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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:49 PM Original message |
Fresh GE Polls! Get your fresh GE polls right here: Michigan, Virginia, North Carolina, and Oreg |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. MI will come around, but it will need work |
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Obamamaniac_25 (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Tremendous news!!! |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Obama hasnt stepped foot in Michigan yet. THat is important to rememberr as well. |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I'd like to see Webb as VP. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
75. I agree He'd help us carry Virginia! |
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dawgman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
80. Love Webb...don't love him as VP |
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DemsUnited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. You are so right. Plus I worked on Webb's Senate campaign and am |
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dawgman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #81 |
104. Personally if we need a National Security candidate |
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dawgman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #81 |
105. Personally if we need a National Security candidate |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Obama has tried nothin' in Michigan and is fresh out of ideas. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. And how does all this hurt Obama? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:04 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. How does losing Michigan hurt Obama??? Are you simple? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. No, the fact that Michigan is hurting. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:13 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Obama and McCain offer almost identical economic policies, leaving voters a choice based on |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Are you a democrat? You sure dont sound like one |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #32 |
44. I've always been a Democrat, but I will not vote for another proponent of neoliberal economics |
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clevbot (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #44 |
72. so you will vote for??? |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 06:07 AM Response to Reply #25 |
62. He totally screwd up this last time |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:41 AM Response to Reply #25 |
73. Identical economic policies? |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. And McCain's (Bush's) economic plan is going to entice MI voters? How? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. McCain = free trade, more H1Bs; Obama = free trade, more H1Bs. Same same. |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. And that will entice people to McCain how? nt |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. He thinks Obama and McCain's economic policies are the same |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Shit, remember "Bush=Gore?" Some people will believe anything. nt |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. *IRONY ALERT* Al Gore was the leading voice campaigning in support of NAFTA! |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #41 |
70. Hey dumbass |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #70 |
83. This entire exchange has been about economics. I'm not sure why you want to change the subject |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #83 |
90. And my comment was |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Stop talking about "most people". What do YOU think is the substantive difference |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Uh-huh. Thought so. nt |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. It neutralizes the economy as an issue for Obama, leaving the campaign to hinge on "culture war" |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Wow, you need to pay a bit more attention to McCain. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Barack Obama support NAFTA, "free trade", and increased H1B visas. FACT. |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #39 |
51. both Obama and Clinton have campaigned against NAFTA |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Both Obama and Clinton were both caught lying about NAFTA... |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. yeah like that means anything to the voters of Michigan |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #58 |
85. Nope. NAFTA, "free trade" and neoliberal economics mean *nothing* to Michigan |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #85 |
99. Nope. I said Goolsbee being dlc means nothing to most voters |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. OK. But Obama espouses DLC economic policy crafted by the DLC's chief economist |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #39 |
69. Could you answer my question please? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #69 |
84. I don't gamble, and therefore I don't care what oddsmakers are saying. nt |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. I am not asking you to gamble, and asking you to propose a theory as to why |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Bookies are not "most people". If you look up thread, *pollsters* tend to disagree with the bookies |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Jesus, do I have to explain what intrade is to you now? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. I know what it is; I am not interested in it. It has no bearing whatever on Obama's neoliberal |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Oh I guess mc cain will do a wonderful job...100 year war..anti-abortion, |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. There you go...I talk about the economy, you talk about abortion, war...anything BUT the economy |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #12 |
24. he just needs to campaign in Michigan. |
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bookman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #12 |
40. Do you really think... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Yup. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Obama will fight hard for Michigan too. |
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bookman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:54 AM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Makes no sense. |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #12 |
76. Who says Obama is out of ideas? And why would McCain be better on the economy? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #76 |
86. When two people agree on something, there is no point of contrast. |
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my3boyz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 06:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
64. Someone on the news said that some kind of trial with |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. Jim Webb as Veep and we win the election. It's that simple. |
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Blondiegrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
6. But ... but ... I thought Michigan was angry with Obama for not |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. They appear to be angry... |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Let me know what happens once Obama gets a chance to campaign there. |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #8 |
21. MI's is about +5% Dem in presidential elections |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Kerry took it +3 in 2004 |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. I am talking about the Partisan Voting Index (PVI) |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
7. Where did you find the leaked info? |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. this site: |
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Obamamaniac_25 (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
45. Great site-n/t |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #45 |
59. one of my favorites. nt |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
10. lots of room for improvement in undecideds too. nt |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I think this November will be all about |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
48. I bet McCain is like Hillary months ago - already hit the peak of support. nt |
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Robbins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Polls |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
13. Michigan will slowly drift toward Obama as time goes on |
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polticalpout (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
22. What about Ohio? |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. the latest Ohio poll was the Quinnipiac "swing state" poll |
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Secret_Society (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. and Clinton +10 |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:44 AM Response to Reply #35 |
49. Nobody cares |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
30. Good news in my home state Oregon! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
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mikiturner (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. These are polls with margin of error, not results |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. The fellow upthread is attempting to argue a tie is good news for a state that trends strongly Dem |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:47 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. It is good news |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:01 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Exactly. |
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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:33 AM Response to Reply #46 |
57. Michigan is hardly "strongly" Dem |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #57 |
88. Which is why I have been warning for months that McCain could well take Michigan. nt |
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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #88 |
101. Ok? |
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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:24 AM Response to Reply #38 |
56. Really man? |
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marlakay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
55. give it time folks were just getting started! |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
60. 3 points will be as close as Obama can get it in VA and NC |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 03:04 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I don't agree. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #60 |
74. the old guard |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #60 |
79. A lot of Democratic insiders are optimistic about Virginia |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 06:15 AM Response to Original message |
63. This is good news so far. We will know what we really need to work on a few days after Clinton exits |
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SaveAmerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
65. This is before McCain starts speaking, can't wait for debates. |
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shaniqua6392 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
66. The media in Michigan is VERY pro McCain. |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #66 |
77. UAW is neutral...never endorsed a candidate |
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shaniqua6392 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #77 |
96. The UAW does come out and endorse specifically. |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Sorry, I meant in this election, this year |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #66 |
102. All the polling data over the last few month says the opposite. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
67. That is not a bad starting point |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
68. I say NC goes Obama. I doubt these polls factor in well |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
71. Re-arranging the Deck Chairs On the Titanic |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
78. The obvious reason being that Hillary does better against McCain in these states? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Are you blind? |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #78 |
103. The obvious reason being that she will not be the nominee. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
94. Florida: McCain Trounces Obama, Even with Clinton |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #94 |
98. That's from a while ago, as you said |
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