I love him. I haven't felt like this about a politician since Bobby.
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:16 PM
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54. I don't hate him at all.....
....I think he's the best of a bad lot.

We deserve much better (Clark, Richardson, Edwards).

What we got was another matter completely.

But of the three Senators, Sen. Obama could do the most good, (or at least the least harm) than either Sen. Clinton or Sen. McCain.

An added plus is an Obama presidency could further dismember the DLC, and bring more power back to the Democratic party
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:34 PM
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69. do you ever just gaze intently at this shrugging animated gif
until it becomes nothing more than two frames of black and yellow pixels toggling back and forth - devoid of all meaning? what's up with that? :shrug:
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:37 PM
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71. I don't at all. I do however, despise his smear campaign against Clinton
Edited on Sat May-17-08 08:38 PM by DemGa
Many Democrats won't forget.
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Lerrad Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:52 PM
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99. I think there was an equal amount of smearing coming from both sides.....
Once someone says on little thing negative about their opponent, the other must defend themselves. Then it escalates, and before long it is an all out fist fight.

It happens in every campaign, and it probably alway will. Put your self in either candidates shoes, and ask your self if you would ignore it.
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brindis_desala Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:39 PM
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73. The Clinton DLCers hate him because they believed the dot .com bubble
was Bill Clintons doing and Hillary would replicate his economic "miracle".

Because they do not care that by not prosecuting Reagan and Bush Senior for IRAN/Contra
Bill Clinton allowed the most criminal administration in US history to take power, destroy our prestige and cripple the military along with our economy.

Because he has exposed the Clintons as narcissists who have never done anything
that did not serve their interests first. And their tendency to lie whenever it suits them, hanging their supporters out to dry while wagging their fingers in defiance.

Because he understands that NAFTA has destroyed the US manufacturing base, that by signing the Gramm/Leach/Bliley Act, (repealing the Glass-Steagall Act) Bill Clinton set the stage for the current sub-prime mortgage crisis, and that by signing the 1996 Telecommunications Act (also promoted by Republican, Thomas J. Bliley Jr.,) he has allowed five companies to gain a virtual monopoly.

Because he understands that by their rejecting Jesse Jackson's plan for single-payer health care to pursue Nixon's "managed care" the Clintons have made mandatory health care reform too toxic in the near term to garner support from either side of the aisle.

Because he had the good judgment to criticize the Iraq invasion a week before the AUMF.

And first and foremost, because everyone knew that after W. it was Hillary's turn to be president.

That's why Clintonites hate Obama.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:42 PM
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77. He's a Muslim!
:o
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:44 PM
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79. I don't., I admire him immensely and will work for him in the General Election, however ...
he has many supporters here at DU upon whom I would not piss were they on fire directly in front of me.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:00 PM
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84. and so seals your fate
as a despicable human being indeed. One who thinks that generosity must be earned, instead of it being a good moral trait. A curse upon thy house and offspring. :rofl:
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:08 PM
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86. His low low prices drive me insane
.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:13 PM
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89. I don't hate him at all. I just think
that he doesn't have the cajones he's going to need to pull this off.

He does a great job when he's addressing a crowd of supporters, but when you put him in front of a microphone he becomes Uh-bama. And that makes him sound like he is unsure of himself.

He kinda reminds me of Robert Redford in The Candidate.

:shrug:
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:44 PM
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98. I don't hate Obama I just like Hillary better.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:14 PM
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106. That's great. Good to have positive support for a candidate.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:02 PM
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102. Because his caucus is hard to beat.
Sorry! Couldn't resist.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:57 PM
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108. BECAUSE THE CLINTONS FEEL THAT THEY ARE ENTITLED...
...and because some uppity half-negro dared to challenge them!!
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:30 AM
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111. "Because he didn't wait his turn!"
:crazy:
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:09 PM
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136. Your post and the post that you replied to
sum it up perfectly. Everyone was saying that she was the inevitable nominee, she would be the first female President. They didn't see Obama coming. And they didn't know how to counter his candidacy.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:48 AM
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112. Hate obama? NO! Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher,all is vanity.
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JANdad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:48 AM
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114. How do you get to almost 6k posts in three months?
Are you paid?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:39 AM
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123. It's amazing isn't it?
I've been here longer than the Iraq War and I barely have more posts, if you average it out per month.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:34 AM
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116. Kool-Aid comes in more than one flavor.
Lots of the Obama hate I see around here is every bit as irrational, knee-jerk, cultish, and superstitious as the Obama love is claimed to be.

Lots and lots of people have "feelings" but no specific factual reasons. Why should "I just don't like him" be taken any more seriously than "I just like him"? It shouldn't. Two sides of the same bad penny, IMO.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 05:38 AM
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:51 AM
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120. Maybe this?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:51 PM
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126. THAT'S IT!
It's like Moonstruck. Why do men chase women?

You have the answer. It's because this was supposed to be a coronation, and it's not.

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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:40 AM
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124. I don't hate him, but I don't trust him one bit.
That's why if he's the nominee, I will be holding my nose, and potentially throwing up at the voting booth in November.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:22 PM
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132. I don't.
Neither do I like him. At all.

In the real world, there is a huge spread between "don't like" and "hate."

I do my best not to hate anyone. I've done pretty well with that, only having trouble with 2 people in the last decade.

Both are people that caused extensive, life-changing personal damage to me and mine.

Why don't I like him?

He's convinced a majority of voting Democrats that he's the savior of the party and the nation, yet he offers nothing that I want in the POTUS.

He's too republican, too christian, too centrist/right, too corporate, too 3rd way, too "new" democrat, too NEOLIBERAL to accomplish the change that the party and the nation need.

Since you asked. Did you really want to know?
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:01 PM
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134. i think
he is a total amateur

that the potential to F up the country even further is very high

that he is gonna be duval patrick part II: Nationwide

that he will get slaughtered in the GE

that is FP is weak and naive

that he will get nothing done
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