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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:33 AM Original message |
Just because you don't agree or they cause discomfort, Wright's sermons aren't "hate speech" |
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Saturday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. Hi Effie - |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Obama has not said that Wright was engaging in "hate speech" |
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Saturday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
21. Sorry, having a day to honor Farrakhan's "lifetime" achievements |
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hueyshort (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
60. Whether I agree or not, it is BONE HEADED to |
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anonymeme (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Well, Wright's Words: "God Damn America" & Calling the US "AmeriKKKa" Sound Like HATE Speech to Me. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Why does it seem that way to you? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #66 |
82. Ummmm, the Bible precedes the United States by a few years. |
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Slagathor (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #82 |
108. and it is full of hate speech |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #66 |
85. So ALL white Americans are KKK? |
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Slagathor (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #66 |
107. I'm sick of this AmeriKKKa shit. It's offensive. |
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elizm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Obama said he didn't agree with what he said in those tapes being played |
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virtualobserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. great post |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
4. On the other hand, he's not Joel Osteen. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
35. Joel Osteen the living definition of milquetoast. However, at least he doesn't get divisive. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. according to 60 minutes |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
37. Joel Osteen is not a Christian preacher. He's Tony Robbins with some Bible passages |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 07:08 AM Response to Reply #37 |
75. Osteen is a twit. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
112. He sure isn't. Osteen uphold the power paradigm. Wright rails against it. |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
5. They are clearly about bring us together, NOT. |
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elizm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. AGAIN...Obama is not on the tape, thank you. nt |
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virtualobserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. what a disgusting response to a wonderful post |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. End of that piece of unity nonsense I "hope" |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
113. Yeah, all that talk of bringing the country together in fine |
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pdxmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
9. Over and above the effect this had all had on Obama's campaign, I |
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CatsDogsBabies (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:20 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. I agree |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
43. I agree & the knee jerk partisan reactions on DU are curiously freeper like in their rhetoric |
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fight4my3sons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
10. so true |
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Sadie4629 (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
11. But--is it political speech? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I attend a mostly black church and hear it all the time...all the time... |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:20 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. political speech is not prohibited |
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Sadie4629 (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:32 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Okay, I understand that-- |
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RestoreGore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #15 |
39. Please don't tell me that video wasn't an endorsement |
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MzShellG (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
58. He did not state that he endorsed Obama. Assume what you want. |
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RestoreGore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #58 |
68. "Hillary Clinton was never called a ^^^^^^^" |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Ministers and churches are free to offer their opinions about political candidates |
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RestoreGore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #11 |
38. Sadie: I agree with you |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
12. I think most people realize that talking about racisim isn't racism itself. |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Don't count on it, their next move will be to catch him in a lie. |
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CatsDogsBabies (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
13. I agree |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
17. His rants are hateful |
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Voice for Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #17 |
31. and yours are.. loving? |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
19. Thanks for your post Effie. I don't view it as hate speech, either. |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #19 |
92. That's a lovely way of looking at it, Vinca. |
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RestoreGore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
20. Don't preach to me or tell me what to think |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. People can only present logic and context; no one can change your opinions |
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RestoreGore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. yes, and just like thinking Obama is perfect which is not factual either.... |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #36 |
84. Are you sure that in your... |
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quickesst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
24. One thing.... |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
25. Bull Shit! |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
26. Great post Effie, you are right people just don't want to understand... |
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Sadie4629 (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
27. Regardless, |
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Sadie4629 (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
28. By the way-- |
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JohnnyLib2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
29. Well said, Effie. I know you speak for many. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
30. Hate speech is alot of DU and free republic - you have the point exactly right |
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Voice for Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
33. Thank you, great post. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
34. A link to another hate speech |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Bingo! |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
41. Amen |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
42. What ever , he comes off as hateful |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. you don't know much about the black religious tradition, do you? |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. No I have not had a lot of exposure , however |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. You ignorance is part of the problem |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Proof of what ? |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. You admitted ignorance. |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. No , you calling me ignorant is nothing more than displaying |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. "no I have not had a lot of exposure" |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Well no kidding I can read |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. I don't know what you're so upset about |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 06:26 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. i think |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #74 |
110. Thanks |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #74 |
117. I don't need anyone to define what ignorant means |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #69 |
115. I don't feel I need to be an expert to weigh in . |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #48 |
100. You said, "MLK did not go around screaming , this sort of communication does no one any good " |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #100 |
118. This is not putting words in your mouth |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
44. k&r |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
45. K & R |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
50. i am leaning Obama |
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Flabbergasted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
51. Thanks for writing this. KR. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
52. Thank you Effie! |
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TexasLady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
53. Eloquent as usual Effie |
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Mike03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
54. Well, I am not sure. The only thing I have heard him say that I disagree about |
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Mike03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
55. Incidentally, What did Reverend Wright say about Israel that had John Rothmann |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 08:00 AM Response to Reply #55 |
79. "Israel is a dirty word" - not hate, because ya know, it's the Jews - It's OK to hate THEM |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
57. Effie... |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
64. OBAMA THINKS IT'S HATE SPEECH. NT |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 08:02 AM Response to Reply #64 |
80. But what does he know? |
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Mike03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
65. Maybe there is some more productive way to defend what this pastor has said. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. You don't have to defend what he said if you don't agree with it |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
72. Well, he's clear about how black men have been discriminated... |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 03:05 AM Response to Original message |
73. Outstanding Post Effie !!! - K & R !!! |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
76. Wright reminds me of ALL fundamentalist Christians. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. When did Wright say "you're evil because you're white?" |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 08:52 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. You can't shame me. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. You should be ashamed for misrepresenting what Wright said. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. You can't shame me. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #90 |
97. Obviously, you're not capable of shame - and keep repeating the same lie over and over again |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Don't pity me, either. Just go away. |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #76 |
116. Link To Quote Please !!! |
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carlotta (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
77. Rev. Wright "hearts" Farrakhan |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
78. YES, they are hate speech. Yes they are. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:02 AM Response to Reply #78 |
87. If blacks were in the minority and subjugated white Americans for centuries, it would make |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #78 |
89. Substitute white for black? |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
86. What I heard was "hate speech." I know racist talk when I hear it, no matter where it comes from. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #86 |
94. What did he say that was "racist?" Please be specific |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #94 |
119. Now you're thinking that our forefathers said "God Damn America"? What planet do you live on? |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. Thomas Jefferson said something very, very close to it: |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #86 |
96. whatever works for you... |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Circling the wagons |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #98 |
103. Running around the Internet.. |
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x-g.o.p.er (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
91. Uh, it is. Click on the TUCC website, then click "about us" |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #91 |
105. I think that is the Presbyterian Church |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #91 |
111. I a Synagogue web site said that the congregation "unabashedly supported Israel" |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #111 |
120. I heard about an orthodox rabbi who got too political. |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Well, that answer has nothing whatsoever to do with my question |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
93. Wright's sermons are "hate speech" |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. What specifically did he say that qualifies as "hate speech?" nt |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #95 |
101. "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color." |
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Slagathor (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
102. Yes, actually, they ARE hate speech |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. I think that all oppressed |
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Slagathor (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. I support Obama myself |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. I strongly disagree... |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #102 |
114. Yeah, our government never does things like that. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #102 |
127. The Tuskeegee Study is the context of that remark. |
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madisongrace (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
122. America is not ready to face the truth of the racial divide, |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
123. He is only ranting and raveing just to make money. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Nice try, but that's not true. |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #124 |
126. It is laughable to think of Wrights sermon's as "gods word." |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #126 |
130. Nice try at changing the subject. |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
128. Thanks for posting, Effie. |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
129. Effie, serious question - do you believe this? |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #129 |
131. I don't have to believe everything that someone else says in order to believe that they have a right |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #131 |
132. Man, it's impossible to get a straight answer from the |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #132 |
133. He's right to a degree and I don't agree with ALL of what he's said but that doesn't |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #132 |
134. First of all, I am not part of the "BO crowd" |
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