Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Another Clinton lie that made this woman change who shes supporting

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:03 PM
Original message
Another Clinton lie that made this woman change who shes supporting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVuMYKs8iJs&eurl=http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hqblog
YouTube - Why Lorna Brett Howard Switched from Clinton to Obama
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:11 PM
Response to Original message
1. Why Do People Vote For Liars? It's Just Sad.
It's clear that the Clinton's lie as easily as they breathe. Why on earth does anybody expect to have a good outcome when dealing with liars?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #1
23. HC didn't lie. His record may be 100% but he voted "present"
instead of taking a stand. Now I wonder if his "present" votes weren't pandering to the Christian right in preparation for this candidacy? Just say'in.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. So you don't understand how the "present" vote works in the Illinois legislature either?
Reading problems? Just can't take a concept from Civics 101?

:boring:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:11 PM
Response to Original message
2. Powerful.
At least to me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #2
16. Actually boring and rehearsed. Let me make a video of myself and be on you tube.
boring
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. well you are predicatable even if you actually don't add anything to
the discussions
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Just sayin, looks like a vanity you tube thing more than a reason to switch votes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. every comment you make is in total reflexive support for the
Clintons regardless of how clearly they are wrong.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #16
31. I wish Billary voted "present" on the Iraq war
it would have been a million times better than how she actually voted.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:51 AM
Response to Reply #31
39. Now *that* would have been a nice response in the SC debate, eh?
Good one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #16
35. No thank you. I'd rather not see another video posted by you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #2
33. I heard similar about how good he is on women's issues on nova m too from a caller.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:16 PM
Response to Original message
3. Sending it to every Hillary supporter I know. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:29 PM
Response to Original message
4. Oohh Is that the woman from Iowa with the lawn signs?
She tossed Hills away and put up Obama and then tossed Obamas away and put up Edwards..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #4
12. No. It's the president of Chicago NOW during the 90's.
She changed sides over hillary's attack on the present votes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #4
15. you didnt look at the video did you?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #15
30. Hillary supporters...
...don't need to watch videos or to read in order to know that their candidate is right about everything and everybody else is WRONG!

It's seriously a PITA. They'll start fights with you and you'll go through all of this work to get links and quotes to prove your point, only to have them not read them at all. I'm done trying to reason with them. I find them simply unreasonable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:53 AM
Response to Reply #30
41. Sounds like a new batch of 25%ers, but Dem-flavored this time. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:52 AM
Response to Reply #4
40. Couldn't bother to actually watch it? Or failed to listen to her say ...
... that she lives in Chicago and New York. (Or maybe it's my mistake, and she lives in Chicago, IA; and New York, IA.)

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Konza Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:44 PM
Response to Original message
5. Um, just to keep the record straight: The man was disbarred for lying under oath.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 06:45 PM by Konza
So in all honestly I simply have to ask: why does anyone, anywhere at anytime give Bill Clinton an once of credibility on anything?
The Clinton's have been a fraud since the late 1970s. And yes, I readily admit that voted for them, knowing full well that they were scum.
But they were better than the other scumbags on offer, so I held my nose and voted.
Not a ringing endorsement, but there it is.

Over the years we all knew, or quickly learned, that these two have been willing to screw us over if it will help them out personally. This is not a shocking new bit of info. These are not new revelations coming down from the mount folks, it's freakin well-documented history. Ask anyone associated with the Clinton Administration- Donna Shalala, Robert Reich, Georgie Steppy, Dee Dee Myer, Vernon Jordan, Betty Currie, Al Gore, ...hell ask Monica.

Sometimes it's like I'm living in the twilight zone here, people in the year of our Lord 2008 are just now coming to the faint realization that Bill and Hillary Clinton might.... just might......be full of shit.
Can it really be that people are just now looking into their tv's and ONLY NOW discovering that these two narcissistic, pathological liars are self-serving creeps? What next? Will the nation suddenly realize that the undercoating on a new car is a scam? That credit card companies are screwing you over? Jesus, where does it all end?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. About a blowjob...
...in an investigation into a 20 year old land deal...

Another Obamite jumps onto the rightwing bandwagon to attack, attack, attack

When will Obamas supporters tout him on issues, instead of endless attacks upon others>? Ever?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. They have no issues..hanging hope on a blow job
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. yup all of that stuff will never be brought up by the Republicans
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Konza Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #7
25. I'm just suggesting he is admittedly
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 07:37 PM by Konza
full of shit. This is not conjecture, and it's not just me saying it. Bill Clinton said it.
And people will remember all the good times from the "good old days".

Granted, we will all still end up voting for them in November. They will savage Edwards and Obama before it is over and somehow wrap up enough delegates to win the Democratic nomination.
I'm not sure what it'll be worth by then, but they will have "won" it.

And in November the vast majority of us, me included, will hold our noses, get really drunk and somehow find it in our hearts to vote for them. We know they are scumbags, but they are OUR scumbags. And We know Hillary Clinton is a pathetic fraud who won't accomplish shit in the White House.
But we also know what those crazy bastards on the right might accomplish if they win. So in the end we will hold our noses and vote for people we know are completely full of shit in order to save us from the truly vile shit we could be getting if the other guys win.

Edwards and Obama make people want to vote for them. Team Clinton operates on a different set motives, that's all I'm saying.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:56 AM
Response to Reply #25
42. He didn't just lie under oath.
If I recall correctly, he lied to about every damn person he knew, drawing them all down into his lurid affair and dirtying their reputations along with his.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #5
37. He also was misleading on 60 Minutes befoere the 1992 election. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:47 PM
Response to Original message
6. I must say that I am shocked
at how much the Clintons have been lying.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:52 PM
Response to Original message
9. If they are blatantly lying about this then how much of the other stuff is
also a pure lie?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:08 PM
Response to Original message
11. "Barack isn't only 100% pro-choice, he's 100% honest."
Yep.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. Nobody is 100% honest.
ESPECIALLY not politicians.

I would say that I think some people are in for some rude awakenings... but I suspect anything counter to that "100% honest" meme will be brushed aside or explained away.

*sigh*
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. did you look at the video?


its not a question of being 100% honest but being 100% deceptive it is very chilling
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. Yes, and she said it... "He's 100% honest". (nt)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. and she said that she worked with him on a wide range of
issues over a long period of time.

The point I think is that in comparison with the outright Clinton lies in Iowa and NH about Obama's support of choice she wanted to make clear who was telling the truth and who was not.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:05 AM
Response to Reply #11
45. 100% myth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:24 PM
Response to Original message
17. Perhaps DUers will want to read this and compare to the HC charges.
Exchanges over abortion enter third day
Font size:
Print article
E-mail this to a friend
Letter to editor



By KATE DAVIDSON
Monitor staff


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

January 08. 2008 1:36AM



The back-and-forth over Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama's support for abortion rights dragged on for a third day, with the Clinton camp mailing a letter to voters yesterday from two dozen pro-choice activists touting Clinton's record.

It was the second Clinton mailer in three days scrutinizing Obama's record on pro-choice legislation. A glossy flier sent out over the weekend said Obama voted "present" instead of "yes" or "no" on anti-abortion legislation in the Illinois state Senate. Yesterday's letter - signed by leaders from state affiliates of Planned Parenthood,, NARAL Pro-Choice, the National Organization of Women and the YWCA - reiterated the criticism.

"The difference between Hillary's repeatedly standing up strong on choice and Obama's unwillingness to vote 'yes' or 'no' is a clear contrast, and we believe the voters in New Hampshire deserve to know the difference," the letter said. "We support Hillary Clinton because she never ducked when choice was at stake."

(to me, voting "present" is a sign of "weakness."



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:24 PM
Response to Original message
18. I am not old enough to watch youtube. What are the lies by Clinton about?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:32 PM
Response to Original message
21. Easy for this lady since she is located in chicago to find some
thing about hrc that she perceives to be wrong or as she says a lie.....I personally think this lady is lying for the reasons she left HRC to join obama and her is what she said back in December, "In this case, I think both candidates are committed to choice and I hate to see the pro-choice community cannibalize itself on this issue,'' said Brett. "If either candidate wins, the pro-choice community is in good hands."

Today,(December 4th) Illinois NOW endorsed Sen. Hillary Clinton for president.

"She is, after all, our native sister," said Bonnie Grabenhofer, president of
Illinois NOW in a statement on the group's website. "We know from her record and in her heart she will be there for us."

But Illinois NOW was not content to leave it at that. Grabenhofer also took a serious swipe at Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), denigrating his record on women's rights in the state Senate.

"When we needed someone to take a stand, Senator Obama took a pass," said Grabenhofer, criticizing him for voting 'present' on many key votes. "He wasn't there for us then and we don't expect him to be now."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. Despicable as usual
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 07:49 PM by zulchzulu
So you think this woman is lying?

As for Grabenhofer's half-witted lie-dripping statement about Obama's "present" vote on the abortion issue, what do you say about this:

When Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., voted "present," rather than "yes" or "no" on a handful of controversial abortion votes in the Illinois state senate, he did so with the explicit support of the president and CEO of Illinois Planned Parenthood Council.

"We at Planned Parenthood view those as leadership votes," Pam Sutherland, the president and CEO of the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council, told ABC News. "We worked with him specifically on his strategy. The Republicans were in control of the Illinois Senate at the time. They loved to hold votes on 'partial birth' and 'born alive'. They put these bills out all the time ... because they wanted to pigeonhole Democrats."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200712140004


I fully want to see your hare-brained response to this statement from Pam Sutherland. I guess she was lying too...

:puke:


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:41 PM
Response to Original message
28. I DARE any Hillaryworld supporter to watch that video
It's sad that someone was so fooled by the Clintons. This is just another example.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:50 PM
Response to Original message
32. This is my point too much distortion from the Hillary camp After 7 years of les no more, all I ask.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:55 PM
Response to Original message
34. If Senator Clinton is willing to lie now to get elected, will she tell
us the truth later on?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:00 AM
Response to Reply #34
43. In case no one else responds...

no.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:57 PM
Response to Original message
36. Yawn!
:boring:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:49 AM
Response to Original message
38. Wow. That's a powerful video. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:04 AM
Response to Original message
44. The Obama Chicago machine must have threatened her
It is tough to defy Obama in Chicago.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:23 AM
Response to Original message
46. BD-SM srtikes again
Yes, you flagellate yourself, but I'd like to see you in handcuffs. Permanently. The smell of granite in the morning ... Ahhh.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:04 AM
Response to Original message
47. Logan's Law: The people who call the Clintons liars are all liars. Best debunk so far: #17.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 07:05 AM by Perry Logan
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:31 AM
Response to Original message
48. Here's more on Lorna Brett Howard
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:39 AM
Response to Original message
49. This woman won't make decisions on choice "prayerfully" no matter what some socialite
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 07:39 AM by robbedvoter
from Chicago thinks. For me it was the smarminess of the attitude on the issue that matters - the details of the voting record - never knew them, never a factor.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Oct 31st 2024, 06:33 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC