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dano81818 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:25 PM
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Measuring the antipathy here towards mrs clinton
are people so disguted with mrs clinton that when she finally packs it in you will actively work against her in new york? my guess is she would run for another term in the senate and i wonder if all the folks who supported her in the past would again, or if they just grown so weary of her that they just want them to go away.

personally i think she is a good senator but i am so disgusted with her and her campaign that i am tempted to say i want to see her completely and utterly defeated.

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:26 PM
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1. That's a decision for New Yorkers to make. However, I can't see why
they would challenge her re-election; she's been a pretty darn solid Senator for them.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:27 PM
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2. I'm so thankful that I don't live in New York State.
I would enjoy nothing more than for Bill and Hillary Clinton to return to NY and FADE from the National Political Scene.

If I never see them on my TV set again, it would be too soon. :nuke:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:27 PM
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3. a primary challenge could happen if NY wants it
Edited on Tue May-13-08 09:28 PM by AtomicKitten
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:37 PM
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21. And I bet the challenger would see a lot of funds come in
There is a real level of disgust.

Now, I will have to admit, her rhetoric tonight was not cutting Obama down. I think she has seen the reality in the past week, and knows she won't be the nominee. I think better of her than she has performed, and I think she will regress to that mean.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:43 PM
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28. It could go either way for her depending on how she plays this out.
No Democrat has ever before run like a Republican against a fellow Democrat as she has run against Barack. If she decides to go out UGLY, I will pony up $$$ myself for a primary challenge in NY as my commentary on the ugly, divisive campaign she has run.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:48 PM
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35. I'd be temprted to if she starts the crap up again.
If she runs a solid campaign and doesn't use wedge issues inside her own party AGAIN, I won't be so inclined to donate to such a challenger, but if she does, her challenger will get some cash from Missouri.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:52 PM
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36. agreed and I think that's reasonable
cheers
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:27 PM
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4. She's tolerable
When McAwful talks, though, I despise her worse than I despise Bush.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:28 PM
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5. Yeah - let's kick a Dem senator out of the Senate!
What a great idea!!!!!

:crazy:
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:37 PM
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20. Um, Dem Senators are fair game in primaries
I think it'd be a waste of time as she can hold that seat however long she wants to, but Democrats are fair game in primaries.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:28 PM
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6. The minority community in New York will rally and she will lose. n/t
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:28 PM
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7. "Mrs" Clinton???
Oy. What is it, 1950?

:rofl:
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:30 PM
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12. Ma Clinton - like "Ma" Ferguson
Edited on Tue May-13-08 09:32 PM by pinkpops
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:33 PM
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16. "Gosh, Mrs. Clinton, you sure look swell today..."
Edited on Tue May-13-08 09:33 PM by DAGDA56
"Why thank you, Eddie..."
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dano81818 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:39 PM
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23. yes, you noticed...
i used it purposely... remember, they come 2 for 1. she already told us that.....
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Lefty-Taylor Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:28 PM
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8. When she goes back to the Senate will she vote to obliterate Iran?
She voted to obliterate Iraq, and, apparently has little remorse for the hundreds of thousands of innocent people that have been slaughtered as a result of Bushco's illegal invasion and mass murder that she supported so vigorously.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:29 PM
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9. Shift key: Use once at the beginning of each sentence.
Redstone
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:29 PM
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10. I'm not a resident of NY, so it's not up to me. n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:30 PM
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11. No.
But if we lose in November, I will feel this primary didn't help.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:30 PM
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13. Focus! Focus!

This year's election is for the Presidency.

Thank you.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:31 PM
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14. "..my guess is she would run for another term in the senate ...."
I dont think she'll run again.

If Obama wins the GE she wont have a need to continue using the NY Senate seat as a springboard to the Presidency as she probably wouldnt want to face an incumbent up for reelection in 2012.

If Obama loses the GE she would likely try again for the Presidency in 2012, and she still wont need to run for another term that expires at the same time.

She probably wont run again no matter what.
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dano81818 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:42 PM
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27. the reason i think she'll run again is the same reason i think mccain did it after 2000
she wants to take another stab at it, and if she is not in the senate she will fade into obscurity.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:47 PM
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33. I may be wrong, but isnt her reelection not until 2012?
If yes, I stand by my prior post (she will be too old in 2016 for another try if Obama was reelected in 2012).

If not, she may need to run one more time, but no more than that.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:31 PM
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15. I think there is a chance of disgust spillover but that's for New York to decide.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:34 PM
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17. I am so disgusted with Sen. Clinton that it carries over to her surrogates and Super Delegates
Gov. Grandholm, you no longer have my support. (not that she will ever see this, just trying to make a point)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:35 PM
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18. What I'd find MORE intriguing is whether Bill moves his offices out of Harlem.
I can't believe the "vibes" are very good at this point.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:46 PM
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32. Good observation.
:applause:
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:35 PM
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19. Work against her? no.
She is not a Zell Miller or a Joe Lieberman by any measure. I am just disgusted with her endless pointless playing for 2012 campaign.
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dano81818 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:44 PM
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30. i think her race baiting she be enough to disqualify her from progressive circles
going fwd...

think of the wounds she opened in this campaign, all to tarnish a good man like barack.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:37 PM
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22. Work against her? no.
She is not a Zell Miller or a Joe Lieberman by any measure. I am just disgusted with her endless pointless playing for 2012 campaign.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:41 PM
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24. sure you are, cicada
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:41 PM
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25. There are eyes on that Senate seat already
that's why they are trying to encourage her for VP.

I don't see her winning another term in NY for many reasons.

Mainly, embarrassment doesn't go over well.


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jsmirman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:41 PM
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26. I *despise* her. Endorsing "results" in MI and FL that no other country on earth could get away with
presenting as legitimate was the final straw for me.

There's not a country on earth that would not be BLUDGEONED in the world press for holding "elections" under these circumstances and claiming legitimacy. This is the disgusting, depraved horse pucky that Hillarity stands behind.

But from a NYC person who was beyond enraged by her using "my city" (it ain't Hill's city. Not even close) as a prop in her hate speech-

1) you would have to present a viable primary candidate to oppose her and

2) honestly, she's probably a pretty effective senator who has done a reasonable job representing our interests.

So speaking as one who DESPISES her, I'd probably still hold my nose and say what the heck.
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dano81818 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:56 PM
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38. that's why i asked this, i am from ny too.. eom
eom
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:43 PM
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29. I think she'll quit and make money
The only reason she ran for Senate was to be elected President. With that out of the picture, she's got to find some other ceiling to break.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:45 PM
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31. The thought of moving to NY to vote against Hillary Clinton
did cross my mind. Sure, my 1 vote won't make a difference, but as a black man who has been insulted as a lesser voter by her campaign, it'd be my way of sticking it to 'the man'. :rofl:
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:47 PM
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34. She's a great policy wonk. NY should keep her. nt
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:53 PM
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37. im in florida
and im saving 50 bucks a week to donate to whichever real dem will run for her senate seat
3500 so far
she has to be dropped like the bag of steaming excrement she is
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dano81818 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:58 PM
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39. love the zappa avatar
eom
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:51 PM
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41. hes my hero
There are more love songs than anything else.
If songs could make you do something we'd all love one another

to tipper gore over album labels
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woofless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:07 PM
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40. Like everything else, it's up to her.
She can be a great, and yes I mean GREAT, Senator if she decides to focus on that. I hope she has a long and productive career in the Senate. She needs to realize she will never be President. Tough but true. I bet she doesn't have it in her. Hope I'm wrong.
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