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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:35 PM Original message |
The race topic being in the headlines benefits only one Dem candidate - period. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. Wrong |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Blacks were not all that crazy about Obama - in SC either - until they felt |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Well said, Inuca! |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Since Obama lost New Hampshire, race is helping Obama |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Tom is right. This is why Michelle Obama introduced race into this first |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Thank you. That was my feeling too. SC is critical - all stops are pulled out |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Obama's victory in South Carolina was a done deal after Iowa. He leapt ahead by 20 points. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. That is not how I remember it. You are overemphazing the immediate Iowa bounce |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. And you're ignoring the demographics behind the bounce. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
34. What happened THEN is not relevant today. Nationals are snapshots for the day |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Again, hand-waving is not analysis. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. Clinton. Obama stands to be marginalized if he becomes "the black candidate," |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Hillary was leading with all segments of the population, of every color before this |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. So wait, wait, wait. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. First of all, SC is not a sure thing for anyone. It's survival for Obama. See #12 |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. SC is indeed a sure thing for Obama, and was as soon as he won IA. #12 ignores that. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. I beg to differ. Polls are not to be trusted - too many variables - here's my analysis: |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Hand-waving is not analysis. Polls are generally extremely accurate, with variations only |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. And you discount rapid shifts in SC? How about slow shifts like women turnout? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. And yet polling is not showing any rapid shifts. Polling also generally accounts |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. Untill after the SC debate |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Again, you're ignoring that Obama's SC gains were on stronger territory than the NH bounce. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. We honestly don't see this quite the same |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Clinton saying it aside--I do think there is some truth in that statements. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. And so the question is: |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Obama is fighting for survival in SC, long term be damned. See #12 |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Only there is not nor was there ever a question of his victory in SC. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. Would the fight be that ferocious if that were the case? The other candidates |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Hillary outright left SC; the fight in SC is no longer for SC itself. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. And the fight is not confined to matters with a racial over tone from either side either n/t |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. The only racial statement the Obama campaign itself has made |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. You need look no further than his wife to refute this comment n/t |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Michelle accused Clinton of being a racist? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. You are moving the bar on me |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Well, this entire conversation is about racial politics vis-a-vis Clinton and Obama. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. maybe a little of both. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. It benefits Clinton. nt. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Thank you n/t |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Not in this race. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. She had lost SC the minute Obama won Iowa. She's looking beyond SC. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. I don't think any of them lost SC yet. But the emphasis on race - not helping Hillary |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. The polling shows a decisive Obama victory, and has stably done so since Iowa. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Polling In Iowa and NH was discredited. I predict this one may very well be as well |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Caucus polling is different than primary polling, due to the 15-percent rule. The |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
9. I don't think it benefits any Dem candidate. I think it benefits the GOP. |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
51. And the corporate media |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
15. But the candidates don't need to mention race, |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. True, but surrogates sure did - started with the ridiculous memo and other |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. The memo was merely a collection of MSM responses to controversial comments, and was |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
27. Only one Dem candidate would have a speaker talk about "racial pride" at a rally |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. Oh, God... |
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Pathwalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
30. "Some people question whether or not you're black enough" |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
32. Obama wants to Swiftboat Clinton on Race , and is succeeding ala Rove v Kerry. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. It is clearly in Obama's interest to destroy his message of unity and hope, right? |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Nobody every really thought that high school cheer was a "message", did they? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Well, since you've said that's all he had, and that's all that drew people to him, |
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