Warning signs of an Onation...

[Clintonista2]

http://www.rickross.com/warningsigns.html

Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.

Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.

No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.

No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.

Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.

There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.

Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.

There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.

Followers feel they can never be "good enough".

The group/leader is always right.

The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

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Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.

Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.

Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.

Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".

Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.

Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.

Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.

A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.

Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.

Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.

Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.

[iconoclastic cat]

1. Thanks for polluting DU with yet another unhelpful post about jack shit. nt

[faithfulcitizen]

16. And comparing 1/2 the dem party with...

From this website:

1. Scientology
2. Jonestown
3. Landmark Education
4. Skinheads
5. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and his International Transcendental Meditation movement
6. Abusive and Controlling Relationships
7. Hate Groups and Extremists
8. Neo Nazis
9. Herbalife
10. Benny Hinn

How has this tactic worked for so far? Dismissing all supporters of a (very) potential democratic nominee with groups like this is just flamebait BS, nothing more.

[donheld]

2. Sure sign of a crybaby

Threads like this.

[Clintonista2]

4. "No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry." - Keep going!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. Where were the questions or critical inquiry?

I must have missed that.

:shrug:

[LittleClarkie]

14. Oh yeah, well you're candidate is just a poopie head

Crybaby. Geez, haven't seen somebody called that since grade school.

[guruoo]

21. !

:rofl:

[Prefer]

3. Sounds like DU...

[faithfulcitizen]

5. This is disgusting...

[Windy]

6. Boy oh boy...is this the new Hillary campaign talking point? I've seen it all too frequently.

That frankly would be the lowest form of dirty politics.

Try sticking to the issues.

This type of GARBAGE is why people are turning away from Clinton more and more every day.

Keep it up. Your candidates campaign is the biggest momentum booster for Obama.

Are you people that insecure about the positions and worth of your candidate that you have to resort to juvenile tactics?

What the hell do you think you are trying to prove by continuing to spout this kind of utter nonsense?

I've never seen such desparation and lack of confidence in a presidential campaign and its candidate!

[jsamuel]

7. that is a cult, but I think what people are refering to is a the Cult of Personality, which is

different
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Personality

You really shouldn't post that cult stuff. The Cult of Personality is an interesting thing to understand and we must by weary of it for any leader. That is important for Clinton or Obama or anyone else.

[Windy]

9. And another one...wow. Do you idiots want us to come out and vote for Hillary if barack loses?

Keep this up and many will stay home, including those independents who will vote for McCain before even thinking about casting a vote for Hillary who uses distasteful methods to try and force her way into the whitehouse instead of running on the issues.

[jsamuel]

13. I told the op to not post it.

The Cult of Personality is an important subject and is relevant to any political leader. It is a big deal in history. Good people like JFK have been discussed as part of it as well as bad people like Stalin. There is a rock song called the Cult of Personality as well.

Bush definitely has it or more accurately had it after 9/11.

[AX10]

12. Still, I am weary of Obama for this reason and much more.

[jgraz]

8. Lirwin2: Warning signs of Onanism.

[mtnsnake]

10. Poetic...very good!

:thumbsup: :evilgrin:

[scheming daemons]

11. I'll bite

"Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability."

Hillary refusing to release her tax records. Not abiding by DNC rules regarding Florida and Michigan. Yep... no accountability.

"No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry."

Hosting a town hall with planted questioners. Having planted questioners at other events. Yep... that's Hillary.

"No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement."

LOL. Yep.... that's Hillary and her tax records.

"Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions."

Yep... Hillbots blaming her bad press on a MSM conspiracy, instead of as an accurate reflection of her campaign.

"There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil."

Yep... every person who endorses Obama is called all kinds of names by Hillbots.

"Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances."

Ex-Clinton staffers are now working for Obama... telling stories about how bad the Clinton's are.

"There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader."

Yep... TONS of articles and television programs about all the abuses of power by the Clintons over the years.

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Damn dude... It's real surprising that you would post something so negative about Hillary Clinton and her supporters.

Hillbotism really IS a cult.

Thanks for warning us.

[billbuckhead]

18. Hillary is a politician, Obama is the leader of a "movement"

[bpeale]

15. THIS POSTER IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN THEIR THINKING

smart retorts are not an indicator of intelligence you know.

[mckeown1128]

17. Sounds like Hillary:

Let's go through the first list

Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.

Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
(Won't apologize for IWR vote, lists excuses)

No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
(Planted questions and scripted Hallmark channel town hall)

No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
(Won't release tax returns)

Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
(Vast right wing conspiracy, media conspiracy)

There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
(Kennedy, Kerry, Moveon, and Culinary Union thrown under the bus)

Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
(Throngs of former Clinton admin. workers and advisers defecting and criticizing and thus being labeled right wing shrills)

There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
(See 90's)

Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
(I won't even touch this one for fear of being flamed to death)

The group/leader is always right.
(Clinton voted against a ban on Daisy cutter use on civilian populations...being defended on DU as just one example)

The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
(It isn't true unless it is posted on hillaryis44 or by Taylor Marsh)

[billbuckhead]

20. The Clinton years were the best years for many Americans, if that's a cult, then fine!

BTW, Obama has the same exact record on Iraq as Hillary since joining the senate.

[mckeown1128]

26. What voting for money to keep the troops alive...

Do you honestly think that stopping the funding would have forced Bush to end the war? The answer is no. It would have only weakened the progressive movement against the war. The point is Obama was against the war and Clinton supported and made the case for the war.

[Clintonista2]

27. So since Obama stopped voting for the money, he now wants the troops to die?

[mckeown1128]

28. No, he like Hillary knows that the other dems will cave...

Both are making a political statment. The only vote that mattered was the IWR and she not only voted for it, she spoke out in support of it. It was the wrong thing to do. Obama did the right thing by publically standing against the war...even though it was politically dangerous and he knew it.

[Clintonista2]

29. So he's willing to kill the troops in order to make a political statement?

[mckeown1128]

32. Umm...NO....did you even read what I wrote....

Voting against the funding is a political statment...Both Obama and Hillary KNOW that their are enough spineless senators to ALWAYS push the funding through. The reason they are voting against the funding now and not earlier is because public opinion has turned. They can vote no now without hurting the antiwar movement. If Hillary had stood up against the war before it started...other dems might have joined her. Public opinion would not have been so much for the war if senators like Hillary hadn't championed it's cause in the beginning.

[billbuckhead]

35. It was really politically dangerous back there in Illinois voting "present"

IWR, the greatest vote Obama never made.

[mckeown1128]

43. I have made several posts about the "voting present"

In Illinois it is a VERY common tactic that is normally part of a larger strategy. I will try to find the article that has posted about how much of a LIE it is for someone to insinuate that it was because of a politician not standing up on issues. It shows how ridiculous Clinton was when she lied about Obama's record.


Let me get this straight. You are knocking Obama for havin not been in the senate to get the chance to vote no on it. But you are totally ok with Hillary having voted no and spoke out publicly on the floor of the senate in support of it.

[billbuckhead]

34. Do you honestly think that voting against the IWR would have stopped Bush from invading?

Do you honestly think that voting against the IWR would have stopped Bush from invading? It would have only reenforced image of the Democrats as the anti-troops party .

[KennedyGuy]

19. chilling...positivly chilling how accurate this is...

Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.

Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.

Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".

Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.

Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.

Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.

A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.

Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.

Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.

Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided

Its the Obamanation explained fully...
chilling....

[cbayer]

22. Seriously, which side are you slamming? This seems to fit neither, but could fit both. nt

[Neecy]

23. this is beyond stupid.

[Azathoth]

24. Are you trying to describe Obama? Cause this sounds eerily like Hillary and her followers n/t

[Political Heretic]

25. Could apply to anyone in a primary. ANYONE. Can't you engage in substantive discussion

...about actual issues?

[pingzing58]

30. This post is an obamanation and I'm not listening to it! Lalalalalalala

[Tatiana]

31. What is your point? Think this is cute? Clever?

No. It's trashy and classless and so very beneath you.

And don't give me any crap about so-and-so does it too. Be an adult and set an example.

[quakerboy]

33. How Ironic.

Thats just beautiful in its irony. 1, 2, 3, 5, 11, 13, 14, 17, 19, 20. Wow.

[intaglio]

36. So you are saying that a Clinton presidency would be unsafe?

or that the Clinton campaign is an unsafe campaign?

[rodeodance]

39. Is black white for you?--Bush has that problem.

[intaglio]

42. Just check it out

Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.

No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. HRC - check, BHO - pass

No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement. HRC - check, BHO - pass

Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions. Clintons - check, Obama - pass

There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. HRC - unknown, Obama - unknown

Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances. HRC - check, BHO - pass

There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader. HRC - Check (mainly from RW shills), BHO - pass

Followers feel they can never be "good enough". HRC - unknown, BHO - maybe

The group/leader is always right.HRC - yes, BHO - pass

The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible. Clinton supporters - check, Obama supporters - Check

Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration. Clinton supporters - unknown, Obama supporters - unknown

Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens. Clinton supporters - check, Obama supporters - check

Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution". Clinton supporters - check, Obama supporters - check

Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior. Clinton supporters - pass, Obama supporters - pass

Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.Clinton supporters - check, Obama supporters - check

Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.Clinton supporters - check, Obama supporters - check

A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.Clinton supporters - check, Obama supporters - pass

Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.Clinton supporters - unknown, Obama supporters - unknown

Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.Clinton supporters - check, Obama supporters - pass,just

Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.Clinton supporters - unknown, Obama supporters - unknown

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[cali]

37. You are mentally ill.

Seriously, you and cyberpiehole need a pair of matching straight jackets and a heavy duty shot each of thorazine. You are a rabid little freak.

[CyberPieHole]

38. Spot on. Kick and recommend.

The Obama Cult is out of hand.

[thesubstanceofdreams]

40. "No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as..."

Funny that it is Hillary who doesn't release her tax return, while Obama did release his. And funny that Hillary hid her $5 million loan to her campaign until it became politically expedient to do so.

But Obamanation is a cult while Hillarynation is made up of 100% rational, objective people :sarcasm:

[ProSense]

44. It's desperation, fear and denial!

7.3 million votes for Obama

7.3 million votes for Hillary

[Crunchy Frog]

41. I don't think it's fair to talk about Hillary and her supporters that way.

Maybe accurate, but certainly not fair. :shrug:

[CyberPieHole]

45. Kicked

[DS1]

47. *laff*

I was right.

[Clintonista2]

48. about what?

[DS1]

49. That the attacks were going to build in hysteria and outright fuckitude

So yesterday I went all the way to the extreme possible end, and I see that assclowns are slowly catching up.

[robbedvoter]

50. Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".

Yup.