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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:56 PM Original message |
Jack Kelly: Obama Needs a History Lesson |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. blah blah blah blah blah |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. You don't have a problem with Obama's utter lack of understanding of history? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. "Perhaps Sen. Obama is thinking..." |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Obama got a very important part of history wrong. Period. n/t |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Is this a consensus among historians, or just the opinion of one asshole |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. It is not an opinion that Obama got his history wrong, it is a fact. n/t |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Can you show me other commentary or analysis that backs up Kelly's |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. What is there to debate? FDR didn't meet with his enemies. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Um, did he send his Sec of State or high-level officials to meet with them? |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. It is very clear what Obama was referring to. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. Obama said "face to face" meeting in his speech? I heard him say "talk". |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Have you ever listened to his stump speeches? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. You understand that sending your Secretary of State is considered "talks", right? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
58. FDR didn't meet with his enemies? He allied with Stalin! |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. When FDR met him, he was a U.S. ally at that point. n/t |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. look, if you won't grant that the USSR was our enemy |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. I certainly know more history than yourself. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. okay then: you know more, you understand less |
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Boz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #72 |
80. Technically allied but were going to call him an enemy so we can slam a guy who was right 60 years |
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DanTex (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #72 |
92. Don't know much about history? |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #72 |
95. True. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
65. Oops, that was easy to find--FDR's SOS (Hull) negotiated personally with the Japanese |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:42 PM Original message |
Bullshit, everyone knew Russia was the next big problem |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. Ah yes, the Rovian name-calling Kill the Messenger trick-no substance from you. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. I took you off ignore this morning. Sadly, I must put you back on, because |
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Brundle_Fly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. wrong like |
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The Ghost (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. HILLARY DOESNT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON *NOW* |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. She is well aware that Obama is unelectable. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Yeah, she has the right (wink, wink) vote. Hillary lost the primary so she can't win the GE! n/t |
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The Ghost (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. Are you a DEMOCRAT, or just a Hillary supporter and thats it? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. What a stupid question. Of course the OP is a Democrat. |
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The Ghost (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
82. Then he/she should stop attacking our nominee. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
43. explain to us again how Obama is unelectable? |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
57. Very little appeal to working class whites is one reason. |
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DanTex (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
78. Yeah, those working class whites are real sticklers for historical details |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
79. compared to John "I dont know much about economics" McCain? |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Yes, John McCain is a lightweight. What's your point? |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. what electoral woes???? |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
96. She didn't know BUSH IS A LIAR. And she can't tell the diff between |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. You need something to cling to... here you go |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
40. I have a problem with your lack of understanding of the word "utter" |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
74. so you are back on this now that race-baiting has failed? |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
89. Not as much as Your Girl lying about sniper fire in Tuzla. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's so sad how far you have fallen. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Gives New Jersey a bad name |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:02 PM Original message |
Hey-I was born in NJ and lived there most of my life! |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
13. S'ok. I'm from NJ and live there when I'm not at school |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. S'ok... |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. Why do you keep attacking the DEMOCRATIC nominee? |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. He's not our Democratic nominee yet. And these things matter. |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
52. He is the nominee, and I don't care what the Republicans do in the GE. |
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Boz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. Yeah, gotta get that all important history channel nerd vote. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. Are you working for the repukes? Why are you attacking the Dem's nominee? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
44. what a stupid statement from you. There is NOT a Dem nominee yet. |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. Yes there is - His name is Barack Obama; our next President. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
83. Yeah he is and these attacks are ONLY helping McCain |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
6. Whatever will you do when you can't do this? Yada yada.. last gasps of her supporters, too. |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
9. Typical Obama supporter reply on anything that does not glorify him in |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
10. Jack Kelly has been against Obama from the git-go, and he essentially defeats |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
59. this is your second KILLTHE MESSENGER meme on this tread. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
12. The biggest zealots are the most-recently converted.... NJS was an Obama supporter 2 weeks ago.... |
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DAGDA56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
14. Just who the hell is Jack Kelly? Aside from some guy who misquotes |
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Fenris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
39. He's a columnist who thinks General Petraeus is totally awesome |
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DAGDA56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Wow...just looking at the slug lines on the Toledo Blade link... |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
64. I am certainly not a fan of this guy. |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
16. You Clintonites sure love your right wingers, don't you? NT |
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SeaLyons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
20. K&R |
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DanTex (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
23. So now we're buying into the right-wing cold war history... |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
25. For one I am glad that Reagan talked to Gorbachev. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
26. so let me get this right you were really for Obama and had researched it well |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I didn't do much research about Obama. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Well, then I guess McCain is more your speed, since he's your only |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. haha, that's funny. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. he only wrote 2 books and has been in public office for 10 years |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
29. I hope you're putting at least this much effort in smearing McCain. |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. He won't. He's too angry his candidate lost. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
31. can anybody here who is so adamantly denying the article, show anywhere where it is wrong?I mean |
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DanTex (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
62. What Barack was probably referring to |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
38. I forget...how wrong was Hillary's reading of the history of Iraq? |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
41. McCain can't even remember current events and W. seems to be following Kelly's advice. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
49. Jack Kelly? What's next, John Bolton? n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
50. At least he has enough sense not to talk about obliterating entire countries! |
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habitual (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
53. As far as i'm concerned, We need to defeat McCain |
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GetTheRightVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
54. Why don't we ask Obama, I know he would have the answer for this question. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
61. Kelly's a warmongering McCain supporter. Some more of his writng below. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
63. nj - this is too deep for most people. |
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Scriptor Ignotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
66. if only you could have warned us sooner |
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cenacle (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
69. What about the US-USSR summits? |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
70. Is the idea itself a bad one? |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
73. Jack Kelly is a right wing pig out to bash Democrats. nt |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
76. K&R! |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
81. Take it back to freeperville with your military chauvanism. |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
86. Do you really think that any other countries now believe that the US is "too liberal to fight?" |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
87. Obama used examples of 80's russia and 70's China not nazism ah spin meisters... |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
88. WTF |
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Hawaii Hiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
90. Jack Kelly is a far right degenerate - He is a hack, plain & simple |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
93. Hey, what's the Russian president elect's name? Isn't it Med.....uhhh ummh...Medve...Medwhatever? n/ |
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crimsonblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
94. fuck off, troll. |
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