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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:07 PM Original message |
The Only Fair Thing To Do With Regard To Florida and Michigan |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yes, imposing arbitrary delegates, with out regard to the voters of the state |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. Oh, yeah, or as Nader said in 2000: "Why don't they flip a coin?' |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. I would say 35% Obama, 35% Hillary, 30% Edwards |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. All the delegates vote for the winner |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
5. On the contrary |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
6. There's no good solution. |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. i know |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. But splitting them equally is disenfranchisement as well, as their votes will have nothing to do |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. as it stands now, their votes already don't count |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. That's disenfranshising the voters who voted for their preferred candidate. |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. not if they told the candidates not to campaign there |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Yes you can. Locals can still campaign for their preferred candidate. |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. my problem |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. They don't matter toward the nomination. |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. of course I get that |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. The only way they have any sway or change anything whatsoever... |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. yes, sorry. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. No campaigning is their punishment for going early. Getting their votes thrown out is very severe. |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
40. There IS Campaigning In Florida BY Clinton & OBAMA! Cheaters!! |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
8. What about giving Kucinich a few of those delegates? n/t |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
9. That's a kick in the face to the voters. Are you a real Democrat? |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. The vote in michigan was not valid. A lot Obama and Edwards supporters stayed home! |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. That's dishonest, 40% of the vote was uncommitted. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Bingo - the one thing the DNC can do to alienate more Democrats |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Indeed, they needn't change the rules whatsoever. Just go to convention. Let people vote. |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Why should MI and FL get away with this? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I don't think you understand how the convention works, I suggest you look up mine and madflordians.. |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. I do understand how it works... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. They're not getting away with anything, their votes don't go toward the nomination. |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Don't accuse me of hyperbole, please... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. That would not be fair. The others withdrew their names from the ballot as the party requested. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. That is a boldface lie and you are unable to substantiate it. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. Then why would they remove their names from a ballot that they had gone |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
10. Or just seat them as uncommitted... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
13. No, the DNC has decided the fair thing to do, and that is to vote to have them seated. |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
18. They should be apportioned on the first ballot according to the National Popular vote |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
19. Nope...no one from FL or MI should be seated |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. It always counts in democracy, the record numbers didn't come out for "it not counting." Sorry. |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. One man's "democracy" is another's anarchy, sorry. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I'm not saying they should at all. Where am I saying that? |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
20. I wouldn't doubt that might be the ultimate solution. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
23. Isn't awarding the delegates in this manner, |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
27. Actually, Obama campaigned here. I don't believe Hillary did. nt |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
41. Are you suggesting breaking the rule? |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
42. Michigan did not have all the candidates name on the ballot |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. The candidates in question chose not to be represented. |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
46. Exit polls Michigan |
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