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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:01 AM Original message |
An Uncomfortable Truth: Hillary is our strongest candidate against McCain |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
1. Check the Real Clear Politics average |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Its 4.8 and 4.8 today. same same. |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
2. wrong |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. lmao perfect answer |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
3. If she wins by overthrow, she won't get enough GE support to win. |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. What - you mean the general election is gonna be decided by debates!? |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:07 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. All 20+ of them |
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chascarrillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:07 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Yeah, he's only participated in, what, TWO DOZEN of them? |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #12 |
78. Maybe he figures he doesn't need to make up for her running out of money! |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. If she does that she won't get enough to win back her senate seat in NY nt |
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RichGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
37. It's always funny to me... |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:24 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Totally |
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RichGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:39 AM Response to Reply #38 |
51. I agree on the polls. |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #37 |
75. The AA voters and youth voters would sure as hell know, and they would not turn out, costing |
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splat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:31 AM Response to Reply #3 |
45. 'Overthrow" of what? His game plan? Supers exist to rescue the party from a fading candidate |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:43 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. yes, their job is to pick the strongest candidate for the GE. |
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splat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:45 AM Response to Reply #45 |
57. I loved the old contested conventions -- they're great TV |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
4. That must be why more and more superdelegates are endorsing Obama every day |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
5. Hillary can go shake a cow bell at wal-mart. |
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RichGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
44. No... |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 08:07 AM Response to Reply #44 |
66. Whines? |
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Summer of 41 (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
6. AGREE |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:06 AM Response to Original message |
9. Well there are a few arguments to that |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:08 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. So you think people don't know who Barack Obama is? |
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Medusa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:18 AM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Yeah, WVA where most voters aren't well educated |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
87. We do need to stop the denigration |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:18 AM Response to Reply #16 |
31. Most people? No they don't |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
86. You're probably right. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:06 AM Response to Original message |
10. If she's so strong, why don't the numbers reflect that? Nice try. nt |
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RichGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
60. Why don't the numbers reflect it...you ask? |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 08:03 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. If "Hopes and dreams and rainbows and lollipops" beat Hillary |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #60 |
73. Namby pamby? Check this out, and weep: |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
13. Poll just released disputes this. Obama does better. He dominates among independents. |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:10 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. "63%" of Democrats believe that Hillary should stay in the race! |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:17 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. So? The race is over hillary has been rejected. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:19 AM Response to Reply #20 |
34. If you look at the RCP Average, both Obama and Hillary lead McSame by 4.8%. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
14. If we just endorse McCain, we would be sure to win |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
17. Head-to-head matchups aren't valid unless each side has only one head. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
18. How and who made this "truth"? n/t |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:11 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Numbers don't lie |
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globalvillage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
21. ABC/Washington Post poll |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:12 AM Response to Original message |
23. No, she isn't. |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
24. she is the ONLY one to turn RED states BLUE! |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:16 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. bullshit |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:18 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Obama puts Colorado and other Western states in play. Hillary does not. |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:36 AM Response to Reply #30 |
49. Watch and LEARN. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
25. You are basing this over statistics in May of 2008 |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
29. an uncomfortable fantasy |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
32. Here's another uncomfortable truth. |
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GermanDem (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
33. Simply not true |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
35. And the last 7 days will determine the outcome of this election! |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
36. "I know that the superdelegates are paying close attention to these national polls" |
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quantass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:27 AM Response to Original message |
39. Remind me again: How can she beat McCain if she cant beat Obama? |
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splat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:32 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. No caucused to pack in the GE |
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graycem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:27 AM Response to Original message |
40. You do realize |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
41. Can Hillary afford to run for President? |
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splat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:40 AM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Sure, Bill can always easily make more money |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
42. Well, duh. |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
43. Beautiful plumage! n/t |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
47. Laughable. |
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randr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
48. How soon we forget the derision |
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splat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:41 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Funny how the economy makes us feel we're all in this together again |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
50. I think so also, and that is my reason for supporting her over Obama |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:48 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. And we already know that the Repugs want Obama cause they see him as weaker than Hillary to |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:59 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. In a reverse Universe maybe. |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:48 AM Response to Reply #50 |
59. I recommend this post! |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 08:00 AM Response to Reply #50 |
63. that's crazy. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 08:23 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. We all have our own opinions |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
84. Yup. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
55. Reality Check.... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
56. off to the greatest. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
61. If Hillary can't beat Obama, why do you think she can beat McCain? |
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Tippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
64. No, you are wrong |
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splat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 08:09 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Things change fast in hard times |
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grrr050 (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #64 |
89. And they love Obama more? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
68. and then we all hopped on santa's sleigh with the tooth fairy and easter bunny and went to live in a |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
70. GE Polls this far out are absolutely meaningless |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. You are right. We should never underestimate a Clinton. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. But we should underestimate Obama, who is beating a Mighty Clinton right now. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. No -- it has more to do with |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
71. I think History will put the lie to that claim. |
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Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
72. Quinnipiac poll |
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nomaco-10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
77. I'm a democrat dammit..... |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
80. bunk in the end the racists in the Dem party will vote McCain but Obama will more than make up for |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
81. truth. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
82. Sure, run "sniper fire" against a war hero... |
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Scriptor Ignotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. exactly -nt |
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Lucky 13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
85. Our President isn't chosen by POLLS in MAY. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
88. How does Hillary trend as elections get closer? |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
90. Keep trying. Maybe just maybe you'll find someone to believe this nonsense |
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EnviroBat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
91. When are you people going to realize that this polling |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
92. Utterly irrational ... to choose ONE polling company and only look at the very recent numbers. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
93. Keep repeating the same thing without basis...perhaps someone will believe you... |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
94. Since Obama is the nominee, these "what-if" scenarios with respect to polls... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
95. No, she's not. |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
96. By November her campaign would be $150 million in debt. |
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judasdisney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 04:08 AM Response to Original message |
97. JOHN EDWARDS polled strongest against any GOP candidate |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 04:21 AM Response to Original message |
98. a mute point:"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee" |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 04:29 AM Response to Original message |
99. the same exact polling firm (Rasmussen) gives Sen. Obama a 61.1% chance of winning in November |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 06:29 AM Response to Original message |
100. Hillary hasn't been savaged by distractions and the GOP who love her |
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