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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 02:28 AM Original message |
My problem with Obama’s Speech on Race |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
1. Obama Is Not About Race |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 02:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. For the very reasons he gave in his speech he needed to address it |
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Drachasor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 03:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I'm not sure the country was ready to listen before his speech though |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 03:31 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Exactly And When Called Upon To Do So |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 06:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Obama's campaign has been more than a campaign for black America.... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 07:40 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Of course Obama is not and was not "the black candidate" running |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
19. This exact speech would not have been called for a year ago |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 04:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
55. And for your thoughtful commentary |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 08:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Who forced him now? |
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NickMorgan (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 03:20 AM Response to Original message |
4. check it |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 03:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. It is well written, but the logic of the piece is not well founded..... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 03:31 AM Response to Original message |
5. I have to dismiss you entire article...... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 07:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Fairly or not, there already was talk about Rev. Wright being controversial |
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goletian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 03:35 AM Response to Original message |
7. this was the best time for him to address race, it was the most relevant when he did it |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 03:38 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Aye...... |
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goletian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 04:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. that too, he was trying to keep everyone focused on the issues, not his color - nt |
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elizm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
12. “The time is always right to do what is right.” MLK, Jr. |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
13. Timing is everything and Obama lucked out on this one. |
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TexasLady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
16. I agree with FrenchieCat on one thing |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Racism is itself ridiculous. That is where all logic breaks down, but it exists n/t |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
17. Excellent. Thank-you |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
21. BALONEY, Tom....He planned to make this speech in the GENERAL when the greater attention |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I don't mind your strong disagreement, I don't take it personally :) |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. That dialogue should've started as the KNOWN nominee in April and be well into it by May |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. It actually took hours for me to write this OP |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. And instead of joining together to HAVE the dialogue furthered meritoriously, what do we have? |
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shellinaya (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
22. There were a lot of things wrong with his speech! |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I agree in one respect |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
26. Tom, I read the entire piece you wrote twice. I read it slowly and thoughtfully. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Thanks for taking my OP so seriously, and for your thoughtful reply |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. I guess I'm left not really understanding what the source of your objection to Obama is. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. For one thing I am not an opponent of Obama |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
29. your opening sentences says it all.....k&r |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
30. My problem is that he sought to excuse Wright for his attacks by |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Because minds and ears have been closing at an alarming rate on message boards |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Both you and Ana have made some excellent points and I thank you for them. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
32. Your problem with Barack's speech is that 1) you overlook |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I kept the more blatantly partisan aspects of this discussion out of my OP period |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I respect your thoughtfulness but no, you didn't entirely |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I agree with you on about what Obama did with his speech |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Tom, if this is what you really think, I can't help you. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. instead of this patronising bullshit, why don't you explain what happened in SC? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. "BO started all this by refusing to defuse the issue". |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I have at times in the past made an analogy about a specific aspect of Obama's political skills |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. What Clintons are you referring to? |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. he certainly allowed race on the table- waited a week till it benefited him.. and ONLY then |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 02:54 AM Response to Reply #44 |
53. Did he also "allow" Shaheen to accuse him of being a coke dealer? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 06:08 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Shaheen was a very high profile Democrat in a very key state |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. I hope you notice that I didn't quote Shaheen at all |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Fair enough. I agree that you only characterized his comments n/t |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #53 |
60. wow. you have just about all your "quotes" and "facts" completely wrong. and i won't respond to BS |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. That's fine, bettyellen. n/t |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. I was responding to your contention that Obama had no incentive |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. As I have posted in another context, the chair of the Independent Womens Forum |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
46. Well done, Tom. |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Outstanding thread Tom... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. It is indeed, and it bears mentioning that it was Obama's openess that spurred the dialog. nt |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
51. REC |
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sueragingroz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-22-08 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
52. America has not yet transcended race... ask Shelby Steele |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 03:57 AM Response to Original message |
54. Maybe right -- but perhaps Obama had different strategic approach ... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 09:10 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Hindsight no doubt is better than foresight |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 06:22 AM Response to Original message |
57. One of the many differences bewteen Hillary and Barrack |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 06:32 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. That was a great and profound speech that Hillary gave |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-23-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. She addresses real problems like her two opposing stands on NAFTA. |
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