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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:22 PM
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There's a lot more to it than race, gender, speaking style, or GLBT issues.
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 12:52 PM by dailykoff
Not that these aren't important in themselves, but the reason Obama is far and away the best candidate has little to do with any of them, although they are clearly helping him win races.

A far more important issue is the gigantic global US military footprint -- an out-of-control military-industrial complex, to put it bluntly -- and the only one of the three Dem candidates who has given any evidence of actually reining it in is Obama.

Clinton: "I'm your girl" wink wink; IWR: yes; Kyl-Lieberman: yes; US-Mexico border fence: yes, repeatedly.

Edwards: Iraq: IWR co-sponsor; Iran: red-meat speech at Herzliya last January promising in no uncertain terms to nuke Iran, and he has not, to my knowledge, retracted it, not that it would really matter.

Obama: spoke out against the Iraq war; did NOT vote yes on Kyl-Lieberman; speaks against torture, renditions, and illegal detainment, and speaks reasonably about withdrawal; he is not Kucinich but as far as pulling out he's the best chance we've got.

And that I imagine is one very, very important reason intelligent Democrats like Kerry and Caroline Kennedy are backing him. And Teddy too if the rumor is right!

EDIT: changed "life style" to "GLBT issues" by request.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:24 PM
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1. "life style"?
what the hell does that mean?
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. I didn't say it was unimportant,
but it's not the most important consideration in this election.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:37 PM
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11. What does it mean?
explain "life-style"
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. It means gender-sexuality issues.
As if you didn't know.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. Figures you'd use a smear word. GLBT people have lives, not a "life style".
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. I knew what you meant
I just wanted to expose you for the homophobic bigot you obviously are.

"life-style"?

up your's.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. If that's all you've got,
you can keep it.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. It's all I needed.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #24
45. Well, I changed it, so now you need something else.
:hi:
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #16
23. thanks maddiejoan.
:thumbsup:
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:25 PM
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68. We want basically the same thing, yet we're still dividing this into GLBT, gender, etc. issues
This is all in an effort to illogically divide us, because it's the only way when we agree on most things. Don't play into their hands.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #68
71. I'm not the one doing the dividing
I'm the one being used as red-meat.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. i have a life and not a life style. something you and obama should consider. nt
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:25 PM
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2. You're right about one thing, he speaks, but he never really means it.
He didn't bother to show up for the Kyl-Lieberman vote.

He is mr present or mr. not present
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:28 PM
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3. So, people who support Clinton or Edwards aren't "intelligent?" Fuck you. nt
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:28 PM
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4. Lets not forget the War on the Middle Class working stiffs
Who have been taking as many hits as an Iraqi Tank.

The voting public is more concerned about the economy now. Not like the huge debt spent in Irq isn't a large part of the problem, but it is only part of the problem
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:29 PM
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5. And all our candidates are addressing that. nt
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. BTW: Who do you trust to stand up to corporations
just wondering
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:34 PM
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8. Not the union-busting WalMart lawyer.
Not her NAFTA-loving twofer, either.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Easy now
I'm trying to cut down on my intake of candidate bashing

How about an honest answer
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. Obama.
To my knowledge he's never been a corporate lawyer or beneficiary of a Wall Street hedge fund.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:43 PM
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22. All three. nt
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:31 PM
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6. A thread I posted about this
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:37 PM
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12. What does "life style" mean?
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #12
17. You're trying to tell me "life style" is homophobic?
You're really scraping bottom my friend.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #17
26. Yes, it certainly is. It's a favorite homophobe word. Would you say "The Jewish Lifestyle"
or "The Black Lifestyle"?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #17
28. Yes, it is, as it implies choice
which is a very homophobic concept.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #28
34. Fine, if you have a better word, let me know.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. Your use of the word shows exactly what you mean. You might as well stick with it
rather than trying to camouflage your feelings.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #34
49. ORIENTATION
or you could just try LIFE.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #17
33. It demonstrates
that you think being queer is a "choice".

Obama has demonstrated similar leanings. It's a big concern, and it indicates absolutely zero knowledge of LGBT issues.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #33
40. Exactly what word or term would you like me to use, anyway?
Besides just ignoring what I'm saying?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. Use the word you mean. I'd rather know who you are upfront. NT
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. since you used race and gender
I'd expect you to use sexual preference.

There is little else in your OP to comment on --since it's mostly bullsh•t.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #17
78. It is. It's not a life-style, it's one's sexual identity.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:42 PM
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18. what the fuck is a life style?
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. An issue of relatively minor relevance to this campaign
if you really want to know.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. yeah oppression and civil rights isnt a big issue to obama. i get that.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. The important issues in this primary are international, not domestic.
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 12:46 PM by dailykoff
All three candidates have identical positions on lifestyle or whatever you want to call it.

What DO you want to call it, anyway?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. Way to go - just keep proving civil rights issues mean shit to you, and gays mean less.
!
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #30
39. my life. sexual orientation. glbt issue. almost anything that doesnt minimize our lives?
:eyes:
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. Fine, I'll change it to GLBT issues.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. While you've made clear the our lives are of minor relevance where you are concerned, they
still are pretty significant to us.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #27
36. They are not terribly relevant in this primary as all 3 candidates have identical
positions.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. They're identical - if you don't care. People who care about the issues will probe more deeply
to see what's up.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #38
46. And find what? A has-been piano player?
Come on.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #46
54. If you really cared you'd ask. Instead you choose to minimize or blow off the real
importance of it to real people.

You've made yourself clear.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:45 PM
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29. hahaha: "did not vote yes on kyl-lieberman" DID NOT VOTE AT ALL
so he took no stand so he could later say anything he wanted...and remember he too called the guard terrorists and he too warned that Iran posed a nuclear threat.

More BS.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #29
41. hahaha: Who voted "hell yes" for potentially nuclear armageddon?
Hillary essentially told Lord Pissy Pants "Hell yes!" you may wage war with Iran. :nuke: :thumbsdown:

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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #41
50. If it was truly nuclear Armageddon, don't you think your candidate
should have stood up and fought it?

Common sense does not reign supreme on DU.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. He's fighting it. Why the hell do you think he's running.
Hilly on the other hand let freakin' 911 go down in her own state without so much as a peep.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:07 PM
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52. What ever. He said NOTHING when the vote was going on--hiding
waiting for the publics reaction before having one of his own. But, his words, the ones he tries to hide are there for you to see, if you really want the truth;

HE SAID IRAN'S GUARD WERE TERRORISTS HE SAID IRAN WAS A NUCLEAR THREAT. The very same things that were in the bill

And for you to characterize it as Armageddon, is not near reality.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #41
53. Obama skates because he wasn't there.
We only know what he said he'd do. But once he got to Congress? What did he do to stop the war?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #53
56. actions speak louder than words.
and his actions so far are lacking in bravery. He waits for the fall out and then takes a stand.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #56
58. Hilly's had 35 freakin' years to take action and she's done ZIP
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 01:16 PM by dailykoff
except run on her neocon-PNAC appeasement record. Well the winds have changed but her record stands, so now all she has is her pathetic swiftboat. Can't wait for it to sink, frankly.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. "zip?" You might want to look over her history. You are conveniently
forgetting a significant amount of good she has done for America. It is a shame you do not give her the same benefit you give Obama...

backwards and in high heels. Her accomplishments are ignored, while one 1/2 of a bill and Obama is god.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:46 PM
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32. sorry, i don't speak jive so i don't understand what your point is.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:46 PM
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35. I hope that Edwards has the insight to back Obama sooner rather than later.
IMO, John Edwards could be far more instrumental at achieving "Populist Objectives" within an Obama staffed Executive Branch than he would EVER be under The Clintons. :shrug:
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #35
47. Yes, that would be a huge endorsement.
And the tide certainly seems to be flowing in that direction.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #47
57. My husband and I are "under truce" and splitting our donations between Obama and Edwards.
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 01:18 PM by ShortnFiery
Yes, we live in interesting political times within our household.

However, he does concede that Obama, if he can fend off the amorphous "experience cloud," would prove to be the BEST selection for President ... well, second to his candidate, John Edwards. :blush:

The pundits are squealing with glee at the thought, but IMO, the LAST THING that The Average American Wage Slave wants is "a brokered" Democratic Convention. :shrug:
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #57
62. An Edwards endorsement would be a big asset to either campaign.
I can't imagine him endorsing Hilly at this point but I think it's all going to be over in any case very soon. Obama's got the momentum and unless there's big time funny business I think super Tuesday will be a sweep.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:01 PM
Response to Original message
48. Lifestyle? The apple doesn't fall far from the McClurkin
tree, does it dailykoff?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #48
55. You don't have the capacity to forgive and realize that Obama cares about "all issues" ?
You just can't move on?

To me that reveals a hell of a lot about irrationally "nurtured resentments" and less about the true issues facing this campaign. :shrug:

Mark Penn is proud of you because while your brothers and sisters in The Military are continuing to be ruled under The Clintonian "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," you choose to hyper-focus on an SMALL issue that Obama has already cleared up. Obama does not agree with your nemesis. Yet you will not accept NOR forgive. How sad ... FOR YOU!

Wake up and smell the divisiveness: The Clintons have DEMONSTRATED that they only give a damn about minorities when it comes time to ask for their vote. In fact, regarding policy, the Bush Family and The Clintons are not all that much different, i.e., corporations rule, first and always.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #55
59. We can't be expected to forgive if Obama doesn't recognize what he did was wrong.
So don't ask us to forgive until you've gotten him to apologize.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #59
63. It's hopeless to reach you ... enjoy nurturing all those "imagined" slights.
:shrug:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. They're real, no matter how you try to minimize them. Your antipathy for gay people is noted.
:hi:
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #55
66. No, I don't have the capacity to forgive because I don't
believe Obama is sincere, and therefore I don't trust him.

It doesn't matter whether he agrees with McClurlin. He went ahead and allowed him to perform as part of his campaign.

Therefore, there's guilt by association.

Why is it you don't have the capacity to understand that?


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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #66
69. I like how the poster wants us to forgive, but then claims the slights are "imagined".
Why would anyone expect you to forgive an imagined slight?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #69
76. I mean talk about people living in a dream world.
It's insulting.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #76
80. The OP seems to be editing his post.
But it doesn't alter what I've seen here again and again. GLBT issues don't matter. And they don't matter because we say they don't matter. And that's patronizing and insulting. It's people patting us on the head and saying "there, there, you'll get your rights someday". This is basic equality we're talking about.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:20 PM
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61. The fact that you changed "life style" only on request speaks volumes.
Sorry, but my second class citizenship in this country as a gay man is very important to me. We don't have full equality here, we're not even close to full equality here, and that IS a big deal to me.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #61
65. It seems very easy for some of the 1st class citizens to tell the 2nd class to pipe down and
enjoy the ride.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #61
67. What I'm getting at is that there's a lot more at stake than this country
or your particular problems, real though they certainly may be. Don't you get it? We just got through slaughtering a million Iraqis and now the neocons are drooling over Iran, and that's not even mentioning Africa, Central America, Indonesia, or all the other killing fields Hilly's been enabling.

Are you getting it now?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #67
70. When you're a 2nd class citizen, or even show the least bit of awareness or concern
for our issues, you'll be in a better position to ask this of us.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #67
73. "real thought they certainly may be"?
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 01:30 PM by terrya
Yes, I am horrified over Iraq and our foreign policy. I certainly do get it.

But why is full equality for GLBT people something that is perceived as less than important?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #67
79. I Didn't Know Opposing Dumb Wars And Supporting GLBT Rights Were Mutually Exclusive
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 01:48 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #61
72. So people can't change without you "taking notes" that they were once "less than worthy"
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 01:36 PM by ShortnFiery
of your respect? I was a much more prejudiced person in my teens than I am now. I still must reflect on my behavior and guard against complacency. Why? Because it's HUMAN to stereotype. However, it's only when we fully embrace those prejudices and ACT ON them does it make us a patently "deplorable person."

Everyone holds prejudices. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to THEMSELVES. We all must work to counter those basal influences.

In the same vein, if someone messes up with "inappropriate" terminology ... well, thoughtful people will cut them some slack.

Understanding and helping them to counter ingrained stereo-types is what we, as democrats, should be about. NOT labeling others mistakes and covert borderline "prejudices." It's only when we are made aware of our biases that we can change. :shrug:

p.s. Hating every "Patriarchal Asshole" was just not an option for me as I was within of the first groups of WOMEN Officers to be integrated into the Army, i.e., dissolution of the WACS. However, by doing my best to "serve my gender" in an honorable manner, I changed a few minds and turned around some of the more OPEN but sexist men's attitudes to the contrary.

You will IMPLODE from pent-up resentments if you continue to personalize everyone and every- slight, perceived and otherwise. :(
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:06 PM
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81. i can remember bigotry w.out imploding. its your posts that sound like maybe you need
some time off.

:eyes:

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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:30 PM
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74. Yea Terry you dumb fuck....are you getting it now?
:eyes:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:33 PM
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75. Just call me selfish and ignorant and whiny, cboy.
God. :eyes:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:09 PM
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83. It's The Lifestyle You Chose
:sarcasm:
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:45 PM
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77. It was easy to speak out against the war, but he wasn't in Congress to vote against it.
How many Congressmen actually did?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:07 PM
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82. I find it interesting that when you think of GBLT issues, you think lifestyle...
which is a WELL KNOWN homophobic codeword. The fact of the matter is that you seem to be homophobic yourself. Its downright insulting, but also not surprising, especially coming from an Obama Supporter.
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