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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:13 PM
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Obama calls Clinton divisive figure
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 03:13 PM by ProSense

Obama calls Clinton divisive figure

By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

DENVER - Democratic White House candidate Barack Obama on Wednesday said rival Hillary Rodham Clinton is too polarizing to win the presidency and she has taken positions shared by President Bush and Republican candidate John McCain for political expediency.

Obama depicted Clinton as a calculating, poll-tested divisive figure who will only inspire greater partisan divisions as she sides with Republicans on issues like trade, the role of lobbyists in politics and national security. At the same time, he elevated McCain, fresh off victory in Florida's crucial primary, as the likely Republican nominee.

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"It is time for new leadership that understands the way to win a debate with John McCain or any Republican who is nominated is not by nominating someone who agreed with him on voting for the war in Iraq or who agreed with him in voting to give George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran, who agrees with him in embracing the Bush-Cheney policy of not talking to leaders we don't like, who actually differed with him by arguing for exceptions for torture before changing positions when the politics of the moment changed," Obama said.

"We need to offer the American people a clear contrast on national security, and when I am the nominee of the Democratic Party, that is exactly what I will do," he said.

The Clinton campaign said Obama was abandoning his pledge to run a positive campaign by making misleading attacks on her record.

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Obama drew more than 10,000 people to his speech at the University of Denver. They packed a hockey arena and crammed into two overflow rooms and still were lined up outside to get in. Colorado is a caucus state, one of 22 to hold nominating contests Tuesday, and is one of a handful of states where the Obama campaign is predicting victory. Clinton has the advantage in several others, while several are still up for grabs.

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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:14 PM
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1. Just more politics of hope from nobama.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:17 PM
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Just more truth from Obama.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:05 PM
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57. Obama has been the most devisive candidate in U.S. History
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 04:07 PM by neutron
I could not BELIEVE he started out the last debate with an attack on Clinton.
On DR. MARTIN LUTHOR KING'S BIRTHDAY. Totally disrespectful.
And his last speech in NC was racially driven.

I'm convinced Kennedy stepped in to make sure Obama didn't take things
in a bad direction.
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grrr050 Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:20 PM
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16. Same O' same O' from the Ghandi of Unity
Didnt he guaranteed that no matter what happens, his supporters will not go to Hillary.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:28 PM
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27. What is the matter with Gandhi?
He was one of the great figures of the Twentieth Century.

I am sure that Obama would be humbled by your comparison.




Spell check: Gandhi has a h.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:27 PM
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25. What a crybaby! he's missing his..


pooh bama!
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:30 PM
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30. Mr. Uniter?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:42 PM
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43. Bambi has to face Hillary awl awone... Thursday night..
he's already missing John Edwards.

Now, he'll have to do his own dirty work.
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:38 PM
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38. Two threads on my screen. "Obama calls Clinton divisive figure" and
Hillary Announces - Voices Across America: A National Town Hall Webcast with 21 Super Tuesday states

:rofl:

And the Brits say we don't do irony. :nuke:
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:15 PM
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58. Boy!
The truth really hurts, doesn't it?

"Your gal" divides more than she unites.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:14 PM
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2. It's true she is polarizing.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:16 PM
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6. Unlike Obama who unites us all in love and peace.
He's a uniter, not a divider.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:19 PM
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15. .
:spray:
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:25 PM
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20. Everyone except you, aquart. What's so funny about peace love and understanding?
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:16 PM
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3. Talk about an understatment.
Hillary is EASILY the most divisive politician in the country.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:16 PM
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4. And saying that is sooooooooooo
unifying. :eyes:
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:27 PM
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haha nt
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:33 PM
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32. no shit blackvelvet
I thought the same thing.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:44 PM
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45. It's amazing...
the unifier is slamming the other candidate and calling her divisive? :rofl: :spray:
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:16 PM
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5. This will help the surge of McCain. Indies are getting turned off by this kind
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 03:17 PM by demo dutch
of campaigning by both Dems. We're going to need the Indies to make it happen.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:17 PM
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7. Obama turning into an ever more Bitter Betty?
Whodathunk?
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:17 PM
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8. When reading anything by Nedra Pickler,
might as well skip her "summary" and go right to the actual quotes.

She is a spinner for the right, that one. I wouldn't trust her "analysis".
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:17 PM
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9. That's rich, coming from him
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:17 PM
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10. Because implying your opponent is racist is all about unity!
"It is time for new leadership that understands the way to win a debate with John McCain or any Republican who is nominated is not by nominating someone who agreed with him on voting for the war in Iraq or

"who agreed with him in voting to give George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran"

Yes it was such an important issue, he decided to campaign in Maine instead...even when the original vote was held.

"who agrees with him in embracing the Bush-Cheney policy of not talking to leaders we don't like,"

Oh look another lie by Obama about Hillary and diplomacy.

"who actually differed with him by arguing for exceptions for torture before changing positions when the politics of the moment changed," Obama said."

From someone who supposedly came from the left and has done nothing but run to the middle that is hilarious

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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:29 PM
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29. Send Bill out there to set the record straight
We'd enjoy hearing from him again.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:34 PM
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33. ROFL
That was funny. :-)
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:42 PM
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42. I loves me some fairy tales
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:17 PM
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11. Pulling the old "polarizing card" again. Keep saying it over and over again
and this gives the Republicans all they will need come the GE if Hillary wins the nomination.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:25 PM
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21. Sorry to tell you
her high negatives aren't because Obama points out she's polarizing.

Most of the country formed their opinion of her long before this campaign started and a good number of them don't view her favorably.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:27 PM
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23. Polarizing is as polarizing does and speaks. nt
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:35 PM
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34. Many Hillary supporters seem to be proud that she is "polarizing" in the sense
that she will be better than Obama at bashing Republicans over the head and taking back control of the country from them. Her strategy seems to rely more on promoting an "us vs them" (Democrats vs Republicans) (good guys vs bad guys) than Obama does. I would expect some of her supporters to prefer a "polarizing" (read - confrontational, partisan, direct) approach to Republicans over a "kumbaya" approach which they might pin on Obama.

And some of the "polarizing" effect she may have is more the fault of Rush and the RW boys than it is her fault. To them she is the "devil they know" while Obama is in many ways the "devil they don't know" or at least not as well yet.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:18 PM
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12. they're both devisive
equal to each other in that regard

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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:18 PM
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13. He's right.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:19 PM
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14. More than 10k
Wow!
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:21 PM
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17. "Obama depicted Clinton as a calculating, poll-tested divisive figure"
Is this the politics of hope? Getting away from the old style of politics?!? :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:22 PM
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18. Is he wrong?
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 03:22 PM by Dawgs
:shrug:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:23 PM
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19. Which, virtually by definition, is a pretty divisive statement to make
Obama seems interested in pursuing unity with fair minded Republicans, approaching that dialog with a substantial percentage of his own party base angry with him over how he regards and lables a leading Democrat who they feel speaks for them. It doesn't take a genious to see the problem with that. Get your own house in order Obama, relations inside your own party, before you go seeking unity across the aisle, or they will be able to take you to the cleaners and we will pay the bill.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:26 PM
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22. Obama is now saying what many, many Democrats have been saying for some time
It's nice to see that the gloves have come off, and Hillary is finally being called out on what she is.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:48 PM
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48. "The Great Pretender" was supposed to usher in a new kind of politics. Remember?
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:27 PM
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24. Divisive, polarizing.......
These are two words that most Americans don't commonly use.

Divisive and polarizing are words that repukes starting using several years ago to describe Hillary Clinton.

Why can't DUers understand that when you use the words divisive and polarizing you're repeating the repuke meme.

These words been implanted into your subconscious (sp) and when her name is mentioned you repeat the words divisive and polarizing like some well-trained dog.

I'm not buying the hype and neither should DUers. At least make the repukes come up with new words to describe Sen. Clinton - don't do the repukes jobs for them!
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:46 PM
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47. Obama has now bought into and is promoting a RW talking point. I am absoltely disgusted with him n/t
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:27 PM
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26. Sounds like he's finally finding his voice
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:29 PM
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28. More than 10,000?? And some still waiting outside???
In Denver!!???!!!

That's incredible!
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Altec Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:30 PM
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31. Obama is Distorting Iraq Vote Again
I agree that Hillary can be divisive, but Obama is distorting Hillary's Iraq Resolution vote for the umpteenth time. She didn't vote to go to Iraq, she voted for inspectors to finish their job in hopes of preventing a war. At the time, I believe that was a smart move when it comes to our safety. Obama is allowed to distort things for sake of argument, but anytime Hillary does it she is the status-quo attacking.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:35 PM
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35. dupe
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 03:36 PM by AtomicKitten
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:36 PM
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36. So, you really think the IWR was a "smart move when it comes to our safety?"
The IWR was a blank check; make no mistake about that. The IWR abdicated Congress' war-declaring powers to one man - a dipshit.

Hillary never bothered to read the NIE before casting that vote. If she had, she would have read the plethora of caveats that proved the rush to war was based on bullshit.

She should not be rewarded for that cynical, politically-motivated YES vote that gave Junior a blank check that he promptly cashed. It demonstrated her utter lack of judgment as a leader.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:43 PM
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44. welcome to DU
if Clinton wanted to make sure the inspectors could finish their job she could have voted FOR the Levin amendment rather than against it.

Bottom line, she trusted the Bush administration rather than her fellow Democrats that voted against the IWR
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:58 PM
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53. Begala and Carville BOTH said anyone who voted for the IWR not thinking Bush would use it to go to
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 04:00 PM by jenmito
war is an idiot! (paraphrasing, but same idea) And more than half of Congressional Dems. voted against it knowing exactly that. She obviously voted for it to look "tough."
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:37 PM
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37. The anointed Obama has become boorish.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:39 PM
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40. After 12 months of Hillary treating this thing like a coronation...now Obama is the 'anointed'?
:rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:06 PM
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61. Exactly! n/t
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:39 PM
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39. I only read the direct quotes anymore.
I swear, the amount of spin and shit these reporters are trying to kick up in this election is insane. I no longer trust any of their "interpretations" of what the candidates say. I only pay attention to the direct quotes.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:41 PM
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41. He has to talk like that to run down the clock.
Why can't he be positive, like he claims he is, and talk himself up?

After he spews about hope, inspiration and a new politics, he has too much time left and must say anything to keep from giving us details about why he is qualified for the job.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:52 PM
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52. "The Great Pretender" has gotten so full of himself that he's changed course
on all that uplifting stuff. Obama reminds me of the main character in the movie "A face in the Crowd" with Andy Griffith.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:45 PM
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46. Absolutely spot on. Of course the rabid clintonistas can't see the forest for the trees...
...but that's to be expected from them....
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:49 PM
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49. Not even debatable.
n/t
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:51 PM
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50. There goes the Unity message. n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:02 PM
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55. He has to get the nomination before being able to unite the country. Duh.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:51 PM
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51. She is
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:02 PM
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56. He might as well -- especially since Hillary is not allowed to fight back.
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:59 PM
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54. Nice to see Obama go on the offensive for once..
He'll need to be on offense for the big debate. This is going to be the biggest debate of the entire election this year, imo.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:22 PM
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59. lol
How ironic.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:29 PM
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60. Hillary on Bill
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