"I can't vote for Obama because he's a Muslum..." WTF?

[Blue_Roses]

One of the reporters for GMA was covering the Hillary Clinton rally in W.Virginia and she asked a lady who was she voting for and the lady said, "I'm voting for Hillary, 'cause Obama is a Muslum." The reporter immediately replied, "no, haven't you heard that he's a Christian," and the lady said, "well, I heard about that, but I still think he's a Muslum."

I respect her decision to vote for who she wants to vote for, but sorry,when you can't even accept the truth, how can you expect someone NOT to see you as ignorant--or just downright stubborn.

This is what is giving West Virginia the label as backass backwards. :crazy:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=4843778&page=1

[Starbucks Anarchist]

1. She's an idiot.

As far as I know.

[hobbit709]

2. Idiots are smarter.

[peace13]

5. And have more self respect. n/t

[flor de jasmim]

3. Maybe she thinks Muslim is a race?

[Lilith Velkor]

64. I was just told that today, right here on DU

All this time I thought it was a religion. Who knew? :shrug:

[BlooInBloo]

4. They don't really care. They're just looking for an "acceptable" excuse to not vote for him.

[Clark2008]

20. Except that's not any more acceptable than not voting for him

because he's black.

Who cares what religion someone is? Technically (and Constitutionally), our president isn't supposed to be favoring ANY religion (or none at all) over another one.

What part of the First Amendment don't people understand?

:shrug:

[BlooInBloo]

It is to white folks.

[unpossibles]

21. bingo!

there's a guy down here who has found a million reasons to not vote for Obama, and all of them end up being BS.

[Marrah_G]

6. There are stupid people everywhere

The media will ask 50 people a question and then post the most fucked up quote they can find.

[Blue_Roses]

10. it was on live...

and everyone watching GMA this morning who knows better is shaking their heads too.

[Marrah_G]

13. Well again, there are ignorant people in the world

I feel sorry for that woman. She is ignorant and uninformed.

[Blue_Roses]

14. she was informed and refused to believe it.

nt

[Marrah_G]

17. That would be where the ignorance comes in.

I know many people who believe what they want to believe no matter what any one else says. I think it is sad.

[Blue_Roses]

23. I can respect a person's decision alot better when they

have all the facts and base their choice on those said facts. Not when they refuse to stay ignorant. It is what it is, but they shouldn't then get upset when people make fun of them--which is what will happen when people see this clip.

I kind of feel sorry for her too, since she continues to stay stuck on stupid.

[Marrah_G]

29. It's sad

My 20 something assistant. Liberal, Independent, college student, likes McCain " because he reminds her of her grandfather". I am sure I can reach her before November. But it's a reminder to all that we don't have November in the bag. There are MANY uninformed voters out there who do not want to be informed. The types who change the subject anytime you try to bring up political or social topics. There are far more of them then there are of us.

Of course, to us, it makes no sense.

[Blue_Roses]

31. well, I have a BIL

who is a fundie and he is the same way. The difference in him and this lady is he KNOWS better, but chooses to spread this crap for the republicans. That is even worse. I have no use for a liar.

[newmajority]

7. YES HE'S A MUSLAMOFASCIST AND HE HAS A BLACK SUPREMACIST PASTOR!!!11!!!!

BUT THAT'S ALL FOR SHOWIN OFF CUZ HE'S SECRETLY A JEWISH CATHOLIC MOONIE!!!!111!!!!!

[C_U_L8R]

8. And so what if he was?

what a hateful ignoramus.

[Blue_Roses]

11. well, that's the second question...

but that one didn't get asked.

[DarienComp]

9. This is why "coastal elitists" like myself don't respect them.

Here's a thought: if you don't want to be treated like a rube, don't act like a rube.

[Seeking Serenity]

12. To many Muslims, Obama would be seen as an apostate.

He was born to a Muslim father; that makes him a Muslim. And to have converted to Christianity, that makes him an apostate (in the context of Islam).

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him.

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).

With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings. (Some may point to cases in which lesser punishments were ordered — as with some Egyptian intellectuals who have been punished for writings that were construed as apostasy — but those were really instances of supposed heresy, not explicitly declared apostasy as in Senator Obama’s case.)

[Clark2008]

22. That makes me laugh because it's not so widely practiced

in any shape, fashion or form in most Middle Eastern countries - and hasn't been in ages.

My ex is from Jordan and has relatives who converted to Christianity and NOTHING along these lines was even thought of.

BTW, the son or our union is Christian and no one's hauled him in front of some cleric tribunal for execution.

:eyes:

(BTW, I know you're just quoting a newspaper source, muddleofpud, but it's laughable that someone's told the NY Times this crap as if it were standard practice in this day and age)

[Seeking Serenity]

27. Just reporting what I had read. I make no value judgments about it.

I'm not a Muslim, so if it was right or wrong, I don't know.

[Clark2008]

That's why I wrote my disclaimer at the bottom of the other post.

I knew you were only posting what someone else had written. :hi:

[Seeking Serenity]

41. Roger that.

:hi:

[Zynx]

61. Jordan has a staunchly secular government. That doesn't surprise me.

[Justitia]

26. another bullshit, right-wing, opinion smear from desperate people

[Crunchy Frog]

42. I've never encountered that point of view expressed by an actual Muslim.

Only by Westerners, usually right wing, making pronouncements about Muslims. I'd be interested to hear some actual Muslims perspective on this question.

[harun]

47. I don't think you will find any (not to mention many) Muslims

who would consider Obama an apostate. Finding biased full of crap NY Times reporters saying this is another story.

[Colobo]

62. My girlfriend's dad was Muslim. She's not and nobody ever considered her anything evil.

[Brotherjohn]

15. Here's what I think Obama should say to that, should he ever feel the need to reply...

... to such ridiculousness (and against McCain, b/c you know Republicans are more likely to bring this up in the fall).

With tongue planted FIRMLY in cheek:

"Certain supporters of my opponent (not that he has anything to do with it, as far as I know) are circulating the claim that I am a radical Muslim. Now, I wonder about that, because on the one hand, they claim I am a radical Muslim. But on the other hand, they try to smear me because of statements made by the former pastor of my CHRISTIAN church! Now how can both of these things be true? Are you confused, too? It's enough to make my head spin. I don't know... perhaps Rev. Wright is actually not Christian. Perhaps he Osama bin Laden in disguise! Maybe THAT is why McCain and his friend Bush have not been able to find him!"

[DangerousRhythm]

30. The sarcasm would go right over their heads.

Sadly. They need straight talk (not the McSame kind), I think, and even that won't convince them.

[Heather MC]

38. I don't think he should address it at all just let the issue stay dead

If he starts talking about it again the MSM's will try to bring it back.

PEOPLE JUST NEED TO ACCEPT THE FACT no candidate in the HISTORY of the electorial process has gotten EVERYONE to like them
Gotten 100% of the vote
Hell even McSame is only getting 75% of his electorate, Repukes are still voting for Huckabee and Romney and Paul

Why is Barack only valid if he gets 100% of white, blacks, hispanices, gays, Catholics, bowlser
and whatever other retarded way they see fit to slit up the WHITE vote

[Brotherjohn]

59. Well, I agree w/ both of you. I just think it would be funny. (nt)

[GihrenZabi]

16. West Virginia, please secede

We won't try to stop you this time...

[Clark2008]

24. They didn't secede the first time - they broke apart from

Virginia to side with the Union.

So much for that bit of bigotry against the South.... NEXT.

[Seeking Serenity]

25. West Virginia didn't secede from the Union the first time.

That's why there is a West Virginia; that area wanted to remain a part of the Union while the remainder of the Commonwealth did secede. So, actually, it seceded from the Confederacy, not from the U.S.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_virginia#Separation_from_Virginia

(on edit: Damn! Somebody beat me.)

[Clark2008]

33. LOL...

My father is a Civil War historian - I can't remember exact dates, but I know the history like I know my own hand.

[Seeking Serenity]

35. And if I didn't type so dreadfully slowly. . . . (n/t)

[uponit7771]

18. Maybe McCain and Obama should say something about this

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[Celeborn Skywalker]

28. That's a depressing article.

*sigh* :-(

I guess thing really aren't that much better than the old days.

[Blue_Roses]

34. things are much better than the "old days" because a black man

wouldn't even have been able to vote, much less run for president. The seeds of racism run deep and bloom at unpredictable moments. This will bring out those who are racists, but it will also bring out those who will NOT tolerate it. It's nuts I know.

[Crunchy Frog]

32. Don't be too hard on her. She's probably a product of sibling marriage anyway.

[mckeown1128]

36. I would love to see the video if it's online anywhere...

I just love to watch stupidity. Seriously

[Blue_Roses]

37. here it is...

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=4843778&page=1

[mckeown1128]

51. thanks. nt

[knixphan]

39. 'Muslim' is code, methinks...

[peoli]

40. Hillary always does really well with the uneducated

[Crunchy Frog]

43. Yes, her victory in WV should be a great source of pride for Hillary.

[Independent-Voter]

44. Dumbasses are Hillary's sole base of support. Are you really that surprised?

[Texas Hill Country]

46. so are you calling me a dumbass?

[Independent-Voter]

48. Would "Willfully Ignorant" make you feel better? Here's a cookie.

[Crunchy Frog]

55. I certainly would.

Having seen your posts, definitely.

[Texas Hill Country]

45. actually, technically, if you are born to a muslim father, you are a muslim... but yeah, dumb.

[Colobo]

63. Bullshit. Again, my girlfriend's das was a Muslim from Syria. He let his daughter choose

whatever religion she liked. She chose none.

[doodadem]

49. I'm STILL having this argument with my mother

I've told her 50 times now, Obama is NOT a Muslim. But she has a friend of a friend "lives right up the street from him," who has seen him going to a "Muslim" church every Sunday. I say, "Mom, how is that possible? The man probably hasn't even been home since he started campaigning!" So now its, "I just don't like him".

Thinly veiled racism? You bet. What are you going to do though--change her 76 year old mind?

[cemaphonic]

53. must be some funny Muslims in IL

if they go to "church" on Sunday instead of Friday.

[iamthebandfanman]

50. isnt it crazy?

its like she is saying...

oh, i know the truth... but hes still what i say he is....

lets be honest, that kinda answer is a cover for 'im a huge racist and i dont like black people but i better not go saying that on the TV.'

people who use non-excuses are only hiding their racism.

[mckeown1128]

52. amazing... that idiot thinks Obama is lying about not being a muslim...

yet she believes Hillary (and I am guessing McCain) ....hmmm why would that be.

[thewiseguy]

54. Some of em are true idiots. I do not buy into the fear crap.

An idiot is an idiot.

[Lady-Damai]

56. Stupid people like that helped George W. Bush serve two terms.

No shock to me. :popcorn:

No wonder Hillary thinks she has a big chance winning the White House. If George W. Bush did it...why can't she?

[Imagevision]

57. Well sometimes unfortunately it will boil down to plain ole fashioned stupidity

that's American too...

[chitty]

58. From the ABC story

on their website.........

Hillary Clinton

"Let's show the world that West Virginia knows what kind of president we need."

What the fuck do you call lines like this?

[EnviroBat]

60. My dumb-ass neighbors said the same fucking thing...

:eyes: