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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:04 PM Original message |
DNC convention stance surprises campaigns (Will seat FL & MI)!!!!!!!! |
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ossman (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yes. After Obama is still ahead after Puerto Rico, He will seat... still winning... and finish ahead |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. How come? MI was declared unconstitutional. It can be contested easily. |
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ossman (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. They can still be seated by the winner. After the primaries & SDs... he will seat them both. Done |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Party unity! Duh! WTF! |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. unconstitutional.??? - interesting - got a link? - didn't think so |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. here |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. LOL |
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Diana Prince (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. Here you go |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
54. This was common knowledge.. why didn't you know it? plenty of links if needed |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Yeah, but they imply that MI's election was unconstitutional when it was the law itself that was. |
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skooooo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. The party makes the rules. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. The SDs will need to move in kind, though. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. I predicted this and posted a comment about it. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Here's my thread gloating like crazy: |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. Like I said before - IT WILL be seated - just not now. |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. What about FL & MI SDs?!! |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Again, that is up to the Credentials Committee |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. So they don't interfere with the nomination process? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. "Interfere"? While the DNC is being inclusive, Obama supporters are still rejecting those states! |
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ossman (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
5. She only won by 10% in both I believe. Not enough to win. He doesnt want the "I won big states" BS. |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. I think Fl was 33-51 and MI was 55-40(Uncommitted) off the top of my head |
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ossman (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. MI was 55/45 for sure. I voted uncommitted. FLA I dont know. |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
33. No 55.3 to 40, sorry In MI |
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ossman (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Chuck Todd I am not. Same arguement though. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. That is correct - and 40% MI "uncommitted" was split evenly between Edwards and Obama |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. It is impossible to know that I also voted Uncommitted on that ballot. no way to determine the |
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ossman (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. But they will seat MI with the 55/45 split. Obama will agree after the SDs speak. |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Is this pure speculation ? and where do you get the 55/45 number? |
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ossman (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Yes, and my ass. Close though. |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. HAHA, thanks.. I needed a good laugh.... |
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Diana Prince (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Not to mention |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Exactly, those are the people who really got screwed, just trying to help our party |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Are you a delegate at the DNC? Then make a proposal. |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. I am a nobody, but I have suggested the 1/2 vote per delegate solution, with NO SD getting any votes |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Well, the Credentials Committee may do it that way. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
12. The FL members would not be allowed to vote on the nominee. |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Thanks Madi |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Did you read what madi quoted and what they claimed the very quote said? |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Yah, I did Joshcryer. Why? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Because what they quote is not the same as what they say. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Distorted, they cannot vote to *seat themselves.* Uh, duh, I said that 2 months ago. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
45. Why don't you alert on me and get it over with. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I've never alerted on you, I think you're well meaning... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. You are all over everything I say today. What is going on? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Got tired of the misinformation. The seating must show I get some good karma. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. I do have hard feelings. I don't like to be called a liar. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. The DNC isn't *discounting* them either, that's the important distinction. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
21. FL members can only vote on some things...not on the nominee. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. "vote on the question of whether to seat Florida's delegates" |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. What Dean did today is got them into the doors of the convention where they can be very loud... |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
25. But they can't vote on the nominee. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Uh, no, this gets them further than *anyone* here thought possible. |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. How can he do that? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. The only scenario where it would happen is if it hurt his chances, and he requested to keep them... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. By ordering his delegtes to disenfranchise 10% of the population (FL and MI) |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Come on. MI and FL broke the rules and MI's was found to be unconstitutional (state constitution) |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. MI's law, not election, you might want to read a bit deeper. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Who cares about idiotic rules created for two small arrogant states? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. The link actually explains it very well on the second page. Question is, would that ever happen? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
57. Now some speculation. Maybe they did it because Obama has the nod already. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
60. Kick |
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