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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:24 PM
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Kucinich Voter here...
Turns out Kucinich is dropping out of the race and I had every intention of voting for him in the Oho Primary. Now, I am officially an undecided voter... which fucking sucks. The reason I reserved my vote for Dennis is purely because he had been right on every issue that I hold important. Now, I am faced with the need to choose another candidate to support and for the life of me, I find none of our current crop even remotely attractive. Yes, I find them all to be fantastic politicians and master debaters but none seem to have any real touch with reality... (and this is coming from someone who supported a guy who felt peaceful staring at a UFO). None of the candidates seem willing to take on what really has to be done... they're all chomping at the bit to step into a quagmire that is too overwhelming for any one person to tackle and not one of them has actually laid it on the line.

My friends, laws were broken... people have died, many thousands of people have died. Money has been stolen... or to be PC purposefully mishandled and a gargantuan debt has been shifted on us without any sort of word being said... Someone has to be held accountable for these things... Are you kidding me? Where are these candidates on the issue of accountability... the candidate that publicly states (or to be fair, has stated in the past) that they support not only the impeachment and incarceration of George Bush and his boss Dick Cheney but they must also include all the neocons who helped engineer this... this... what do you even call this madness? ... When you bring me a candidate who has the integrity to stand up for accountability... then I will vote for them with glee. Otherwise, I'm just putting in one more chicken hearted turd who just wants to be called President but is too afraid of standing up for what is right... we've had that the last 7 years and now we have the same in our disappointing Congress (I never thought I'd rue a day... our pathetic congress... my God, it is so shameful)... I can't take this shit any longer.

I never believed for a second Dennis had a shot of winning... but I wanted to live a country in which he did. I know that's a ridiculous dream and I am more convinced America will never have the heart nor the wisdom to recognize honor and truth over charisma and comeliness yet... who do I choose now... all I have left are those who are willing to sell out the truth in the interest of personal gain...? Obama said it himself... None of them are clean. Kucinich was and that made him an easy pick... not popular but easy. Oh well... hold my nose and choose once again...
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:26 PM
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1. Edwards is probably the closest to Dennis
you're going to get now.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:41 PM
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7. Correct, of the 3 front runners, Edwards is the closest to Dennis
In fact most of my friends, politically, are either Edwards or Kucinich supporters. Thom HArtman is of a similar ilk.


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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:27 PM
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2. I am in exactly the same position
Frankly, I seen no need right now to go through the hugely drawn out and incredibly boring process that is a Democratic caucus: the one and only candidate I felt was a good choice has dropped out. My one and only option is to vote for (damned if I will actually support) whichever bad choice the caucus-goers pick.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:31 PM
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3. I hear ya, friend. Believe me, I hear ya.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:34 PM
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4. Thank you Dennis. You said what needed to be said. This country isn't ready
to fight for freedom and democracy. Maybe when things get bad enough, and I think they will, maybe people will decide to fight. I don't think so. The country had a great run. Thank you Tom Jefferson. Sorry but big money won out again. If there is enough left worth fighting for when the pillagers get done we may fight again. you see capitalism, if let to proceed w/o regulation will kill itself. After they steal all our money then what's left but to steal from each other. But they need slave labor and eventually the slave will revolt. But not now. Now the public don't want to be distracted from their tv. Bravo Dennis, you are a hero and true patriot.
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:34 PM
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5. Could have typed the exact words myself n/t
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:39 PM
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6. I hear you.
I'll vote for Edwards in the primary; a protest vote against both HRC and Obama, and a vote of support for some of his better stances.

In the GE, if it's not Edwards, I'll be writing in a vote, or voting 3rd party.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:42 PM
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8. Unfortunately Most People Who SHOULD HOLD OFFICE Never Run For Office...
.... and the slate of candidates we are left to choose among are often several cuts below the 'ideal person' who should be running.

But democracies do provide us with a list of choices to vote for which citizens in other countries never experience.

Just remember, there is nothing wrong with voting for the least objectionable candidate in an election. Refusing to use your intellect to identify and choose that next least objectionable candidate deprives our democracy of your knowledge and imput, and a democracy cannot function without voter participation.

Kucinich drove this Democratic Party to examine issues of importance. Now it is up to you to continue to drive this Party closer to the goal that Kucinich was aiming for by supporting the next best candidate to be our Nominee.

Take heart -- you are not alone in this endeavor.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:42 PM
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9. Leaning towards Gravel
but undecided myself
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:52 PM
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10. I understand.. but if you fight the whole system without doing so carefully,
you become virtually silenced... He is a major threat.. Edwards is too.. but he's not as easy to silence since he was a VP contender in 04 and he does have presence... I decided on Edwards because he does have viability and has some really in-depth thought out policy that, I believe, will move this country in the right direction... and really you can't grow up in a mill town in SC and not understand where a lot of us are right now.... I think he does have passion and does have heart and does want a fair and balanced system... And he says over and over again.. this is not about me, this is about the issues and the direction this country wants to take. He's stayed above the fray. He's got a wonderful wife, and an inspiration in her own right... Hell, he even knows what it feel like to have lost a child way too soon... (I'm sure the Edwards were sleeping in diff. bedrooms back in the days of the Iraq war resolution).. AND the more I see and the more I work for Edwards, the more I feel like this is a movement.. I feel like this is something I can rise to the occassion for and for my family and for my family's future. I am inspired in the first time in a really long time... I want to do better. I want to fight again. I love Kucinich for his ideals and his voice and his compassion... But Edwards wills me to fight with him and not feel like some messiah is going to save me. America is us the people and we have been asking for in.. and John asks us to come with him and do with him.. Its an amazing feeling.. Its like his latest calling for telecom bill.. his bloggers have been asking him to take a stand.. AND he listened and sent the e-mail calling on us to call Washington and let our Senators know NO IMMUNITY for the telecom giants. I want a President like that. I want to work with a President like that... I want a country like that.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:00 PM
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11. Once I realized there was no Gore
I settled on Edwards

I loved Kucinich policy positions but he his gaffs made him an untenable candidate for me
I found both Clinton and Obama to be consummate policians which in my case is not a compliment

Edwards is a politician but he hasn't been a career politician
He is the closest of the three main candidates to being a self-made man
That means something to me
He knows personally the struggle of people who have to do without
And while he's been imperfect in his war vote, he has been absolutely unwavering in his fight for the poor
His votes on trade are very liberal (as in protective not neo-liberal)
because he worries about jobs more than our corporate front runners do
I realize that to many, the war vote is a dealbuster
I will tell you in my own personal experience, I am much more defensive when I think I'm responsible for looking out for others wellbeing than when I am looking for only my own
So I can understand a vote to protect/defend our country
My FIL, a liberal/artist, was so off-balance after 9/11 that he was ready to take on all comers
I on the other hand was arguing against war against Afghanistan since I knew that the majority of the casualties would be women, children, and the elderly. It wasn't that I wanted to ignore the threat, I talked that good old surgical strike or black ops would be more effective and less harmful

I'm very progressive (even though I'm an unaffiliated voter)
By all the 'find your perfect' candidate tools out there, I am more naturally progressive than any even Kucinich

I cannot see myself voting for anyone else but Edwards in the primary


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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:19 PM
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12. I'm a Kucinch supporter....have to go with Edwards. I hope he is what he says he is
because I don't have any candidates left. I feel your pain...... (sorry to quote Clinton) but I do...

I gave Edwards some money in the big DU Drive last Friday because I wanted him to stay in along with Kucinich...because I was worried this might happen. I hope Edwards stays in because a battle between Clinton and Obama is a turnoff...not accomplishing anything but TEE VEE ratings.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:27 PM
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13. A few days ago I was wondering what has happened to people
here in the US and in our own party. How can we sit by and watch when millions of people have had their lives destroyed by our hands and not call for anyone to be held accountable.

It made my decision about what to do in February easier, my protest vote goes to Dennis for his courage.

:hi:
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