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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:29 PM Original message |
For Gay Democrats, a Primary Where Rights Are Not an Issue, This Time |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. talk about shoddy journalism |
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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Thanks for this info, dsc. nt |
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bigscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. no shit |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. Kucinich used to mention it all the time, too (in 2004) |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. Gay rights are civil rights. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
5. Deleted message |
dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I will be sure to invite you to the next funeral of a person who kills himself |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I will be sure to remind you |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Obama seems to be distancing himself from the glbt policies of his own denomination |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Oh please |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Hey, keep fighting by yourself if that's how you want it |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. He said, and I quote, we are all sinners |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. And the unspoken part of that is "but YOUR sin is WAY WORSE and anyway |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
57. Bingo |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Imagine what other group would be included on the basis of "we're all loathsome like they are really |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. Just sad |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. that is the exact construct ex gays use |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. You saying that makes your anti-choice stance kinda ironic... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. I don't claim to |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. That it's wrong to denigrate people?? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. actually they say that all the time |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Oh, so we should stop challenging people |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. The point is they are not hypocrites |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. That wasn't the point of Obama's statement |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. as a gay man raised in a fundamentalist religion |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Fine. I'll support ending AIDS funding from now on |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. I hope you forgot this... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Hey, talking to people is a fuckin waste of time |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Good question! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:33 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. YOU said it was a waste of time |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Wow. |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. I'd rather hear Senator Obama tell the world |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. One step at a time |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #48 |
67. So do you agree with whoever that asshole "pastor Rick" is says about "sickness"? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. That AIDS is a sickness? Yeah, I think it is n/t |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. that isn't what pastor rick means |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. NO. That is specifically comments about AIDS n/t |
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Kucinich4America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. According to the tenets of Christianity, ALL are sinners. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Which is bullshit, as "sin" is an imaginary construct, developed by |
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Kucinich4America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
45. If you're an atheist and consider the concept of sin invalid, maybe so |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
63. Well, I would remind you that the "doctrine of Christianity" depends on who's interpreting |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Gays aren't interested in being included because you're all as bad as us. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. For Christians who think differently |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
51. They do need to be challenged. I'm still waiting for that to happen. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. You have to listen to him to hear it n/t |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. GLBT Americans are not sinners |
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Kucinich4America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
54. Now you're distorting things as bad as the homophobes do. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #54 |
86. Bull. No other group gets identified first as "sinners" and then put in the context |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Context is everything |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
61. But they have their "levels" of sin |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I'm sure he'll get them to "embrace" more of us, so they can help us overcome our "problem" |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Yeah, like they embraced me to hold me down |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
40. These millions of gays are already welcomed into churches |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Yes I see marriages all over the country |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. If by reality you mean fantasy, then I guess you're right |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. dupe |
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Kucinich4America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
58. There are plenty of churches out there who accept you as you are |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. And we need ALL churches to do that |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. I'd better buy my skates now because it's going to be one great hockey game |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Don't beat him up for trying n/t |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Senator Obama can do whatever he wants |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Yeah, we could go back 30 years I suppose n/t |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. And Senator Obama is the only one who can prevent that, right? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. When all you have left is snark, you lose n/t |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Keep telling yourself that |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Whiny nellies? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. OMG who on "ignore" said THAT?? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. DrFunkelstein |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. I wonder if "Dr" fuckingstain even knows what it means... |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
80. Same bullshit, different day |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Well said. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. "Whiny nellies"? Nice. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. HEY STRAIGHT PEOPLE. Wake the fuck up! Why aren't you condemnnig Dr Fuckenstein? |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. Thank you. |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
46. "Whiny nellies"??? What an assholeish thing to say n/t |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
84. Somebody called us "whiny nellies"? |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Yes and no. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
56. Nice display of insensitivity and homophobia... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
8. Edwards wrote a bill to make sexual orientation a protected category in job discrimination |
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Tektonik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
47. 'The impromptu debate, over light beers and dirty martinis' I stopped reading |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
53. There is another explanation for why GLBT Americans aren't mentioning "gay" |
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Kucinich4America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. Pray for a gridlocked convention in Denver then |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. If only. I'd do whatever I could to get a candidate like that |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
79. What can I say? It's NYT! |
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