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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:46 AM Original message |
Why are we committing so much attention to racism in this nation, and so little to sexism? |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. Sexism is very prevalent, and I speak out against it when I see it |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
2. what sexism? |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. In general as well as in this primary race. n/t |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
3. Because sexism is a socially accepted norm. n/t |
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frickaline (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #3 |
23. I think this is the problem also. nt |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #3 |
33. I agree that it is. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
62. So is racism, apparently. It just goes by other names these days. |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
83. Then why isn't that an argument against Hillary's electability? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
5. The media has it reasons. |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. What are their reasons? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
57. Ratings |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
7. Because racism is more pervasive than sexism around the world. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
8. "Vagina Voters For Hillary" |
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LizW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
41. Ironically, yes. n/t |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Actually there is some irony in that post. |
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LizW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. ... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Hillary isn't going after the female vote? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
89. or |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
9. Because a lot of it was propagated by Clinton |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
10. When you can site a state which won't vote for Hillary because she's a woman, then we'll talk |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
11. I speak out when I see sex-based epithets used against Clinton... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
74. I do too, Bloo. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
12. Because Hillary is polling well with the "blue collar men". |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
13. I guess the 40 years of feminist literature and the dialogue |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
67. When my income and social status aren't DIRECTLY linked to those things, then we'll talk. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. And yet so many women are content to tell me how I should live my |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:17 AM Response to Reply #76 |
87. because they know what your life is like, dammit |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
14. Racism is more malevolent than sexism. |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. But wait... hold on... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #17 |
47. I really don't think that matters in guy land. lol. |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
15. All I know is I know a lot of women...... |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Actually it isn't the same with Obama |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
16. Has Obama claimed that Hillary can't win the GE because she won't win men? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Seems very simple and obvious, doesn't it? |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. I think in Clinton's case, she wouldn't win conservative men AND women. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #24 |
38. I just threw up a little in my throat....jeesus. |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. My fundy friends? |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Yeah....I belonged to the Pentacostal Church when I was young.... |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. They're not Pentacostal, if you can believe it. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. I've heard of variations on this "what it means to be a man" |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
18. When you read media reports of voters saying "I'll never vote for a woman," then we'll talk. |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Google "never vote for a woman" -- like that, in quotes to get the phrase -- |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Actually, that doesn't at all help OP's point, since every single one of those |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
20. I hear about the sexism in this race all the time |
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ampad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
22. LOL, here we go again |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. WTF? |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #27 |
78. Way to not pay attention |
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frickaline (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #22 |
35. "Waaaaaaaaaaaaa sexism exist dammit pay attention or else" |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #22 |
40. Is it a question of which "ism" trumps? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
25. I've often stated that minority-interest group relations are often seen as zero-sum. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. that's the biggest barrier to progress right there |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
50. I just don't get it |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
75. Yes! Thank you! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
26. I'm sure Geraldine Ferraro would claim Hillary has an advantage in votes due to her gender. |
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Guava Jelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
28. Go make me a sandwich woman!!! |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
29. More attention to equality covers both. n/t |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
34. I'd say it's because the media has hyped the "WV is racist" angle. |
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Emillereid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
36. I have found it curious that in poll after poll questions are asked about the |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. A CBS poll from this year found otherwise |
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Emillereid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #37 |
46. But there is no poll I've read that indicated women did not vote for Hillary because she is a woman. |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Actually its in the same poll. |
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Emillereid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #37 |
51. But there is no poll I've read that indicated women did not vote for Hillary because she is a woman. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
44. I see plenty of people talking about both. |
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shaniqua6392 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
45. Because Americans are far more ready to vote for a black MAN |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
53. Maybe because Obama never put an inflated importance on some backwoods state |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
56. We have quite-correctly committed much attention to both. |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
58. I haven't heard anyone say that the United States is just not ready for a female president. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
59. Because if people can express racism so blatantly, when we thought it had become impolitic to do so |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
60. Because one campaign says we're not ready for a black president |
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carolinayellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
61. Your premise is false n/t |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
63. BTW, not all women are white, nor all black people male. Just saying. nt |
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mythyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
64. you're right; we should pay more attention to sexism and less to racism |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
65. All the men voted for a woman tonight. Doesn't look like |
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mythyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
66. you're right; we should pay more attention to sexism and less to racism |
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swishyfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
68. Our friends in WV don't seem to be skeert of the women nt |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
69. Or homophobia |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. Good point. n/t |
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grannylib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
70. While I firmly believe that sexism exists just as racism exists, |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
71. Good point |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
72. Because racism affects MEN, silly! n/t |
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dcindian (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
73. Because the tone of the discussion was set by Hillary and MSM |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
79. Having female apologist 0bots just emboldens the misogynists. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. I know I'm on your ignore list but fuck you anyway. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
80. What about "classism?" |
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crimsonblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
82. You're right.. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
84. Sexists and racists are the same people |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
85. sexism is more personal.. |
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unlawflcombatnt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:01 AM Response to Original message |
86. Because playing the race card helps Obama |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:22 AM Response to Original message |
88. Because first and foremost HRC is "a Clinton" ... there has been little sexism because she's |
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