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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:38 AM
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Poll question: Have You Lost Respect For Bill Clinton?
Since he's started campaigning for his wife in the way that he has, have you lost respect for him?
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:40 AM
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1. yes, he's shown he's not above slinging mud and dirty politics
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:41 AM
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2. As an ex-president, he should comport himself much better than he has
I don't care if he's campaigning for his wife. There's a classier way to do it without smears.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:42 AM
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3. Totally n/t
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:43 AM
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4. Yes but...
I did that already a long time ago.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:43 AM
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5. He is acting like a complete asshole and NOT like an elder statesman.
I wish to hell he would STFU. I used to just love the "Big Dawg," but right now I am totally embarrassed for him.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:47 AM
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21. Same here! ABC
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:44 AM
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6. Couldn't have lost respect for him
with his recent antics - he had no respect to lose from me because I lost ALL respect for him when he was sucking up to Poppy Bush...
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:49 AM
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10. Sucking up? He was raising money for tsunami relief....? Maybe you forgot?
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:43 AM
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20. Hmmm how much money do you think they raised here
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:45 AM
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7. “I kind of like seeing Barack and Hillary fighting.”
Direct quote from Bill Clinton. How can you respect that?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/opinion/23dowd.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:46 AM
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8. He's getting annoying, but he's fighting for his woman. That's admirable. nt
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:54 AM
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16. "his woman"...which one? n/t
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:28 PM
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22. ouch
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:47 AM
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9. I got sick of the man during the NAFTA/CAFTA thingy. He never
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 09:47 AM by acmavm
did give a shit about the American people. And when he pardoned Marc Rich, well that was just icing on the cake.

Plus his lack of respect AND consideration for his wife and daughter was stomach turning.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:50 AM
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11. I like him much more now. I had lost some respect during the Poppy tours/war comments
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 09:55 AM by robbedvoter
but now, I am starting to love him again - like the good ol' times!
I happen to have this good partnership of 2 strong people who support each other. it makes me happy - and whenever I see it elsewhere - it adds happiness (on DU - my favorite such couple is Sparkly & HusbandtoSparkly :loveya: .
The typical campaign spouse is a smiling puppet. Elisabeth Edwards is another exception to that. I liked her contributions too.
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:30 AM
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19. I agree completely. I like what he is doing. I also like what
Elizabeth and Michelle are doing.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:51 AM
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12. I lost respect long ago..
Over what the meaning of "IS" ..is.

Fuck him.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:51 AM
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13. the last straw was Rwanda
i`ve lost respect for bill and hillary because of what they did, did not do,and why regarding rwanada
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:52 AM
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14. My respect for him was mostly based on his speaking skills.
His pro-corporate policies (NAFTA, Welfare Reform, Supporting Media Consolidation) and his bigoted anti-gay discrimination (DOMA, Don't Ask Don't Tell) pretty much turned me off to him. I voted for him in 1996 because the choice between him and Dole was obvious, but I was not happy about it.

Rp
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:53 AM
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15. PUSH POLL alert.
No choice for something like: I am proud of Bill Clinton, his campaigning and his legacy.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:43 PM
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You can choose not to answer. And just look at the numbers who have responded in the affirmative.
Maybe you clinton supporters should direct this poll to the campaign. Pretty telling when hard core dems are disgusted by a former democratic president's actions during a campaign.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:56 AM
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17. Bill Clinton is the first...
former president whose wife is running for president. This is a totally new situation and new role for a former president. You can't hold him to the same standards of past presidents.

If you are for the candidate who claims to be for change...then you can start by changing your view of how a former president is suppose to behave. Change requires moving forward into the future...not being stuck in the past.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:59 AM
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18. Which is why I don't want, "Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton" in my encyclopedia
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:32 PM
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23. I never was a big Bill Clinton supporter
I defended him on the Monica Lewinski affair because I think frankly that his sex life is his own business. But I heard Bill Clinton's interview by Amy Goodman on Democracy Now at about the end of his Presidency. Clinton came off as a complete oaf and an arrogant SOB to Goodman. His temperament can be very ugly. I thought his policies were centrist and maybe even to the right of center on a number of issues. But overall I see Clinton as a much better President than any other Republican in my lifetime except maybe for Eisenhower.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:35 PM
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24. Never had a whole lot
Great President, brilliant politician... not always a great man.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:38 PM
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25. This isn't about him. Maybe he should realize that?
:shrug:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:44 PM
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26. I voted earlier but I'll post now.
I'm not one of the flowering over Big Dog people, but by the end of his 2nd term I had come to respect him and appreciate him. That being said, my opinion of him dropped here and there based on certain things, most importantly, his book, which I thought was crap, and brought him down in my eyes. However, I still held him in good regard.

Now, that he's playing the attack dog, and using his position to add more weight to the stuff that spews from his mouth, I don't think I can ever hold him in high regard again. It was bad enough that I could sorta forgive him for Rwanda, and bombing the shit out of the Balkans.

Oh, and thanks to him for sticking up for the Dem party, and fighting for John Kerry, and attacking the Repubs with the same vigor he has recently for his wife, whom he would be backing if she weren't his wife.

And yes, he's directly responsible for the 2000 election. Yes, Gore ran away from him, but Bush ran on Clinton's blowjob, and that's where we're at now.

I can't wait to see another thread about how great, and genius that is the Big Dog from some of the more laughable DUers.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:28 PM
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42. Nicely done, Sniffa
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:47 PM
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51. I still wish we could recommend individual posts
This pretty much says it all. I was never a Clinton fan, but I did respect him and support him, regardless. However, he's not behaving like an elder statesman this year.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:45 PM
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27. Hell yes
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:46 PM
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28. No
but I have lost respect for those who bash him here.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:46 PM
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29. Wish there was an option for HELL fucking YES...
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 08:46 PM by Alexander
The Clintonian tactics of late have been absolutely disgusting.

This is coming from someone who was proud to have met Bill in October 2006.

Emphasis on "was".
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:47 PM
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30. He triangulated my nose away from any respect I might have had for him.
Injuries I will not repeat.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:47 PM
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31. What bullshit. No one will show me which rule he's breaking.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:41 PM
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46. HUMAN DECENCY!!! RESPECT FOR HIMSELF AND HIS WIFE!!
RESPECT FOR THE COUNTRY!!!!
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:48 PM
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32. I thought he was a creep in 1988
when he gave that long-ass nominating speech for Dukakis at the convention.

His campaign in 1992 did little to dispel that feeling.

His shenanigans while in office (NAFTA, "welfare reform", the Telecom bill, bombing that pharma plant in Sudan) just cemented it.

I haven't respected him in nearly 20 years.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:49 PM
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33. No more so than most politicians...
He's the same man we loved 8 years ago. I think he's just tired and it's harder to pull of the charisma as before. I don't understand all the hate, really. Except for that NAFTA thing, he was a pretty good president. How many presidents have so few "ooopsies" in their past?

:shrug:
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:50 PM
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34. I may not agree wth him on things
And I am not a Clinton supporter, but at least Bill is bringing up things about Obama that everyone else is scared to do. Obama can't expect a free ride anymore, the nomination is to important to wait till after we pick a nominee to find out all the "dirt" that the repugs will be using against them in the general.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:52 PM
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35. Yes but
I lost respect for him long before this. It was when I looked at his record and saw how conservative he was and how he had done nothing for the liberals.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:52 PM
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36. Wow, the vast right wing conspiracy
has really infested this site! I remember the Clinton years as pretty good for my and the country. We were rich, respected world wide, no war, no deficit. But oooooh, he got a friggin' blow job??? WTF?
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:58 PM
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37. What did he do that was truly progressive???
And whether you noticed it or not, we were at war (just ask the Serbs, or perhaps the people of Somalia). Bill Clinton had a Democrat majority for 2 years and did JACK SQUAT.

As for things being so great economically, try asking one of the millions of African-American women and children who were adversely affected by Clinton's Republican-authored "welfare reform".

This site is NOT a home for the VRWC. It is, however, a place that is >50% progressive, so Billy Boy is probably not going to get the same kid glove treatment he gets from the newspapers under his & HRC's thumbs.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:37 PM
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44. Yeah, sure
:eyes: just cause people point out that the "emperor has no clothes". I won't to be like the RW reTHUGS who refuse to see their heroes as flawed and again and again "drink the Kool-aid" and repeat the same disasters again and again. x(
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:12 PM
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38. Since Way Before That....
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 09:14 PM by fingrpik
Bill lost me when he denied having "sex with that woman". His reply, of course, should have been, "None of your goddamn business!!" Imagine the cheer that would have erupted across the land. "So much for your bogus impeachment, you Repug assholes!". Then, of course, there's the little matter of his failure to promote or enact any progressive programs. In 8 years! If his wife gets the nomination, despite being the weakest Democratic candidate, and manages to win in November, we can expect to see a similar weak-kneed performance from her administration. The Iraq war will drag on for umpteen years. No universal health care. (Can't upset the generous folk from the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.) Keep, or even strengthen the Patriot Act. (Love them powers!) If the Neo-cons have to lose the White House to the Dems, Hillary is their President of choice.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:14 PM
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39. I am disappointed.
As a former president, I think he should have stayed out of this and let Hillary run on her own merits.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:17 PM
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40. in honestly i'm seeing a side of him that republicans were always talking about
and i don't care for it. Granted republicans were total douche bags and i never believed anything they said about him but he does seem to have a bit of an unseemly underbelly.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:24 PM
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41. He definitely lost credibility when he directly lied to the country. nm
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:29 PM
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43. Honestly, yes. Look at Jimmy Carter if you want to see how an ex-president can act.
Building homes for homeless VS< cashing in for another 20 million?

I'll take this one.

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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:39 PM
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45. I wonder what bill will be nailing at that age...
too bad if someone doesn't like that comment. He did it to himself, the cheating sleazebag.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:09 PM
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54. I nominate THAT answer for a DUzy award!
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:42 PM
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47. Precisely! No other president has acted in the despicable manner that clinton has. nt
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:43 PM
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48. By 2000, He Had Made Nader Seem Like an Appealing Option
I was drifting into the Michael Moore fringes of the Party until I realized that we had to create a bigger push away from the "third-way" politics of the triangulating 90's that made "liberal" a dirty word.

Just for the record, I did NOT vote for Nader.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:44 PM
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50. And he may be again, unfortunately, or bloomberg if Clinton keeps this up!
Their need to grab power at any cost may cost us the election!!!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:44 PM
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49. Yes.
Bigtime.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:53 PM
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52. None
He betrayed his supporters with his lies. Not just the the masses in this party, but a lot of Democrats that defended him because they believed him. They put their reputation on the line for him.

Then he admits he was lying the whole time he was in the WH, said in his book that he had sex with all these women that had made the accusations.

Sorry, he is trailer trash and I don't believe anything he or his wife says.



Love the photo of Carter above, that man uses his power to bring attention to worthwhile causes, not just with words, but with action.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:53 PM
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53. yes, but it started some time back
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:23 PM
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55. I lost respect when he decided the BFEE were his best friends.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:24 PM
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56. This bogus poll is a Clinton's-hater's paradise. nt
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:24 PM
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58. Bogus?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:25 PM
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57. Sadly, yes. Lying about Obama is simply over the top.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:27 PM
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59. Clinton is lowering the office of the Presidency...again.
Ex-Presidents are supposed to be more dignified than that.
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