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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:48 AM Original message |
obama voted three times for gas tax holiday in illinois |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
1. What are the differences in terms of state and national gas taxes... |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Don't know, but there is this difference |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
21. IL uses a sales tax for gas. 5% I believe. So as gas goes up, so does the amount of money paid |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
85. That is the difference here - Who has the real experience? Obama! |
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mucifer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
2. We have the highest gas tax in the nation in Chicago. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
3. and then he voted against making it permanent. And, by the way, where is HRC's legislation |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. She'll draft that bill right after she finishes writing the one giving Guam the vote. |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #7 |
65. is she going to promise Puerto Rico the vote too? |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #65 |
87. And what about the District of Columbia getting votes in Congress? |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. actually, they should. that's ridiculous n/t |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #87 |
120. Huum, have not heard her say a peep about DC |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #7 |
115. She submitteed the Legislation to CONGRESS last FRIDAY--before Guam. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #115 |
121. Link? and are you talking about gas tax relief or guam? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #121 |
124. i am talking about the gas legislation. Google is your friend. |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
5. IOKIYO |
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mucifer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:54 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. hmmm interesting but now it's ok for hillary to do the same? |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #10 |
89. She has a better plan that Illinois... |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #89 |
106. What's better about this plan? Nothing. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. That might be precisely why he opposes it now |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #13 |
91. Oh yeah? |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #91 |
114. Ben Franklin and Edison learned from each mistake |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
24. Yes, and since it didn't work as advertised he voted against making it permanent. Experience |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #24 |
94. If every brilliant scientist researching cancer quit after they failed.. |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #94 |
107. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #94 |
113. Maybe Hillary can make a go of leeches? They tried that too, but they know more now than then. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #113 |
119. Educate yourself. Hospitals are using leeches for wound therapy. Where you been?? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
27. And voted against it when the studies showed it didn't work. |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #27 |
95. Go to her website and read about her plan. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #95 |
102. I don't want her plan - I want a link to the legislation Senator |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #102 |
116. She already did last Friday. Let your fingers do the google. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #116 |
125. I did google and there is no legislation on her web site |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
71. He also voted to let it expire |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #71 |
97. .. |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
110. That's exactly what Obama pointed out on ' Meet The Press' |
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washingdem (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
6. Yes, and he said it was a mistake and that he learned from it. It's part of his POINT. |
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KSinTX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
8. And after realizing it doesn't work, killed it. |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
9. perhaps then he knows that it doesn't work nt |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. And it didn't work. The tax was something like 42 cents a gallon, but ..... |
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DAGDA56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
11. Addressed that on MTP... |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. he is allowed to make mistakes. Clinton is vilified for every breath |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
31. She should swallow her pride and ask someone with experience if her tax idea actually works. |
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bigbrother05 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
52. That's part of his experience, 20 years is not wet behind the ears. |
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DAGDA56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #16 |
68. Both can make mistakes...apparently only he is willing to admit he learned from his... |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
12. kick |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
15. And he learned from his mistake; as he's stated clearly. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:08 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. I thought he was always right on day one or day 365 or whatever. nt |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:10 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Really? You've never heard me say that. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Consider that it is only a terrible bad idea |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. I've looked at both sides and weighed the benefits/costs. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:22 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. You think she would support it without |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. It's irrelevant though because it's not a viable proposal. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. To some the money would matter as you admitted above |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Do you really think she could get the legislation passed? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. She has expressed the desire to support folks |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Then express that desire; don't make promises that can't be honored. n/t |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I don't recall her promising it, more like fighting for it. nt |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. It's the same thing in the eyes of voters. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. You lost me there, seems more like a promise to |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. LOL - so she'll fight knowing from the outset it will fail? Ah - political theater! |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Certainly if she is fighting those in her party |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Thanks. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. ok |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. she doesn't use the highway funds to pay for it. Your lie might work if you repeat it often enough |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Tell me exactly how she will impose a windfall tax on oil companies by June. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. shifting your argument? |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. It's not a lie. Hillary would never get a windfall tax implemented. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:41 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Then we'll find another funding source |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. By June? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. you mean she has to have the votes in hand before she proposes anything? |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. My candidate isn't proposing a gimmick. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #66 |
79. It's not an accident that voters don't have any idea of any immediate relief |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #62 |
78. She should have a reasonable expectation of fulfilling her promise |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
17. Another Hillary poster who conveniently forgot to read or include the facts.. |
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Cheap_Trick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. they didn't forget to read or include the facts |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #17 |
32. The Clinton gas tax holiday is financed exclusively through a tax on windfall profits |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #32 |
51. Which she has already promised elsewhere and which she knows she cannot get passed and which GWB |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. you let it go. The ONLY argument you can come up with is that it's politically impossible |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #17 |
38. ... |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
18. When something doesn't work, do you keep doing it because it's easy? |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
19. Excellent! The daily "Obama supported gas tax holiday" thread and the subsequent slapdown. |
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KSinTX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Didn't realize this was a recurring theme |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
35. For those of us who visit DU every day, it's been a bit wearying. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
25. but for him it was genius inspired |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #25 |
36. I don't see how you figure. He tried it, it didn't wiork, he voted against making it permanent. |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
28. Which is probably why he's against it now? |
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my3boyz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
29. Oh but Hilly said that Obama did not have experience...he has |
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cjsmom44 (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
33. Re: Experience is a good teacher |
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Undercurrent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:24 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Exactly! He's been there. Done that. Didn't work. |
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bigdarryl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
40. THATS WHY HE KNOWS IT DOESN'T WORK !!!!!!! |
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aquarius dawning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
44. he was for the gas tax holiday before he was against it you see. |
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Bensthename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
45. Lets attack Obama for experience on this issue ?? This OP is a joke. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #45 |
59. funny though |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #59 |
103. The windfall profits tax is a separate issue all by itself. |
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KSinTX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
46. Judging from your avatar, you might understand this point |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
50. kick |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #50 |
61. He was a young State Senator |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. why don't you mention that obama LIES about hill's plan? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #67 |
75. So she's taking money out of the budget for infrastructure and replacing it down at some point by |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #75 |
84. so you are against windfall taxes on big oil? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #84 |
104. No, I against stupid ideas. |
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DAGDA56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #67 |
77. In short...She has already proposed using a windfall profits tax... |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #77 |
86. lol -- it is tried and true paygo tactics -- and paygo |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
72. So? and now he says he was wrong and it is wrong |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
76. And then he figured out it doesn't work! |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
80. And Hillary voted for a war that has killed over a million innocent people |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
81. He just explained. Yes he was for it - tried it - didn't work He's |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
82. And Obama has also said he learned from that experience. |
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mapatriot (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
83. Different time..... |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
88. kick |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
90. his pandering was wrong then, |
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gbrenna (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
93. Obama addressed this with Russert |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. And he doesn't repeat mistakes n/t |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. ... |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #99 |
109. Wow. Sporadic, haphazard thinking skills are a dangerous thing |
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gbrenna (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #96 |
112. Obama learns from mistakes |
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mikekohr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
98. Pander Bears, McCain/Clinton Willing To Repeat Mistake for Sake Of Votes |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
100. i can`t resist..........intelligent people learn not to repeat their mistakes |
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populistdriven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
101. you need to learn from your mistake in supporting hillary |
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Blarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
105. He called it a mistake on MTP... |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
108. Hillary knows it won't work but wants to do it anyway. Definition of Insanity nt |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-04-08 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
111. Obama learned from his experience ..right there in Illinois, too.. |
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npincus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
117. which is WHY he knows it doesn't work. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
118. Obama admitted it was a mistake on MTP. |
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lolamio (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
122. Yeah. And he learned from his "experience" that it doesn't work. Imagine that. n/t |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #122 |
127. No, he just had an inferior plan |
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mikekohr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-06-08 07:16 AM Response to Reply #127 |
130. Her Plan Is A Sham and A Flim Flam |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
123. I posted this several times and it dropped like a rock! |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
126. Yikes, he's all over the place |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
128. I must have worked pretty good the first two times |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-05-08 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
129. Yep, and it cost IL and IN plenty - so he KNOWS it doesn't work |
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