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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:43 AM
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The Clinton Campaign is using the "We've Locked Down" CA meme....
as a means to supress voter turnout. If they can disenchant Obama voters by making them think their vote is meaningless, then they really will win CA. That is the only reason they're pushing this "CA is all but done" bs on on us. They're backed against a wall.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:47 AM
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1. /yawn
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 09:48 AM by Tarc
Wolsh the Broken Record, strikes again. :applause:

There's this little, simple thing called "confidence". It isn't a bad thing to display, y'know. Maybe if Team Obama grew a bit more of a spine, and stopped bellyaching about recounts, parsing voting patterns along racial divides, denigrating Floridian voters for wasting their time, etc...they'd find some of it too.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:49 AM
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3. You're post and the OP have absolutely nothing to do with one another
I guess you've never watched the primarys before but you always lower expectations unless your only option is to raise them and supress votes.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:53 AM
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6. /yawn x2
"Lowering Expectations" is the sign of a loser. I'd prefer to see a candidate go into any contest, whether it is a debate or a primary or a general election, with confidence. if you prefer them to slink in, crossing their fingers for that trademarked Obama "Hope", then that's your deal. Not mine.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:13 AM
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9. Funny....Obama never engages in these ploys...
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 10:14 AM by TwoSparkles
It was clear that Obama would smoke Hillary in South Carolina.

Never once, did he engage in this type of bravado. The man has class.
Hillary is a brazen manipulator.

Furthermore, I was a precinct captain for the Obama campaign in Iowa.
It was well known before the caucuses--that Obama was winning handily
and that Hillary was sinking like a bowling ball in quick sand. Guess
what? The Obama campaign never used a "We got it locked down...awww yeah,"
meme. They didn't issue statements or press releases that touted their
success, as a strategy to deflate supporters of other candidates.

To take this one step further, an Obama higher-up told me about these numbers,
just a few days before the caucus. I asked about opponents' numbers, and guess
what? The Obama campaign refused to release internals about their opposition,
because they wanted to focus on the positive---our win, not someone else's
failures.

Judging from your comments...grace, dignity, class and decency are not expected
from your candidate. In fact, the lack thereof--is rationalized.

Haven't we seen enough of this during Bush's two terms?






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NavyDavy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:20 AM
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11. no he uses his surrogates to do it!
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:29 AM
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14. That is not true...I just told you that wasn't true...
Like I said (and I type 90 wpm so I have no problem repeating
what I just said)...Obama had the winning numbers and proof
of Hillary's imploding Iowa campaign--a few days before
the caucus.

He didn't tout his numbers, as a device to dishearten the
other candidates' supporters.

Did you even read what I said?

He had Hillary's internals. They showed her campaign tanking.
Obama knew she would come in third.

They wouldn't release those internals to anyone. Not even people
working in the Obama camp.

I was in Iowa---and he never "sent out his surrogates". What you're
saying is untrue. No one knew about those internals. Not most
people in the Obama camp, not the media, not the voters.

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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:59 AM
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18. Just because you say it, doesn't make it the gospel truth
The "surrogates" bit is referring to people like Kerry, who waved his hand and dismissed Florida because of the lack of delegates awarded.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:26 AM
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13. You're confusing class w/ lack of confidence which was appropriate in SC because he possibly could
have lost to HRC. Nothing is a given.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:37 AM
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15. LOL!
You're saying that "nothing is a given". Well, isn't it true that "nothing
is a given" as it relates to California?

Hillary could lose California, couldn't she? The latest polls have Obama
trending upward and Hillary trending downward.

The gap is 3-4 points now, in the latest Rasmussen poll. Hillary was up
20 points in California at one point.

Yet, somehow....it's ok for Hillary do claim a "lock down" in California,
even though you just stated that "nothing is a given".

And please...you are hysterical. You think Obama "lacked confidence" in
SC, and that is what fueled his lack of brazen bragging?

Take off the pro-Hillary beer goggles for five minutes.

I hope you don't plan on driving with those on.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:00 PM
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19. It's never OK to assume anything, it's anyones race to win. Here are some more polls
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:40 AM
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16. Are you really that naive?
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:01 PM
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20. I think the word is insightful. Obama does not look confident but why should he? He lacks the
experience or gravitas that would foster confidence.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:04 PM
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21. "Grace, dignity, class and decency". The "snub" wiped that out in one fell swoop. (eom)
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:48 AM
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2. This could be what they are saying
But I believe Hillary will take california by a small margin, just my opinion.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:50 AM
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4. Any word on NEWLY registered voter numbers in California?
I know alot of people in LA area would never even register to vote because nobody likes to do jury duty in LA.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:51 AM
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5. its amazing how you actually know what HRC people are actually thinking!
you must be cleaning up on the stock market today

Msongs
Riverside CA
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:58 AM
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7. Its not hard, if you have any experience at all, to know what a campaign is saying when they
release a press release.
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NavyDavy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:08 AM
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8. you don't go into a game thinking dang im going to lose....its
always we are going to smoke their butts.....
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:14 AM
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10. It's just WWE-style hype
and nothing more.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:25 AM
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12. Link, please.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:48 AM
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17.  don't have a link. But as related note I did see they were saying early votes have already won them
CAlifornia.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:30 PM
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22. What do you need a link of?
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