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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 02:00 PM Original message |
Can we have a serious discussion about West Virginia? |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. Also, if you agree, please kick this thread. |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
2. West Virginia is a strong Clinton state and has been for months |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Then why did a full 7% vote for neither candidate? |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. well I think that 7% still like Edwards, look at the GOP primaries both Romney and Hucklebee continu |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. The difference is that McCain has consistantly lost about 25% of the vote. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. couldn't the VW voters have voted |
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pkz (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Vote tallies in my county |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. what I said |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. I don't think you read my post clearly as we don't disagree in parts. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. Edwards bump could be explained by a strong dislike of Hillary |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
7. Why should I care more about their material interests than they do? |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Your post disgusts me, honestly. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I can see how a learned helplessness would set in. Do you have any strategic |
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NatBurner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. i'd say a shitload of jobs outside the coal mines would be a start |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. The very first step would be to bring in hunger relief. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Those are great ideas, and as a "latte liberal" I would be thrilled to see my tax dollars |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. "He who would be free must strike the first blow." |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. I agree that people must show some initiative, |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. So did the slaves deserve their lot since they didn't successfully rebel? |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. It's akin to saying we should abandon the people of the inner cities... |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Yep. He's making the standard repub argument that if you can't do it yourself you don't deserve it. |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Yes it is sad... especially coming from a forum for Democrats |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. No: my point is that solidarity has to be mutual, and... |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. You still don't understand what Obama was saying with his "bitter" comment. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Slaves constantly escaped, and over 200,000 blacks joined the Union Army to fight for freedom. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. So only the slaves who didn't escape deserved their servitude? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Look: those West Virginians will never respect you if they think they can walk all over you. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
12. There was a documentary |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
15. Obama hasn't campaigned in West Virginia yet. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I'm talking about a lot more than polling bumps. I'm talking about people. |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Amen!! |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
18. and probably MOST of Hillary's voters will vote for the Old White Man in Nov |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. To repeat myself, "So what do we do about this"? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. We hope that they see the error of their ways, and join the 21st century |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. You don't think it's incument upon all of us to help? Did you feel the same about Katrina? |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
23. "We" can't do much. The best way to help them |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
24. They fuel our computers |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Obama was right about the bitterness. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. They're not bitter, they're indignant |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. I watched my coalmining grandfather die from blacklung and his widow left with almost nothing. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. You pay what you respect |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Yep. If someone calls you ignorant you don't say "thank you for the info". |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
27. Frankly I think too much is being made of this. Huckabee is still getting 10%+ of the |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Seven percent is huge in context. |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
50. I don't know the Edwards' percentages, so I'll take what you say on faith. |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
29. Enough already |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. You're missing the bigger point of my post. |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #32 |
51. I got the point, but I'm tired of the point |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
37. West Vir-what-a? |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
43. I supported Edwards in '04 and I have to say that I'm offended |
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