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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:43 PM
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October 10, 2002
Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of
United States Armed Forces Against Iraq


As Delivered

Today we are asked whether to give the President of the United States authority to use force in Iraq should diplomatic efforts fail to dismantle Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons and his nuclear program.

I am honored to represent nearly 19 million New Yorkers, a thoughtful democracy of voices and opinions who make themselves heard on the great issues of our day especially this one. Many have contacted my office about this resolution, both in support of and in opposition to it, and I am grateful to all who have expressed an opinion.

I also greatly respect the differing opinions within this body. The debate they engender will aid our search for a wise, effective policy. Therefore, on no account should dissent be discouraged or disparaged. It is central to our freedom and to our progress, for on more than one occasion, history has proven our great dissenters to be right.

Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power. He used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds and on Iranians, killing over 20 thousand people. Unfortunately, during the 1980's, while he engaged in such horrific activity, he enjoyed the support of the American government, because he had oil and was seen as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran.

In 1991, Saddam Hussein invaded and occupied Kuwait, losing the support of the United States. The first President Bush assembled a global coalition, including many Arab states, and threw Saddam out after forty-three days of bombing and a hundred hours of ground operations. The U.S.-led coalition then withdrew, leaving the Kurds and the Shiites, who had risen against Saddam Hussein at our urging, to Saddam's revenge.

As a condition for ending the conflict, the United Nations imposed a number of requirements on Iraq, among them disarmament of all weapons of mass destruction, stocks used to make such weapons, and laboratories necessary to do the work. Saddam Hussein agreed, and an inspection system was set up to ensure compliance. And though he repeatedly lied, delayed, and obstructed the inspections work, the inspectors found and destroyed far more weapons of mass destruction capability than were destroyed in the Gulf War, including thousands of chemical weapons, large volumes of chemical and biological stocks, a number of missiles and warheads, a major lab equipped to produce anthrax and other bio-weapons, as well as substantial nuclear facilities.

In 1998, Saddam Hussein pressured the United Nations to lift the sanctions by threatening to stop all cooperation with the inspectors. In an attempt to resolve the situation, the UN, unwisely in my view, agreed to put limits on inspections of designated "sovereign sites" including the so-called presidential palaces, which in reality were huge compounds well suited to hold weapons labs, stocks, and records which Saddam Hussein was required by UN resolution to turn over. When Saddam blocked the inspection process, the inspectors left. As a result, President Clinton, with the British and others, ordered an intensive four-day air assault, Operation Desert Fox, on known and suspected weapons of mass destruction sites and other military targets.

In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad.

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.

Now this much is undisputed. The open questions are: what should we do about it? How, when, and with whom?

Some people favor attacking Saddam Hussein now, with any allies we can muster, in the belief that one more round of weapons inspections would not produce the required disarmament, and that deposing Saddam would be a positive good for the Iraqi people and would create the possibility of a secular democratic state in the Middle East, one which could perhaps move the entire region toward democratic reform.

This view has appeal to some, because it would assure disarmament; because it would right old wrongs after our abandonment of the Shiites and Kurds in 1991, and our support for Saddam Hussein in the 1980's when he was using chemical weapons and terrorizing his people; and because it would give the Iraqi people a chance to build a future in freedom.

However, this course is fraught with danger. We and our NATO allies did not depose Mr. Milosevic, who was responsible for more than a quarter of a million people being killed in the 1990s. Instead, by stopping his aggression in Bosnia and Kosovo, and keeping on the tough sanctions, we created the conditions in which his own people threw him out and led to his being in the dock being tried for war crimes as we speak.

If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan?

So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.

Others argue that we should work through the United Nations and should only resort to force if and when the United Nations Security Council approves it. This too has great appeal for different reasons. The UN deserves our support. Whenever possible we should work through it and strengthen it, for it enables the world to share the risks and burdens of global security and when it acts, it confers a legitimacy that increases the likelihood of long-term success. The UN can help lead the world into a new era of global cooperation and the United States should support that goal.

But there are problems with this approach as well. The United Nations is an organization that is still growing and maturing. It often lacks the cohesion to enforce its own mandates. And when Security Council members use the veto, on occasion, for reasons of narrow-minded interests, it cannot act. In Kosovo, the Russians did not approve NATO military action because of political, ethnic, and religious ties to the Serbs. The United States therefore could not obtain a Security Council resolution in favor of the action necessary to stop the dislocation and ethnic cleansing of more than a million Kosovar Albanians. However, most of the world was with us because there was a genuine emergency with thousands dead and a million driven from their homes. As soon as the American-led conflict was over, Russia joined the peacekeeping effort that is still underway.

In the case of Iraq, recent comments indicate that one or two Security Council members might never approve force against Saddam Hussein until he has actually used chemical, biological, or God forbid, nuclear weapons.

So, Mr. President, the question is how do we do our best to both defuse the real threat that Saddam Hussein poses to his people, to the region, including Israel, to the United States, to the world, and at the same time, work to maximize our international support and strengthen the United Nations?

While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq. I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998.

If we get the resolution that President Bush seeks, and if Saddam complies, disarmament can proceed and the threat can be eliminated. Regime change will, of course, take longer but we must still work for it, nurturing all reasonable forces of opposition.

If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise.

If we try and fail to get a resolution that simply, but forcefully, calls for Saddam's compliance with unlimited inspections, those who oppose even that will be in an indefensible position. And, we will still have more support and legitimacy than if we insist now on a resolution that includes authorizing military action and other requirements giving some nations superficially legitimate reasons to oppose any Security Council action. They will say we never wanted a resolution at all and that we only support the United Nations when it does exactly what we want.

I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial. After shots are fired and bombs are dropped, not all consequences are predictable. While the military outcome is not in doubt, should we put troops on the ground, there is still the matter of Saddam Hussein's biological and chemical weapons. Today he has maximum incentive not to use them or give them away. If he did either, the world would demand his immediate removal. Once the battle is joined, however, with the outcome certain, he will have maximum incentive to use weapons of mass destruction and to give what he can't use to terrorists who can torment us with them long after he is gone. We cannot be paralyzed by this possibility, but we would be foolish to ignore it. And according to recent reports, the CIA agrees with this analysis. A world united in sharing the risk at least would make this occurrence less likely and more bearable and would be far more likely to share with us the considerable burden of rebuilding a secure and peaceful post-Saddam Iraq.

President Bush's speech in Cincinnati and the changes in policy that have come forth since the Administration began broaching this issue some weeks ago have made my vote easier. Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.

Because bipartisan support for this resolution makes success in the United Nations more likely, and therefore, war less likely, and because a good faith effort by the United States, even if it fails, will bring more allies and legitimacy to our cause, I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go way with delay will oppose any UN resolution calling for unrestricted inspections.

This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.

And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation. I want this President, or any future President, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war. Secondly, I want to insure that Saddam Hussein makes no mistake about our national unity and for our support for the President's efforts to wage America's war against terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. And thirdly, I want the men and women in our Armed Forces to know that if they should be called upon to act against Iraq, our country will stand resolutely behind them.

My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.

Over eleven years have passed since the UN called on Saddam Hussein to rid himself of weapons of mass destruction as a condition of returning to the world community. Time and time again he has frustrated and denied these conditions. This matter cannot be left hanging forever with consequences we would all live to regret. War can yet be avoided, but our responsibility to global security and to the integrity of United Nations resolutions protecting it cannot. I urge the President to spare no effort to secure a clear, unambiguous demand by the United Nations for unlimited inspections.

And finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am.

So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.

Thank you, Mr. President.





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I could post hundreds of links to photos that are a lot more graphic but I just want people to remember that if we send Clinton to the White House we will be sending someone partially responsible for starting the Iraq War.

She could have took a stand against it when it most mattered.

She didn't.
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REDFISHBLUEFISH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:44 PM
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1. Another cheap shot by Obama people? Go figure! He voted to fund the war!
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 03:45 PM by REDFISHBLUEFISH
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:50 PM
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8. DId you see the video of Obama questioning Dean
about the Iraq war in 2003.

Dean said that now that we were in Iraq we had to fund the war, so that the soldiers were supported and the Iraqi people would get a good outcome. Even he was wrong about that.

Dean was the politician in the US who most opposed the war.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:01 PM
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12. Yep. It's much better to send troops over there, and then yank their funding from them.
After all, their families don't need to eat, right?
And they don't need body armor, right?
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:32 PM
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22. That's not how it works, Nice RW meme.
Wars have been de-funded before. You don't de-fund *troops*, you de-fund the war effort. Huge, huge distinction. It's been done many times over the past 50 years. Here's a list:

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/01/military_deployments.html

Any military that would just abandon troops in the field would be brought up on crimes against humanity. The military leadership would not allow it. If commander awol ordered it, they would mutiny.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:45 PM
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3. As did Hillary!
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:59 PM
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9. Please Red,
This is not a cheap shot, it's a telling shot. And reading her own words does not make her a bad person, but an unthinking one. Senator Clinton did indeed lack wisdom at that point. I and hundreds of thousands of people marched against the Iraq war, protested our hearts out. I heard once that it was more than a million worldwide who protested this war. We could see the intelligence was crap and the Congress should, many probably did, know it was crap.

And as far as the funding vote, if you yourself have a plan that includes not funding the troops and also bringing them home before they get shot to pieces without armor, without equipment,without supplies, I'm sure Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi would love to hear it.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:44 PM
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2. KNR!
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:46 PM
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4. Triangulation only gets you 1/3 of the way. Never quite there. nt
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:46 PM
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5. Faulty intelligence... Kick Bush and republicans for this
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:46 PM
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6. K&R! The time for her accountability for this mess is finally here!
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:47 PM
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7. Obama's votes helped pay for what you see in those photos...
there is no peace candidate besides Gravel now
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:05 PM
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14. Yep. The lack of moral courage in both is appalling.
That's why I'll more than usually grateful for the write-in option on my ballot in 2008.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:00 PM
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10. In all seriousness, did you read the text you pasted above the photos?
:shrug:

That doesn't sound to me like someone who was hankering for war. It sounds like someone who knows how foreign policy is conducted, knows that it's a nuanced world out there -- not to mention here at home -- and that diplomacy is an art often painted in shades of gray. Her stance seems very much in keeping with American traditions regarding the Senate and its role in conducting foreign policy.

I just don't see her commentary as an indictment of a Clinton candidacy. Just the opposite. To me, it seems to refute the "Clinton is a warmonger!" rant that gets so much play on DU these days.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:10 PM
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19. Maybe what we need now is
....rather than:

"someone who knows how foreign policy is conducted"


we need: someone who knows how foreign policy WAS conducted, and is committed to changing that code of conduct.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:23 PM
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20. Many times. Hand wringing counts for nothing.
Bush and the neocons are mostly responsible for the war. But Clinton played her part.

She could have stood up.

She didn't.

She could have been courageous.

She wasn't.

She could have been bold.

She wasn't.

She could have made a difference.

She didn't.

She could have been a leader.

She wasn't.

Granted not that many were being real leaders at the time. Like Clinton, they all wanted to save their own skin.

But Obama stood with the anti-war protesters and spoke out.

Clinton can never claim that mantle.

She has never apologized, never admitted her error.

Only when the winds changed, did she change her rhetoric.

She wagered Iraq would be easy. She wagered with other's lives.

Not only was she only out to save her own neck, she made a very bad prediction of what was to happen.

She said she trusted Bush "at his word".

Very bad judgement, indeed.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:32 PM
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21. Well, I guess we see things differently. I don't think the Senators...

... in the chamber at that time were out to save their own skins. I think they were all in a very tight spot, trying to get things done in a way that balanced some very real risks. Sure, I wish she'd voted no. But from what I know of American history, I think I understand some of the environment in which the Senate was operating.

In any event, this thing is Bush's "war." To post those pictures and put the blame squarely on Hillary -- or Obama, for that matter, given his later votes -- is simply inaccurate and unfair, IMO.

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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:00 PM
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11. Obama is just as guilty since he continually votes yes
on war funding. Clinton is not the cause of the Iraq War. Give me a break. The more I see crap like this, the more I like her. People just CAN NOT come up with legitimate complaints about her. It is always something like this that is false. Then I see all of the posts that would agree with this crap and they have Obama 2008 avatars. I really have been on the fence about these two candidates, actually leaning toward Obama. I am just not sure about this any more. I think he may just be an empty suit who would make a good motivational speaker. But I just don't really see any substance in him or his fans. I want to know why you like him so much, not why you hate her so much. I am one step closer to her after reading this. Thanks for the push.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:06 PM
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15. He continually votes "yes" to fund the troops that she sent over there...
That bastard!

Really though, her funding votes are not that different than his. So the main difference between the two is that she voted for the war, while he spoke out strongly against it.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:09 PM
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18. But they both fund it and they are equally guilty.
Now if he would have voted no on ANY war funding bill, that would give him my vote for sure. But he always votes yes. He may say he was against the war, but we will never know what he would have done if he was actually in the Senate at that time and was privy to the same intelligence that she saw. He may have looked at the "evidence" that Bush showed Clinton and the others who were actually in office at that time, and voted differently.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:35 PM
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23. Why? You do realize that the funding is for the troops, not the war, right?
You would rather he cut off funding when it primarily affects the troops, and (despite what some say) does NOT force Bush to end the war.

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:03 PM
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13. K&R Political expediency at it's ugliest.
Thanks for the reminder of what Hillary did.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:06 PM
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16. I Wonder If We Reach Back Into The Archives Of DU At This Point In Time.......
what the sentiment was about this on this board? I seem to recall that DU was pretty united against * because we didn't trust him to take it slow. If we all knew at the time that this was not the right thing to do - essentially give * a blank check - how come those in Congress that had to vote for this not know. Did they trust * more than we did?
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:36 PM
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24. Hear hear, global1
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Girlieman Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:06 PM
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17. It's nice to know
That when difficult decisions have to be made, Senator Clinton examines the decision from every political angle and leaves almost no political consequence uncovered.

Zero consideration of principle or right and wrong.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:37 PM
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25. Yep. And she's been practicing it for quite some time.
Like when she was on the board of Wal-Mart. What was the point of standing up for organized labor when it *probably* wouldn't make a difference and could possibly jeopardize her ambitions?

That's one thing we can count on Hillary for, always doing the right thing...for herself.
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