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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:36 PM
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Poll question: Do we have any new Obama supporters, as a result of today's historical
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 01:44 PM by Truth Hurts A Lot
endorsement from the Kennedy's?

ETA one more option at the bottom
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:36 PM
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1. NO, I'm kinda pissed about the Kennedy endorsement
to be honest.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:41 PM
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3. Senator Clinton is not entitled to anyone's endorsement. nt.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:42 PM
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5. That's not fair, just because you don't support her. Many people do. nt
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:53 PM
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10. Cali, I didn't mean that no one should endorse her
I meant that she's not entitled to endorsements from particular people simply because of who she is, or a past relationship with them. That seems to be the attitude of the Clintons and their supporters. Here in Arizona when our Gov (Napolitano) endorsed Obama the response from the local Clinton camp was outrageous. They were issuing scathing press releases and threatening her political future. I have never seen such a response over endorsements in my life. I believe you were the one who posted an OP stating the 2 appropriate responses to an endorsement: Congratulate or say nothing. I couldn't agree more. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:10 PM
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18. Except I'm not cali.
:rofl:

I just don't see the point in bashing for the sake of it, unless I'm defending against an assertion I know is wrong or someone is insulting to me. When the latter happens, I eventually find the 'ignore' button, and it works like a charm.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:17 PM
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28. Sorry babylonsister!
:blush:
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:43 PM
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6. yea, whatever. Im still pissed
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:41 PM
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4. Why?
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:43 PM
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7. because this might help Obama
And I want Hillary to win.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:50 PM
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8. wow. I'm impressed by your honesty nt
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:02 PM
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15. Eastern establishment Democrats feel obligated to endorse Obama
because they were embarrased and shocked by the "Bradley Effect" in New Hampshire. They're afraid of a mass exodus of Afican Americans from the Democratic Party after Hillary's nomination.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:13 PM
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21. No Bradley's effect in NH - A plurality of white men voted for Obama!
A plurality of women voted for Clinton. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 04:22 PM
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32. Exit poll data: Back to square one.
Voters who gave false answers to polling/surveys are at the heart of "The Bradley Effect".
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 04:25 PM
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34. So, you are stating your opinions as facts.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:53 PM
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9. I'm not pissed about it, but I am very disappointed in him.
I can only hope he knows something about Barack that Progressives don't know. :(
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:54 PM
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12. Why be pissed? The Clinton campaign messed that up for themselves.
They should have known to play shit cool and they didn't. That was a screwup of colossal proportions.

Perhaps she needed to be brought down a notch to get her game on.

I say this as a person who doesn't support anyone yet. But I do see the unfairness heaped on Hillary Clinton.

I will say this, her campaigning prowess apparently is a myth or she needs to get a grip on her campaign. Either way she and her team are fucking up BIG TIME. They played right in to Obama's hands. Obama was able to nibble away @ her from the bottom up. They used classic whisper techniques on her ass and she instead of whispering back her campaign came down like a dayum tanker ship.

NOT SMART.

Her campaign needs grace, she ought to be smart and know you can't go @ a black candidate like you would a white one cuz EVERYTHING will be perceived as racial. EVERYTHING.

Clinton, allowed her campaign to fuck up. Personally I'm shocked. I thought she was way smarter and had way smarter people around her than she did.

With that said, she can still pull this off. She just needs to unload the idiots running the show and do her thang.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:06 PM
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17. She IS doing her thang
This is exactly who she is and a lot of us have been trying to point it out for a very long time. She isn't going to change because she doesn't know any other way to be.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:33 PM
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26. Looks like that may be the case. I also think her campaigning prowess is a myth.
She sucks @ it. She sucks @ picking people to work for her, in turn the people she pick suck @ picking people who work for them.

It is a cluster fuck. Pretty crazy but a cluster fuck none the less.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:12 PM
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19. Agreed. If this continues she's toast in the General
It's pretty sad really, I was once in her camp too.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:36 PM
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27. Teddy told the Big Dog to lay down and be quiet, he refused,
and now he must be punished!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:40 PM
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2. I cannot think of anyone whose endorsement of a candidate would override my own personal
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 01:40 PM by BrklynLiberal
assessment of their qualities.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:53 PM
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11. For Obama only if Edwards is out.
Obama and all others on either side will not keep us from running out of easy to get oil or the impending stock market crash. 4 years from now we will all be wishing we had spent our time building small farms and saving non polluted water resources. But don't worry ...keep driving your SUV and be happy.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:56 PM
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13. nope
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agdlp Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:00 PM
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14. I might, if he could explain the how he is going to bring change and unite the country
I am a Clinton supporter, but I might go for Obama in the end...

I like it when Obama says: " I believe we will move beyond the politics of fear and personal destruction and unite our country with the politics of common purpose"

But he never talks about HOW he is going to do that uniting..The political stall mate is in the house and senate, isnt it ??


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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:28 PM
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23. By continuing to have scenes like the one today
Even the most hardcore repug can be converted.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:03 PM
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16. I had to vote "No, never" because there wasn't an option for "No, it doesn't change who I support"
I'll support Obama if he gets the nomination, but I can't think of anything that would sway me to his side in the primary. If Edwards drops out, I'll be moving to the "Undecided" camp.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:12 PM
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20. I'm waffling but that's just Monday talking.
:)
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:26 PM
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22. Obama is still my #2. Sticking with Edwards while he is in the race. n/t
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:29 PM
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24. Well, I jumped on the bandwagon yesterday
But maybe I'm prescient
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:30 PM
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25. Those are good numbers if legit for Obama on DU.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:27 PM
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29. these are GREAT numbers for Obama
So many people on DU are either supporting him or thinking about supporting him.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:35 PM
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30. I'm for Obama if Edwards
drops out but not until if or then.
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:36 PM
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31. Looks like some fanatical Hillarites freeped your poll....
I'm not surprised.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 04:25 PM
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33. Okay, I'm in.
We all want change, and I think we've been paralyzed by a lack of inspirational leadership and a vision that transcends this hamster wheel we seem to be trapped in.

If not Obama, then who?

Teddy describes what needs to happen to make change - he doesn't just "feel it in his bones" he's been there - he knows. I know Obama wants the job, and this vote of confidence from a trusted opinion really gives Obama's words the weight that they need. I've wanted to believe for some time that Obama can do it, but was hesitant to commit. I think I can do that, now.

Out of respect for Walken, and to restore my reputation as a candidate slut, I'm not taking down my Walken banner until tomorrow.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:53 PM
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39. Welcome aboard!
But in fair disclosure, I'm a Clintobamanite.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:33 PM
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46. Thanks! I could live with that.
:thumbsup:
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 04:30 PM
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35. Obama is my 2nd choice after Edwards
I like Obama although he could be better on a few issues. It doesn't hurt that he's taking a lot of Edwards' lines now.

That said, I sent in my absentee vote for Edwards today. I'm proud to cast my first presidential primary vote of my life for him.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:03 PM
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36. My opinion remains the same.
If Obama is our candidate, I will vote for him -- until then, I'm an Edwards supporter all the way. Endorsements don't do anything for me.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:06 PM
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37. No
But never say never (as your poll did)

I will fulyl support Obama if he is our nominee.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:18 PM
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38. No
But the liberal lion's endorsement makes me feel a lot better about him.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:56 PM
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40. Why is this "historical"
I don't get it.

Sounds to me like a bunch of people that are really into backslapping themselves. Kennedy is just a senator and this is just another endorsement.

Does this make all of the Kennedy's other endorsements "historical" as well?

Like some watershed moment/turning point in history?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:57 PM
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41. You'd have to see it. It was a very powerful moment in time
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:58 PM
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42. I don't have to see it
calling this historical is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

LMFAO!!!!!
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:03 PM
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43. Kennedy = the past, Obama = the future
So its historical in terms of the future of this country and the world. (I'm assuming Obama will be president.)
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publicatlarge Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:23 PM
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44. Obama momentum has probably peaked...
...and the endorsement by Ted Kennedy runs counter to the message of change and hope that was fueling Obama's campaign. Obama was best served, being perceived as a Washington outsider, whose rise in the polls was due to the momentum of 'the people'. In the end, Kennedy's endorsement of Obama will probably be seen as marking a turning point in his campaign.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:25 PM
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45. Nope, the more they try to shove this guy down our throats
the more that I dislike him!!!!!!
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