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elizm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:41 AM Original message |
David Gergen on Obama's pastor story....A voice of reason... |
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DemsUnited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. Thank you for posting this. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
59. Deleted sub-thread |
mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
2. Recommended. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. I saw a lot of younger people in the congregation |
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elizm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:02 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Apparently you missed Gergen's point completely. nt |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. No, I get his point. |
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elizm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Sorry...didn't mean to offend. And I agree... |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
95. Afraid. |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I cheer Wright too. |
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hueyshort (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
60. My guess is that 90% of America will not agree with you. |
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ekwhite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
72. 90% of Americans disagreeing with you doesn't mean you are wrong. |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
3. He is right... but it's not necessarily this discourse... |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 05:46 AM Response to Reply #3 |
82. What is fundamentally false about saying Barack Obama doesn't fit the "rich old white men" profile? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
4. But isn't the goal to erase these different experiences |
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elizm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Gergen's point was that we should consider the differences in perspectives... |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Most of these clips they've picked to highlight were made long before |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I thought this was during Christmas or something... |
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elizm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. She said MOST of these clips. ONE was from December 07. nt |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I think I only saw that one. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 05:49 AM Response to Reply #17 |
84. Yep. One COMPLETELY UN-CONTROVERSIAL clip from 07 about Rich Old White Men who do exist. |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 05:00 AM Response to Reply #6 |
80. "Fairy tale", it was okay to bash someone for that though, wasn't it? |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. I say NO! Why homogenize the cultural diversity in our country and the world. |
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LoveTruth (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
32. Thank You |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Welcome to DU truth. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:02 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Why would we ever want to do that? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. "Erase" is a bad word, hows about "Replace" |
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LoveTruth (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Umm... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. I'm an Asian Female. I have even less chance of being elected President than a Black person |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 05:55 AM Response to Reply #40 |
85. Yes, but remember that you are at liberty to feel that way. Italians, Irish got white skin privilege |
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IowaGirl (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
54. I agree with you--it doesn't help us to move forward with helping all races achieve equality when |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 05:57 AM Response to Reply #54 |
86. What did Wright say that is racist? When realism is dismissed as racism it disturbs me. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #86 |
98. the "answer" to that is being peddled by Rush Limbaugh - see his website |
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LoveTruth (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. I hear what you are saying but I think you have missed the point. |
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nsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
31. Yes, exactly. |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. We're never going to have a post-racial society... |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
43. You can't move forward if you don't know where you've been. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. But hasn't everyone's experience been different? |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. dwell? |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. GREAT quote! And Welcome to DU, nsd and LoveTruth! |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. I may have heard it before |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
49. I would definitely think and hope not, no. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 05:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
83. You want to erase the black cultural experience to make America greater? |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
7. K&R Gergen was great n/t |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
9. Yes - and this is what is so stupefying to watch. Peoples comments being |
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InAbLuEsTaTe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
10. Gergen just nails it. |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
19. Thank God for Open Minds! Isn't that what a Dem is suppose to have? The new Pastor Rev. Moss bio.. |
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NDambi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
21. "And it's not a lack of patriotism. It is a different form of patriotism." |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 05:03 AM Response to Reply #21 |
81. Kind of like a white supremacist gathering in Idaho, but different. |
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morningglory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
22. White, rural perspective here: In low-income areas, like much of the south |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. An excellent 2 cents. Thanks n/t |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 06:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
87. That's fine, but Wright's apparently known as a scholar. |
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morningglory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Thanks for your thoughtful comment. I would not be surprised Wright is |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
23. knr |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
25. K&R n/t |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
26. Sure beats the calls for "Forced Conversion" |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
27. Hillary supporters think black Christians are a bunch of terrorists. |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. Whoa. Now there is a well considered, generic broadbrush condemnation. |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #27 |
78. Unless she needs their vote |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 03:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
79. This is the kind of BS that will guarantee good Democrats stay home come Nov. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
28. I love David Gergen. He is one of the best pundits out there. This is so true. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
33. Good on David Gergen, he IS a voice of reason.... |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
35. Gergen is often the voice of reason... |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
36. well said |
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CitizenLeft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
38. he's always been fair... |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
39. I saw that last night as well.. |
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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
44. This is how I see it. Why is Gergen the only media voice of reason? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
45. Yes! Exactly. |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
47. Thank you David Gergen |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
48. The only question is how many Americans are as enlightened, on this issue ... |
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BOHICA06 (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Nope ..... reason is not their strong point. |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. I think Obama's chances are still good. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
51. Excellent post. |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
53. K&R |
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MzShellG (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
56. I was kind of surprised by that. Isn't he a Hillary supporter? nt |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. Oh - that means he can't defend the black exprience. You better write and remind him. |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
57. Gergen really gained my respect last night when everyone around him jumped to condemn Wright. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
62. Gergen showed me a lot there |
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RevCheesehead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
63. Absolutely right. |
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dancingme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
64. I respect Gergen and hope to hear more of him |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
65. There needs to be an appreciation for difference of opinion about 9/11 as well. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 06:05 AM Response to Reply #65 |
88. Remember when Bill Maher was fired for saying the same stuff Wright said? |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
66. WAIT A MINUTE. Isn't Gergen just as LAZY and IRRESPONSIBLE a reporter as any of |
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Doug.Goodall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
67. This is a case of the right-wing fundamentalists getting even |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
69. Profound |
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Oslo (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
70. Wing-nut Pastor John Hagee endorses McCain |
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Taxmyth (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
71. Not so much the Pastor's words |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. No need to advertise "white church" or "black church" -- just giving out the address |
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ekwhite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
74. It's disconcerting to realize I agree with David Gergen on something |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
75. Intelligent comments. I think he gives us a lot to consider. n/t |
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Infinite Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
76. AMEN! I've always respected him as well. He's an honest/objective analyst. n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
77. History . . . ??? I think he means the propaganda of white male history . . . |
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damndude (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
89. funny how some have chose to decry the black church going experience |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
90. Thanks for sharing this elizm, it does sort of put things into perspective.... |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
91. "God Damn America!" is pretty clear, and is not a "different form of patriotism." |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
93. "Reverend Wright may love this country more than any of us... |
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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
94. K&R |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
96. black history needs to be part of all history |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
97. Sounds like she has been listening to Wright! |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
99. K&R True Progressives already knew this... |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
100. indeed |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
101. guys like Gergen give the Republican leadership more heartburn than democrats |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
102. How cowardly for Obama to disavow Wrights statements when white Gergen |
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