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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:52 AM
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President Hillary Clinton: Best payback for the Democrat-impeaching election-stealing motherfuckers
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 12:53 AM by Proud2BAmurkin
Anybody from any camp would have to admit that would be the most satisfying victory over the PUKES ever.

They would have the most miserable 8 years of their lives. Well since 1992-2000
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:54 AM
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1. I'm not looking for payback...
I'm looking for a good president.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:55 AM
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2. The payback is just a sweet sweet bonus
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:55 AM
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3. Ditto: No interest in putting a DLCer in the office.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:05 AM
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9. You would get a 2-fer
I do admit it would be funny to see the replicans cringe for 8 years, and have an effective president. But, alas, the republicans will cringe no matter which democrat wins. It doesnt matter which one wins really, the republicans will act the same no matter what, it's what they do. Had Gore won they would have immediately tried to impeach him. Same with Kerry. It is their warped destiny.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:06 AM
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12. I want to watch Bill Bennet's head explode on live TV I admit it
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:14 AM
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21. Hannity would die.
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DiamondJay Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:19 AM
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28. no he'd just get depressed and get even fatter
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:04 AM
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87. This is not a game! Forget the Republicans! Think of what the Clintons will do to working class.
Another Indiana factory, this time in Vincennes, is shutting down at the end of this year. The company is going to save millions, and the investors will see their portfolios increase in value, as hundreds of jobs are being send to Mexico. This is part of the Clinton legacy!
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RoveRage Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:47 PM
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104. Please stop speaking logically or else a ClintonCo rep will pay you a visit.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:52 PM
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106. RoveRage is right.
Keep quiet or the Clinton brownshirts will come after you.

Remember, Big Sister is watching.
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:44 PM
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103. well then everyone should be happy...
through HRC we'll get both a major payback and also a great president.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:55 AM
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4. No, I'm against neo-liberals as strongly as I'm against neo-conservatives.
And make no mistake, the Corporate Loving DLC is all about Neo-Liberalism. :thumbsdown:

Fascism is Fascism regardless of party affiliation.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:58 AM
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5. No one who understood Fascism could ever accuse HRC of being one. n/t
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 01:17 AM by pnwmom
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:03 AM
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7. What is it about corporatism you don't understand? Or are you suggesting Mussolini
didn't understand fascism.

Oh wait, your were talking about facism, not fascism. My mistake.

What's facism?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:09 AM
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16. HRC is a progressive Democrat and Mussolini was a Fascist.
DUers toss the word corporatism around so freely that it could mean practically anything, but the technical meaning refers to a political system that, like Fascism, has nothing to do with HRC or the DLC.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:25 AM
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31. Thank you.
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:47 AM
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53. yep!
truth finally spoken.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:08 AM
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Hillary is no more a progressive than Bush is compassionate
While those of you aboard Hillary's Investor Class Express profited in the 1990s, you did so on the backs of working men and women that saw their factories close and their jobs shipped overseas.

Thanks a lot!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:48 PM
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105. The difference is only in degree and obviousness
When a handful of large corporations are given unfettered access to the public means of expression (media consolidation) that is corporatism. When that media gets into bed with the ruling elite to stifle dissent, that is fascism (Post 9-11 frenzy, Iraq War).

When out trade policies are drawn up to the sole benefit of the Corporate Elite, and when they are drawn up to undermine political sovergnty (see "free trade" policies against domestic laws) that is corporate fascism.

Hillary and Bill Clinton represent the interests that advance both those concepts.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:14 AM
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20. Tossing out accusations
then relying on people to be lazy and take them for their word works for the media, perhaps, but not on thinking people.

Thats how the media smeared Gore in 2000. The republicans hyper criticized every statement, or vote, he had ever done taking them out of context, then the media, too lazy to actually do their job, repeated them ad nauseum. Same thing is happening to the Clintons now, but this time it is coming from republicans and Obama Democrats.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:15 AM
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22. Fascism (not Facism) is the meshing of government and commercial interests.
Tell me that The Neo-liberals within The Clintonian DLC don't favor "Corporations" over "The Individual" FIRST AND ALWAYS?

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1128-24.htm

Neo-liberalism is fertile soil for fascism to grow again into an outright threat to our democracy.

Our collective forgetfulness about the economic nature of fascism is also dangerous at a philosophical level. As contradictory as it may seem, fascist dictatorship was made possible because of the flawed notion of freedom that held sway during the era of laissez-faire capitalism in the early 20th century.

It was the liberals of that era who clamoured for unfettered personal and economic freedom, no matter what the cost to society. Such untrammelled freedom is not suitable to civilized humans. It is the freedom of the jungle. In other words, the strong have more of it than the weak. It is a notion of freedom that is inherently violent, because it is enjoyed at the expense of others. Such a notion of freedom legitimizes each and every increase in the wealth and power of those who are already powerful, regardless of the misery that will be suffered by others as a result. The use of the state to limit such "freedom" was denounced by the laissez-faire liberals of the early 20th century. The use of the state to protect such "freedom" was fascism. Just as monopoly is the ruin of the free market, fascism is the ultimate degradation of liberal capitalism.


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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:26 AM
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34. That's not what Fascism is. Anyone who claims HRC is a fascist
is stretching the definition to the point of absurdity.

Here is the doctrine of Fascism, as defined by Mussolini.

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:26 AM
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35. The problem is systemic and all the candidates take money from corporations
The problems lie in our campaign finance system. Until we have public financing of elections, we are stuck with corporations funding them. The situation is such that not taking corporate money makes a candidate non-viable due to lack of funds. If we had public financing of elections, Kucinich would be the front runner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_v._Valeo">Until this law is repealed, corporations will run our government.

You can blame and point fingers and call names and it is all just hot air and it means nothing until Buckley v. Valeo is repealed.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:27 AM
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36. I agree that public financing is the solution. n/t
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:08 AM
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14. Neo-liberalism is a form of imperialist global capitalism
common in Latin America in the 80s and 90s. It has no meaning in the dance of American politics.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:19 AM
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27. I respectfully disagree. Neo-liberalism provides "fertile ground" for Fascism to get a toe-hold
and flourish.

Fascism Then. Fascism Now?

When people think of fascism, they imagine Rows of goose-stepping storm troopers and puffy-chested dictators. What they don't see is the economic and political process that leads to the nightmare.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1128-24.htm
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:32 AM
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40. At the most, your writer is arguing that "neo-liberals" are unaware of
our vulnerability to Fascism, NOT that the neo-liberals are themselves Fascists.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:35 AM
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45. Neoliberalism is an economic system
not a group of people
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:41 AM
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48. Yeah, people tend to use terms awfully loosely (and conveniently)
around here.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 02:05 AM
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60. There's nothing "progressive" about being on The Board of Directors of WalMart nor
Pro-Corporations always and one of the anointed LEADERS within Bill Clinton's DLC.

Yes, our "economic system" that is lauded by the Pro-Corporate DLC will allow Fascism to flourish. :thumbsdown:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 02:09 AM
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62. I didn't say she was 99.99% pure.
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 02:14 AM by pnwmom
But her overall record is very progressive.

www.progressivepunch.com

And now that I'm thinking about it, for a liberal Democrat to have an opportunity, from the inside out, to see how a giant corporation functions, could be a great learning experience. She can't claim an MBA, but now she knows how a company like Wal-Mart thinks.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 02:22 AM
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64. "Progressive" to The Clintonian DLC is synonymous to Free Market Capitalism.
UNREGULATED Capitalism will usher in the "fertile ground" that, when the RNC takes over, fascism will thrive.

May the American People "wake-up" before we go too far?

We need REGULATED Capitalism, not bat-shit crazy FREE MARKET Capitalism.

I rest my case. :nuke:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 02:28 AM
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67. HRC has never believed in unregulated free market capitalism. n/t
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 02:09 AM
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61. Just like Goldwater's Conservative movement bred the spreading of racism,...
neo-liberalism will "provide the fertile ground" for fascism to grow and flourish.

Don't distract the argument through semantics - the DLC's platform is TOXIC to all but "the investor class" of Americans.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:53 AM
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70. You're the one who's playing with semantics.
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 04:54 AM by pnwmom
You take a word like "Fascism" and stretch and distort its meaning until it covers anybody that you dislike.

Using loaded language in that way is one of the tactics of demagogues.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:35 AM
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44. Your giving a "the sky is falling" arguement
Liberalism in American politics has nothing to do with "Neoliberalism"
Nor does liberalism in the US have anything to do with fascism:
All fascist governments in Europe in the 20s and 30s and in Latin America in the 50s - 90s have these characteristics in common

14 POINTS OF FASCISM

Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism

Disdain for the importance of human rights

Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause

The supremacy of the military/avid militarism

Rampant sexism

A controlled mass media

Obsession with national security

Religion and ruling elite tied together

Power of corporations protected

Power of labor suppressed or eliminated

Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts

Obsession with crime and punishment

Rampant cronyism and corruption

Fraudulent elections

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:45 AM
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50. Thanks for the reminder, niceypoo.
Any of us can see quite a few points that accord with the Bush administration's goals or practices -- and that's why we fight him.

But HRC is nothing like Bush.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 02:13 AM
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63. Check out the campaigning tactics of Atwater-lite employed by Mark Penn, and you'll see parallels?
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 02:16 AM by ShortnFiery
Far too many impending "red flags" ---> "seeds of Fascism" are popping up all over their scorched earth footprint. :nuke:

But you are so BLINDED by their "cult of personality" and the fact that those mean ole Republicans are *always wrong,* that you will not allow yourself to wake the fuck up and smell the crony capitalism. :(
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:34 AM
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43. If you think Hillary is a fascist
you really have no idea what fascism is.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 02:26 AM
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65. At least I can give you points for spelling fascism correct. ;)
Neo-liberal policies like HRC's Clintonian DLC's ... whose staff will FILL her Executive Branch will "progressively" allow corporations to run wild. Fertile ground for fascism to but and thrive.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:03 AM
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73. But you can't give yourself points for knowing that the verb "spelling"
required the adverb "correctly."

Or maybe that was just a spelling mistake?

And what exactly does "to but and thrive" mean?

P.S. I very rarely point out other people's spelling, grammar, or diction mistakes because I know I make my own. But in this case, since I was the one in this thread who misspelled "Fascist," I'm making an exception.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:12 AM
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90. I have never heard the term "neo-liberal"? /nt
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:01 AM
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6. This was the kind of post we used to see back in the day around here.
The good old day. What happened?
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:05 AM
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8. Some weak minded people started following the MSM like sheep
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:08 AM
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13. Like Murdoch backing Hillary?
Some of us choose to chart a new path to the future.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:09 AM
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17. Everyone has seen the economy turn to shit under RePUKE leadership.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:10 AM
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18. Has he endorsed her for President? I missed that. n/t
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:22 AM
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30. I know he's supporting her candidacy with a lot of money
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:06 AM
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10. Proud2BAmurkin....
We may disagree on many things, P2BA, but I think we can both agree that the Repugs are Democrat-impeaching election-stealing motherfuckers.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:08 AM
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15. .
:toast:
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:06 AM
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11. Two families in power for over 24 years: Best sign of a moribund democracy?
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 01:06 AM by AP
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:16 AM
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23. Not at all.
Two families in power for over 24 years: Best sign of a healthy Aristocracy.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:17 AM
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24. Bingo!
That's why we need to break this cycle.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:20 AM
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29. it takes a moribund democracy to make a healthy aristocracy.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:29 AM
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39. Of course.
I was just being sarcastic.:)
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:52 AM
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54. I know, I know.
It's hard to capture 'tone' on the internet...I was trying to build on your sarcasm.
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:36 AM
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46. Not if that's what the voters want!
n/t
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 02:00 AM
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57. I'm not saying it isn't democratic. I'm saying it's terminal.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:11 AM
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19. What did Bill do when they stole the election in 2000 or 2004?
Not much--I mean didn't speak out much. In fact after 2004 he wanted Rove to come for a private visit with him so they could talk politics.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:17 AM
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25. Yep too bad WE'D have to put up with them for another 8 years
not to worry she is unelectable in the general election. All those folks you want to make miserable will flock in DROVES to the polls to vote against Hill and Bill....mix in a bit of swiftboating - voter suppression and black box voting and hello President McCain....

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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:25 AM
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33. President McCain....President McCain....
It sounds really weird.But after 7 years of Chimpy and the Beast I suppose that even a sandwich could get the job and nobody would see the difference.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:29 AM
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38. You sound happy about the prospect.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:46 AM
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52. Oh yeah
I'm friggin ecstatic couldn't be happier :sarcasm: Nothing I'd like better than a bat crap crazy OLD Bush hugging President for another 4 years or 8 years or whatever.

However, I am is friggin sick of the Bushes and the Clintons - I want the to go away already - retire - find a nice beach or something - and I think she is unelectable

Why the hell would we want to relive the 1990s - oh goodie maybe the repunks can take back the Congress in 2010 - and maybe their Speaker won't take impeachment off the table - and maybe we can live through a Hillary impeachment - won't that be fun - meanwhile the uber rich will continue to find ways to pit us against each other and while we're doing that they will continue to rob us blind and on and on it goes....

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ArfDogMNO Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:42 AM
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68. etc
"All those folks you want to make miserable will flock in DROVES to the polls to vote against Hill and Bill.."

I think this is true, and it isn't just the extra-terrestrial-like people referred to here (GOP voters) who are concerned about what is effectively an end-run around constitutional term limits for presidents (and co-presidents). I mean, Hillary apparently bumped someone (I cannot remember who) who wanted to run for Moynihan's seat specifically in order to have a base to build from for a future presidential run - this decision was being talked about in late 1999! This level of pre-meditation and ambition should scare any voter, regardless of party.

Seriously, wanting to elect someone to make half the country miserable to some degree or other is a very bad method of choosing leaders (if you call either party's primary system a choice in any serious sense, it's more like a least-common-denominator popularity contest of globalists).
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DiamondJay Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:18 AM
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26. you mean 1993-2001
get the years right, elections are in even years, years served are odd. But yea, you are right about that, especially considering how much Hillary is tantamount to Satan in republicon circles
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pgh_dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:25 AM
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32. Maybe should edit that to just Clinton-impeaching, Clinton-hating mf's
Because neither Pres Clinton nor Sen Clinton lifted a public finger regarding Florida in 2000 or Ohio in 2004, or election theft in general.

Gore/Kerry would be the best payback to the election-stealing motherfuckers.

But no doubt the Clinton-impeaching witch-hunters of the 90s would have a nice 4 to 8 year waking nightmare of the Clintons back in the White House. I'd spring for a morning webcam for Limbaugh.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:28 AM
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37. too bad Clinton didn't fight impeachment
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:34 AM
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42. No, too bad when the irrefutable DNA evidence surfaced, Bill Clinton didn't RESIGN and give Al Gore
the reigns to The Presidency. We could now be saying "President Gore" ... we could have avoid a war of aggression and occupation, for sure ... and just perhaps we could have short-circuited 9/11.

But NO! Bill Clinton's ambitions always trump any real or potential harm to BOTH our party and nation.

He needs to leave the National Stage - I'm sick of "Slick Willie." :thumbsdown:
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PervezClinton Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:46 AM
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51. I thought I heard a can of whoop ass open.
Felt it, too.

Now I know where it came from.

:thumbsup:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:57 AM
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56. I don't think you have any idea the DIVIDE that is forming between the neo-liberals of
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 01:58 AM by ShortnFiery
the DLC and "the rest" of the Democratic Party faithful.

Sure some party loyalists will hold their nose and vote for HRC if she should cheat and steal her way to the nomination, but MANY MORE of us will write-in Kucinich or just stay home with George Carlin.

Neo-liberal DLC or ultra-conservative RNC? They both reek of budding FASCISM. :thumbsdown:


Be careful of what you wish for. :evilgrin:

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:15 AM
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78. The people who will refuse to vote for the party's nominee are NOT
the party faithful, by definition.

They're just the latest incarnation of the Nader/Green party crowd.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:08 AM
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88. No, they are real Democrats, not corporate Democrats.
Like what the Democratic party used to be, the party of FDR and helping the working man.

Read your history.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:41 AM
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95. The Democratic party has always been a big tent.
FDR was a great President. But he wasn't the only Democratic president.

And the people who threaten to buck the party whenever their chosen one isn't the winner can't claim the mantle of being the "party faithful."
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:33 AM
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41. Working for Hillary's presidential campaign vs. the Rethugs will be equally rewarding.(eom)
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 01:34 AM by oasis
:bounce:
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:38 AM
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47. YES!!! K&R!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:42 AM
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49. I was thinkin much along those lines. Not only would I get to vote for a woman, but one that would
piss off the RW like there is no tomorrow. :evilgrin:
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:54 AM
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55. I have my doubts
That any republican will defeat any democrat in the general election after the 8 years of dictatorship we have had in the White House. Even the republicans are turned off by the economy and the occupation in the middleeast.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 02:01 AM
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58. But they sure as shit will go vote AGAINST anyone who has the last name of "Clinton"
Of that I have NO doubt. :thumbsdown:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:07 AM
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75. And you think any of those Rethugs would have voted for Kucinich?
Dream on!
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ArfDogMNO Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:49 AM
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69. I think that
Republicans are more annoyed with their own party on the immigration issue, and better informed ones are also unhappy with the GOP demonstrating that they can outspend anyone, based on the 2002-2006 budgets. I am fairly certain the immigration issue alone cost the GOP badly in 2006. How hard is it to just build a fence? Apparently impossible, as the funded one has not been built, and the GOP president opposes it.

Views on the invasion and occupation of Iraq are mixed, but a lot of people are unhappy with major errors made in the early occupation who otherwise support the invasion.

The economy is a wild-card, the subprime/CDO/other level 3 asset debt issue is going to play a huge role this year.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:06 AM
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74. Welcome to DU, UALRBSofL!
And I certainly hope you're right.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:42 PM
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102. The problem we're having is that Democrats are tying the failures to Bush vs.
Republican policy. We HAVE to address the real monster if we are to defeat it.

:hi: Welcome!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 02:02 AM
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59. The rank-and-file will hate it. The dumbass freepers will hate it
The people running the GOP -- i.e. the ones who actually stole those elections -- will be popping champagne corks. Assuming they allow her to win in the first place, that is.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:11 AM
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76. 75% of the WOMEN in NY state voted for Hillary, including many
Independents and even Republicans in the RED parts of the state. That's why she carried New York with over 60% of the vote.

Independent women in New Hampshire also voted for her.

Did you forget that "rank and file" voters include women?

But not so many of the "dumbass" freepers. I'll acknowledge that they're mostly men.

:shrug:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:36 AM
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101. She carried New York because she was running against a couple of morons
There's a reason Hillary didn't run for Senate from Arkansas or from her home state of Illinois -- there's no way she could win there. She needed to come to one of the bluest states in the country and even then she needed to rely on the GOP to put up complete lightweights against her.

She's not nearly as electable as you make out. She's also perfectly acceptable to the real powers in the GOP.

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:15 PM
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107. If she's the nominee this time, she'll be running against a moron.
What's the difference?

I love it the way so many people try to have it both ways -- she'll never win, because she's so polarizing. Or she'll win because she's "perfectly acceptable to the real powers in the GOP."
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 02:27 AM
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66. "They would have the most miserable 8 years of their lives."
That would be great but not necessarily. Judging by the amount of Clinton bashing here on DU, they still would get no honeymoon or peace that is due.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:13 AM
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77. None of the Democratic Presidential candidates will get any honeymoon,
either from the Rethugs, or from the MSM.


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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:53 AM
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71. As I think she'd be a poor president, mired in
politics and one losing fight after another, the satisfaction I'd feel, is outweighed by the reality that this woman is lacking in leadership skills. There's ample evidence for that in her debacle of the healthcare initiative, travelgate and her years in the Senate. She may piss off the puke talking heads, but that's not enough for me.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:57 AM
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72. it is very ironic
I bet they would prefer to have Kucinich win before HRC. Yet HRC will work well with the GOP. Their hate is blinding.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:18 AM
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79. The Rethug hate is blinding, but not much more so
than the Hillary-hate here on DU.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:22 AM
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80. Perhaps the dislike of Clinton and her dubious tactics should be
a clue. She will have a difficult time, getting the American people behind her. She will have no honeymoon, and it's inevitable that scandal will dog her for her entire presidency if she gets elected.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 06:16 AM
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83. When was the last time a Democratic president had a "honeymoon"?
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 06:18 AM by pnwmom
Bill Clinton didn't have one even for a day. Neither did Jimmy Carter. You really have to go all the way back to JFK to find a Democratic president that actually enjoyed a honeymoon with the press and the Rethugs.

The Rethugs will regard ANY Democrat as a usurper, and will hound that person from the moment of the Inauguration. Whoever is our next Democratic President better not delude him or herself with misty-eyed visions of non-partisanship.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 06:28 AM
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84. It will be a democratic Congress, and she won't even get a honeymoon
from them. Whether you care to admit it or not, she's a polarizing figure. Frankly, if she's up against McCain, she'll have a very difficult time overcoming that.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:35 AM
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94. I admit she's a polarizing figure. Any Democrat worth the name will be
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 07:38 AM by pnwmom
a polarizing figure. JFK was polarizing. FDR was extremely polarizing. If a Democratic president threatens to be effective at moving forward the Democratic agenda, the Rethugs fight tooth and nail, and everyone says that the Dem is being polarizing.

But we don't HAVE to be that naive.

Reagan was a polarizing figure. The Rethugs adored him, but millions of Democrats HATED him. But did you ever hear Republicans complaining about that?
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:40 AM
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81. i must admit, the revenge would be sweet. nt
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:47 AM
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82. John Edwards would be a much worse nightmare for them
He is the man they tried to keep out of the race and did the best they could to pretend that he did not exist. If he wins their head will explode and the nation will change in a way that the DC establishment really really does not want it to.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 06:47 AM
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85. It's awesome! Republicans are ALREADY having heart attacks at the prospect of Hillary's Presidency!
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 06:48 AM by Perry Logan
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:11 AM
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89. And so is the peace movement and progressives worldwide
Four years of Clintonism means four years of us in the barricades opposing her imperialist policies, just as much as we opposed Bush.

There will be no peace with Hillary!
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:13 AM
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91. Don't worry. Hillary gets good ratings from progressive organizations.
The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:45 AM
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96. What has Hillary said about NAFTA or the current situation in Gaza?
She is part of the problem, not the solution.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:55 AM
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98. Get on the web. Huge numbers of knowledgeable, progressive people disagree with you.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 08:10 AM
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99. And they are as wrong as those that thought Iraq had WMD or Iran is a threat
Put the Clintons back in the White House and this is what you will get from Hillary:

She won't close School of the Americas.

She won't restore habeas corpus, close down Guantanamo, and dismantle the police state apparatus that Bush established.

She won't restore the Constitution and the Republic we had before 9-11.

She will bomb Iran if Bush doesn't beat her to the punch.

She will continue the war in Iraq, but spin it as a drawdown of forces.

She will attempt to reestablish American hegemony in Latin America, by force if necessary.

She will continue the failed War on Drugs, Cuban embargo, and the phony Global War on Terror.

She will continue the failed and disastrous American policy of enabling the permanent occupation of Arab lands by Israel, while ignoring the plight of the Palestinian people.

She will use the extraordinary powers that Bush amassed for the Presidency to attack and marginalize those opposed to globalism and imperialism.


What will progressives be doing during Hillary's presidency? Here are some of the highlights:

March 2009 - National antiwar marches on the 6th anniversary of the start of the Iraq War.

October 2009 - National antiwar marches on the 7th anniversary of Iraq War Resolution.

March 2010 - National antiwar marches on the 7th anniversary of the start of the Iraq War.

October 2010 - National antiwar marches on the 8th anniversary of Iraq War Resolution.

March 2011 - National antiwar marches on the 8th anniversary of the start of the Iraq War.

October 2011 - National antiwar marches on the 9th anniversary of Iraq War Resolution.

March 2012 - National antiwar marches on the 9th anniversary of the start of the Iraq War.

October 2012 - National antiwar marches on the 10th anniversary of Iraq War Resolution.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 06:58 AM
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86. This election is about our future, not a Clintonian payback or restoration
A Clinton restoration is as unwelcome as putting the Romanovs back in the Kremlin.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:16 AM
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92. I hate to have to make this election all about pissing off the republicans,
and making corporate America happy. We deserve a government for the people, not for the corporations. Vote John Edwards!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:21 AM
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93. Considering who is in the WH now, it's not a bad way to go either.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:47 AM
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97. Hence the problem, no one could be worse than Bush!
We could put Attila the Hun in the White House and he would be an improvement over Bush.

The old bogeyman won't work!
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:10 AM
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100. why is this poster still posting?
mind-boggling
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