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debsianben (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 12:51 AM Original message |
Socialist Critique of DK |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. Sigh. I knew this was coming |
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mobuto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 01:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I came across a Maoist throwaway |
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Rich Hunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 12:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
60. well, if they the MIM |
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flaminbats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 01:17 AM Response to Original message |
3. hmmm... |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
4. NOTE: If you don't like the article... |
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flaminbats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 01:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. we'll see... |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 02:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. You're welcome to also read our critique of Dean |
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flaminbats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 02:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I'm glad to know this.. |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 02:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Well, you're welcome to submit a LTTE |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 02:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. They're usually fair enough, but the standards are set very high |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 02:31 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. We critique vis-a-vis the SP's principles and platform |
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flaminbats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 12:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
62. cool... |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 04:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
18. My suggestion |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 05:29 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Own it. Read it. Yawn. |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 05:44 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Yawn... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 06:01 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Deleted message |
Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 07:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
44. I think the article illustrates rather well why I, as a |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
63. Reply to one point, and a comment on the other two |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-11-04 06:08 AM Response to Reply #63 |
77. "independent unions, unemployed organizations and workers' councils" |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-11-04 06:42 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Quick comments |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-11-04 06:56 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. "some "government" approved by the Security Council's Big Five" |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-12-04 03:50 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. It would be nice |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
5. Gore Vidal said that |
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DannyRed (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 02:30 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. The point |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 02:47 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Interesting points |
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DannyRed (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 03:00 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Agreed |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 03:07 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. There are some similarities |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 04:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. That is all just ideology |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 05:26 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. So foolish |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 05:35 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. It's the same thing |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 06:18 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. It figures |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 06:44 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Actually, you are the one obsessed with "crowds" |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 06:48 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. your argument is 100% irrelevant to Socialism |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 07:05 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Well, I happen to agree with you... |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 07:21 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. we ARE getting there |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 09:06 AM Response to Reply #38 |
49. It's a class thing |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 09:38 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Jesus..... |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 11:02 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. As Lenin once remarked |
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Rich Hunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 12:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
61. terrific post |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 04:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
66. The Michael Moore approach |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 03:25 AM Response to Original message |
16. Dialogue in two parts |
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DannyRed (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 03:37 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Not true. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 04:09 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Examples? n/t |
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DannyRed (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 04:24 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Look around the web |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 04:27 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Sanders is an independent |
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DannyRed (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 04:35 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Wrong. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 04:42 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. So what socialist splinter group does he belong to? n/t |
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DannyRed (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 05:03 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. DSA |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 05:31 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Why? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 06:35 AM Response to Reply #25 |
37. DSA people run as Democrats, right? |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 09:11 AM Response to Reply #37 |
51. Yes, they do |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 07:58 AM Response to Reply #24 |
45. He's a vernacular socialist, I believe -- an old-timey sewer-socialist :-) |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 05:12 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Deleted message |
eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 06:56 AM Response to Reply #26 |
40. Haven't seen any of this in WA state |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 06:59 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. DSA isn't a party |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 09:09 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. We are SPUSA, not DSA |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
34. well |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 06:25 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. And the state? |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 06:34 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. This is what I think about that. |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 09:02 AM Response to Reply #36 |
48. My reply |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 09:12 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. well, I am talking about Institutional Socialism |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 09:30 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Allende was Chile's Kucinich |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 09:43 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. I appreciate this post |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 04:26 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. We clearly have to develop a political culture that could defend him |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-11-04 06:25 AM Response to Reply #54 |
79. "If he resisted, but left them intact" |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-11-04 06:33 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. That was from the Rolling Stone interview |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-13-04 01:31 AM Response to Reply #54 |
87. There's one major difference between the US and Chile |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-13-04 01:38 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Who needs "another superpower" meddling? |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
46. DU and Copyrights |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 08:55 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Dear Big McLargehuge |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
53. Excellent article! Thanks for posting it. |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 09:42 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. I'm with you Dhalgren |
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rdfi-defi (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
59. great thread |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-11-04 12:50 AM Response to Reply #59 |
68. I agree, this is an excellent article and thread |
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Michael Costello (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
65. This guy doesn't sound like a socialist... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-10-04 04:53 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Hi Michael! |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-11-04 02:53 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Reply |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-11-04 02:57 AM Response to Reply #65 |
70. I will point out that Soviet women had more reproductive rights in 1920 |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-12-04 06:06 AM Response to Reply #70 |
85. Soviet women had more rights in 1920. Period. |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-11-04 03:00 AM Response to Original message |
71. You addressed all my personal problems with DK |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-11-04 04:38 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Libertarian socialists |
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DannyRed (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-11-04 04:43 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Read my message below |
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DannyRed (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-11-04 04:42 AM Response to Original message |
73. How I see things |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-11-04 05:05 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Generally agree |
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DannyRed (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-11-04 05:26 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Martin, |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-11-04 06:22 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. I regularly read ISR, and sometimes read SW |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-12-04 03:04 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Thanks for posting the link to Debs tendency |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-12-04 11:11 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. "The anointed one" |
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