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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:22 AM
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Agree or disagree: Some are going to use any excuse to avoid voting for the "black guy"....
It seems to me so many of these goofy voters saying crap like "Obama's a Muslim", "has been endorsed by Hamas", or whatever are just a bunch of excuses to justify their thinking that they'd vote for anyone but the "black guy."

Do people agree or disagree and what percentage of voters do people think this will apply to?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:22 AM
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1. "He's inexperienced."
"He looks down his nose at people."

"His wife hates America."

Yada yada yada.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:23 AM
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2. That's why Hillary's statement about white support increasing was a dog whistle to WV.
It provided cover for their racism.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:25 AM
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5. Racists don't need cover. They call it a secret ballot for a reason.
Anyone who WANTS a reason to vote against Obama will not need help from Clinton to find it.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:10 PM
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23. They do when they want to convince others.
that's why we have to nip the Muslim thing in the bud. seems to be okay to hate them.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:20 PM
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25. I agree regarding "the Muslim thing"
Because that is an area where racism has been mixed with classic "fear of the enemy". People who otherwise may not feel racist can be manipulated by that fear. German Americans were regarded with suspicion during WWII by some even though they were about as white as it comes.

It is sad on so many levels because it should not matter regardless. Just like it should not matter if people guess if I am gay rather than straight.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:27 AM
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38. And this is one of the main reasons HRC lost all my respect..
If you look at every presidential election, there are specific times when you KNOW something is going to become big. For example, anyone who has followed politics for some time and who saw the Kerry 87 billion vote clip KNEW it was going to come back big. Just like the Dukakis tank ride and the Bush I tax pledge.

So this is why during that 60 Minutes interview, HRC could have shot down this Obama/Muslim thing, but she took the low road and did the Bill Clinton "meaning of 'is'" answer.

If she had of said to the interviewer that Obama is not a Muslim, but that to even ask it in the context of joining Muslim and terrorism, that it is even offensive to suggest and people should be ashamed in doing so.

So I'm like you, it should not matter. Hell, we don't ask all Christians if they believe in violent acts used during trials by ordeal.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:34 PM
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20. exactly
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Summer of 41 Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:18 AM
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37. Or maybe she just cited an AP article - itself being a dog whistle for racism
Edited on Wed May-14-08 04:19 AM by Summer of 41
AP articles are always dog whistles for something or other.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:24 AM
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3. "Some" will REFUSE to vote for a woman. "Some" will refuse to vote for a DINO.
Edited on Tue May-13-08 11:25 AM by WA98296
"Some" will refuse to vote for a republican. "Some" will refuse to vote for a member of the DLC.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:25 AM
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4. Of course that's the case
People have their prejudices and then find tidbits of reality to support them, tenuous as they might be.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:26 AM
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6. Agree! This election is turning over democratic rocks and causing the bugs to scatter (nt)
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:27 AM
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7. of course "some" will
and "some" will not vote for the bitch, either.

The notion that only Clinton has objectionable supporters is silly.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:27 PM
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26. And some will vote for "black" guy - just because he's black.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:29 AM
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8. More people are voting for the "black guy" than the white candidates of both parties.
I think it's great news that America may finally be coming to terms with its racism problem.

Overt racists will never vote for anyone except a pure white male. Fuck em, they're a minority.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:34 AM
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11. Here's the scary thing to me...
I think there are many of these voters who are voting for HRC, which to me means they will be voting for McCain. I'm just hoping for two things: that the media will get off its ass and do the right thing and that over the last eight years more and more young and enlightened people have joined the voting ranks where race, religion and sexual orientation no longer matter toward a person's character.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:30 AM
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9. The Wright issue is a good excuse .... Wright=radical=Obama...
Does Obama seem radical to you? Puhleeze..
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:34 AM
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10. Agree or disagree: Some are going to use any excuse to avoid voting for the "old guy"....
Edited on Tue May-13-08 11:34 AM by IWantAnyDem
Agree or disagree: Some are going to use any excuse to avoid voting for the "woman"....
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:34 AM
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12. Agree.
There are a few who see Obama's race and simply will not vote for him on that basis. How many? We don't know, since it's hardly fashionable to own up to being a racist. However, he seems to have plenty of supporters here in IN, where he lost the primary by a very slim margin (some say he only lost because Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" met with limited success here); and I hear people speaking favorably of him all the time. That's pretty good in a state that was once a hotbed of KKK activity.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:35 AM
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13. Agreed. Fuck 'em. Let them lose their kids in Iraq for all I care.
:nuke:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:01 PM
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18. If only it were that easy. But it's a lot of other people's kids too, and moreover...
We should be about making a better country - not just saying "to hell with it".
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:37 PM
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27. Sorry, but you can't fix stupid. Let them learn the hard way.
n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:39 PM
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(shrug) You and I differ on that, then.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:36 AM
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14. In this day and age that is so-oo dumb, I hope I know no-one like that...
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:07 PM
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22. Sorry to disappoint you, but these people DO exist...
One co-worker of mine, a self-admitted Democrat, told me that he was supporting HRC and he would not vote for Obama - then, he gave me every "reason" being trumped by the right wing, other than saying what was really on his mind - NVFTBG (Not voting for the black guy).

Then, another co-worker and I were discussing this race and he knows I'm a big Democrat and was flabbergasted when I told him that I would vote for Obama if HRC did not make it. He told me he could understand HRC, but not my vote for Obama. It was clear what he was getting at.

So it is there and the elephant in the room no one really wants to talk admit to themselves.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:52 AM
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15. Of course some will use such excuses.
The issue is that they are a declining portion of the electorate -- and hopefully not enough to avert an Obama presidency.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:56 AM
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16. But relatively speaking, a small number, I would venture. Most people,
Edited on Tue May-13-08 12:00 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
however dim, understand when they have a financial gun at their head. And it's currently on course to get worse and worse.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:59 AM
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17. I agree but it won't be a big percentage nt
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:31 PM
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19. Agree. They may dress it up with some other lines, but it's because he's black.
They sputter like Porky Pig trying to rationlize it as something else, but it's that.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:02 AM
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33. whenever I hear someone say they will support Hillary over McCain
but McCain over Obama, it's a pretty safe assumption that the person is either uninformed or a bigot or both.

It's a dead giveaway.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:35 PM
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21. Yes. (NT)
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shagsak Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:16 PM
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24. Agree
"It's not possible that he's for real. There must be a catch. No BLACK man could be that good, no way I'll vote for him."
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:39 PM
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28. agree
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:03 PM
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29. How about, "this is a dumbshit OP"
Of course "some" will use any excuse not to vote "for the black guy." "Some" will do anything. "Some" is pretty damn vague.

On the other hand, "some" will use the OP as an excuse to tar and feather anyone who doesn't vote "for the black guy" as a racist, REGARDLESS of that voter's motivations.

As "some" say ... FAIL.

Bake
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:26 AM
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32. why don't you start your own, jerk....
nuff said....

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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:33 PM
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30. Oh, sure.
That's a given. There are people who would rather die than change. We only get past them when they all die out. My grandmother was one. She lived in backwoods Missouri when she was a child, and never got over it. In the sixties, she referred to MLK as "that damn n----r rabble-rouser." I pointed out to her once that she hadn't even seen a black person in half a century; didn't matter.

As with many people of that type, she spent her life out in the woods, where she wouldn't have to be exposed to anything that might compell her to think or grow. There was nothing forcing her to stay there; she just preferred it. That's one reason why I have a hard time buying the "they are just ignorant and poor, you can't blame them" arguement. Why don't they move to someplace where they could get a job and go to a decent school? Why don't they read, and think? Lincoln came from that background, but he educated himself and strove for achievement, and became President. That is one reason some people hated him so much. He exposed their ignorance for the voluntary state it was.

Both my parents left that world behind and made better lives for themselves. The truth is, some people prefer being ignorant and backward, and will fight to the death anything that might threaten that state. It's an ugly truth about human nature; but true, all the same.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:29 PM
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31. probably, but not as many as those who wouldn't vote for a woman. but O's not a good candidate, so t
that could also explain why people won't vote for him.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:07 AM
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35. No it's Hillary that's not a good candidate
and that's why she isn't getting enough votes for the nomination, it's not cause she's a woman.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:05 AM
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34. Agree totally
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:15 AM
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36. TOTALLY AGREE...These people NEED an excuse to not vote the "black guy" no matter how silly
Edited on Wed May-14-08 04:15 AM by quantass
...it doesnt matter what it is as long as they can verbally give a reason to not vote for him...if there was nothing they could use they would just be "undecided" and keep it hush-hush and vote against the black guy when the day comes. So i tend to give some priaise to those who openly come out and admit they arent voting because he is black...at least they are being honest.
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