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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:15 AM Original message |
About those RoboCalls - in case you didn't get the memo. |
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RazBerryBeret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
1. as I've read elsewhere... |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
2. "Well-intentioned"? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. If You Read The Entire Article, Ma'am |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Well, there's not much I can read on my dialup besides DU |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. They Botched Things, Ma'am, No Question |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #16 |
28. That makes sense. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
26. The problem was that it was poorly handled and ill-timed repeatedly, in many states. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Women's Voices is made up of some of the most seasoned and sophisticated political operatives in DC |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. illegal robo-calls in N C and deceptive election tactics in 10 other states by WVWV |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. This Is The Sum Of The Illegality, Sir |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Yes, which is the same illegality in many states for intentionally vote caging. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. And An Excellent Law That Is, Too, Sir |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Why did Women's Voices use disruptive voter registration approach in NC? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #36 |
75. True - EVERY CONCERNED voter registration group has highlighted ONE STOP registration |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Center for Investigative Reporting follows Women's Voices' political connections |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. NC Law: |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #26 |
40. Local Democratic leader who received Women's Voices robo-call suspects voter suppression |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. I certainly think it stinks. My post above was to point out that one can't claim definatively |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. I sent a raft of links and questions to the House Judiciary Committee |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #9 |
42. They were warned in February by the Virginia Sate Police: |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
50. It was done in EVERY PRIMARY STATE with large black voting areas. These are SEASONED POLITICOS |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Black Citizens, Ma'am, Are Substantially Under-Registered Relative To Whites |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. So these 'voting registration experts' kept repeating the same 'mistake' over and over again |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Any Evidence Of A Down-Turn In Black Voting In Democratic Primaries This Year, Ma;am? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Just because it didn't work this time thanks to aware folks doesn't mean it DIDN'T HAPPEN. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. Actually, Ma'am, It Does |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. So you say... whatever sounds better for Clintons....as usual. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
67. "...as far as it goes?" |
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Lakerstan (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
3. You forgot to bold this part: |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Read the whole story. |
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benddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. they did this in at least 5 states |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
4. ...... had no malicious intent ..... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
5. An Excellent Article, Ma'am |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Sigh . . so true. |
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DAGDA56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
7. "Misleading and probably against the law..." |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. The NC Attorney General said WVWV broke the law, not it might be against the law |
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DAGDA56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. I'm just lifting quotes from the OP |
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Medusa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
8. Once is an accident. Twice is a mistake. Eleven times? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. A Little More From The Article, Ma'am |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
10. its ok, it only hurt those black voters who wouldn't have voted for Clinton anyway |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. And Yet, Sir, Sen. Obama Owes The Husband Of The Group's Founder Money |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. so you think he knew before our Atty Gen who was making these calls? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Hard To Say What He Knew, Sir, But It Makes The 'Clinton Front' Line Look Rather Off, To Me |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Obama doesn't owe Women's Voices, Women's Vote anything -more spin |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. No, Sir, Just The Husband Of Its Founder Is Owed $140,000 By Sen. Obama's Campaign |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
15. Yeah... it was "accidental" that someone calling themselves "Lamont Williams" called black folks.... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. That's funny. Talk about your gullibility. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. Screw up, eh? 11 times.... after being warned repeatedly..... Talk about YOUR gullibility |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. This Is The Sum Of The Illegality, Sir |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. The investigation doesn't seem to be over yet, though. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. The Virginia People, Ma'am, Seem To Have Got So Off You Could Not Even Call them Wrong |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I've read everything I can find, Sir, and this operation is indistinguishable |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. In Pure Marketing Terms, Ma'am |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. That's the claim, true. But if I keep telling you |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. No Elections Have Been 'Screwed Up', Ma'am, If You Are Talking About The Democratic Primaries Of '08 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #65 |
80. Explain this to me. Your Honor has a much rosier view of human nature than I do. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Hard To Say, Ma'am |
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Raejeanowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Where Do You Get Your Info? |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Now *there* is a darn fine question. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Certain zip codes have higher percentages of blacks than others.... the "Lamont Williams" |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. It would seem sensible to use voices that the recipients could . . |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
60. If they wanted to optimize their use of funds, maybe giving |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. You could be right. OTOH . . |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. Fwiw, for me this isn't about Clinton, it's about vote suppression. |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. I understand your concern. Please keep us . . |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. I agree with that. It's ridiculous already. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Same firm does voter contact work for robo-call group, Clinton campaign |
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Raejeanowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Where Do You Get Your Info? |
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jonestonesusa (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
34. I appreciate the article, but I'm still skeptical... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
46. The argument here is that they weren't aiming for |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
49. YOU may believe the spin, but it's pure BULLSHIT to anyone paying attention. The SAME 'mistake' |
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ecdab (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. spot on - you do it once, maybe it's a mistake. You keep doing it |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. This article reminds me of the time CBS didn't report vote |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Yes. You have to wonder if it's incompetence why no firings? or resignations? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Can someone figure out when that information was added? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. LOLOLOL....pathetic, isn't it? They believe PEOPLE ARE STUPID. They INSULT their own supporters |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Imho, they count on most people wanting to believe that other people |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. If there are dirty tricks going on . . |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. This operation, as I said upthread, is indistinguishable from |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
69. That sounds plausible but it happened in other states too. One Obama backer doesn't make their say |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-03-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. It's incumbent on people messing with elections to have a cover. n/t |
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