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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:18 PM Original message |
Obama trusts women to make prayerful decisions on a deeply moral issue such as abortion... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. Obama trusts women, eh? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. only if they pray |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
2. He shouldn't forget the other half |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
4. Oh here we go... |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I don't think the Clintons will bite this time.... |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Unfortunately, the Republicans... |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. I know, and that's unfortunate...but, |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. He has a way of speaking |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. If you saw the clips of Obama today... |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Well, I for one don't see him as a King, more like "The Prince" nt |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. LOL.... |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
80. JoBama? |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
7. I hate to hear that "prayerful" crap from any of our candidates. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
77. amen! |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. Your quotes show Sen. Obama in a positive light. |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
10. Was this his comment when he was on the 700 club? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. It was on CBN, don't know which show. nt. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Yep. Arguing a pro-choice viewpoint by speaking in terms his audience can understand. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
13. K&R! |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
15. Gee, thanks. If a woman chooses abortion, I guess she didn't pray and make the moral decision |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. Sure she did. She made her own moral decision, and Obama believes it is not his right to interfere. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
61. Give me a break. It is patronizing to women & pandering to the Religious Right. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. It's patronizing to claim woman can make their own decisions? |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. It's PATRONIZING for him to tell women they need to pray about it, tell us how to be moral. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. He didn't say that. He said he trusts women to handle it. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. He did say that! It IS patronizing. It's NOBODY'S business how or what we decide. That's the law. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Absolutely. And that was Obama's point. I'm glad you finally got to it. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
94. That was not his point, but nice way to give up when you can't get away from what he said. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Yeah, it was his point. You're arguing in the face of his words. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. It isn't "pandering to the RR." It's selling abortion rights to the RR. Huge difference. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
78. They aren't buying, and it's the LAW already. He is only pandering. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. It is the law. He's explaining why support for that law is compatible with Xianity. And given |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. They may be buying HIM with his code language that he thinks it's immoral. How does that help us? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. You may want to recalibrate your decoder. Seriously, since when do you pander to the RR by |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #84 |
97. By IMPLYING YOU DON'T LIKE IT, but that's the law. THAT'S how one PANDERS. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. He said nothing about "that's the law." He said he was pro-choice, and trusted women |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. He didn't need to, want to. That's why he IMPLIED it. Do you know how to imply something? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. I don't see any "that's the law" resignation there. He's talking about actively supporting that law. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. While "sniff" feeling it's wrong and hoping women will pray to god and do the 'right' thing. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Again, you're just making shit up. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Aaaannnddddd.....She HAS NOTHING LEFT TO ARGUE! Set. Game. Match. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Sorry, but "I bet he meant to imply the opposite of what he said" counts as "making shit up." |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #104 |
110. "A TEAR"....'sniff', I hope women will ask GOD, sniff, and, sniff, do the RIGHT thing, sniff. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Straw-Obama isn't a very good candidate, no. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
16. spam spam troll troll spam troll spam troll spam spam troll troll spam |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. agreed |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. Obama's position is nothing but spam? |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
18. Absolutely pro-choice. |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Here-Here. I agree. It's good to see that he isn't trying to decide what's best for us. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Hilarious to see Hillarites trying to spin "Obama trusts people to make their own decisions" |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I know. But it doesn't matter if he says something, and HRC repeats it verbatim. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. "prayerful" decisions. And thanks, I don't need his TRUST, I have my RIGHTS. n/t |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. You do have your rights. Obama is explaining to the 700 Club why he supports those rights. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. repeating my downpost: Moral component eh? So women having abortions are immoral and need prayer? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. That is the opposite point than the one he made, as I said in my reply. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
21. 100% NARAL rating. 100% Planned Parenthood rating. That's why I love this quote. |
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Scriptor Ignotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. if someone read your post with an open mind |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
22. This again? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
28. Oh dear! He thinks women should make up their own minds!! The HORROR!! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Apparently some Clinton supporters would prefer politicians to make the hard decisions for you. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Only with God's help - atheists women may be lead by more moral people |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. The point which seems to have sailed over your head is that it is the woman's decision. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
65. The point is HE'S PANDERING to the RELIGIOUS RIGHT. He should firmly keep religion out of it. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Not pandering. Selling abortion rights. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Again, that's the opposite of what he said. He said women can make their own decisions. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
30. That fits perfectly with Obama's "I am a Proud Christian" quote. Obam the PREACHER~MAN. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
35. Moral component eh? So women having abortions are immoral and need prayer. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Abortion is a complex issue; he's saying he can't judge another's morality because of that. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
59. That very clearly isn't what he said at all, it's what you are saying. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. You are badly distorting his meaning, but we both know that. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #62 |
74. On the contrary, that is EXACTLY what he's saying. But I believe you when you say that |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Sorry, but no. Nowhere does he claim that either decision is immoral. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. Women are moral agents. That has been taken away from them by a patriarchal |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
67. If that's what he meant (clearly it was not) then it would have been easy for him |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
37. HRC: |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
86. I'd prefer an "or" between "their face and their sense of responsibility" |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
38. I'll probably prayerfully vote him off this race, the sanctimonious hypocrite. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. What is hypocritical about saying women have the right to make their own decisions, and then |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Give it up OB....the Clinton staffers here have their fingers in their |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. Implying atheist women should STFU? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. First, he didn't, and second, where's the hypocrisy? |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
46. what about atheists, obama? they, obviously do NOT make "prayerful decisions" |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. It is about rights. Obama is telling the 700 Club why he is in favor of preserving those rights, |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. he seems to be limiting those rights to those who pray. sorry, that doesn't work for me. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. No, he isn't. He says all women have those rights. And he has 100% NARAL and 100% PP ratings. |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. he never told you who to pray to.....n/t |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. And if I refuse to pray to anyone?????can I still have an abortion? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Yes. It's clearly your legal right. Obama is explaining why he supports that legal right. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. No he's not. He didn't talk about the law or our right to PRIVACY at all. He pandered to the RR. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. No, he explained to the RR why he supported that right in terms they could understand, |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
91. What, are they stupid? They understand & think it's WRONG. He's pandering by implying he does too. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Ahaha. So you think he's pandering by highlighting his pro-choice stance. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. No, he's pandering by implying he thinks it's WRONG like they do, but, hey, it's the law. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. "Hey, it's the law?" He didn't say anything like that at all. Nor did he say he thinks it's wrong. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. YES, he was implying that he thinks it's wrong. You don't understand how implication works? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. Nope. He wasn't. And since when do you pander to the RR by referencing your 100% pro-choice record? |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #92 |
99. But glad you finally got to it. |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. you can have whatever the hell you want as far as I'm concerned.... |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
47. Gee, thanks Obama. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Remember that Obama is completely in favor of abortion rights, given his 100% NARAL and PP ratings? |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. So, we can't point out that he is pandering to the RR, patronizing women by instructing us to pray? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. He's not pandering to the RR. He's trying to sell abortion rights to the RR. If a candidate |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #72 |
85. He's trying to sell HIMSELF by implying he thinks it's immoral and a religious issue. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. He's selling himself to the RR by highlighting his pro-choice stance? |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
88. I don't care for the delivery - |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. He's not telling women to do anything. He's telling the 700 Club why they shouldn't tell women |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Who gives a CRAP about what the 700 Club thinks? We know. He's PANDERING. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Actually, Planned Parenthood in South Dakota took a similar stance to great effect, |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #90 |
106. This is language I understand: |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
58. I thought you were IndianaGreen and thought something terrible had happened. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
75. So, maybe an ammendment to require a 2 minute prayer before the procedure? |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
87. Here we go again with this half-wit horseshit... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
101. I can't argue with that logic. Didn't HRC claim that Abortion is "a tragedy?" |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #101 |
114. She said that in the context of there not being good sex ed. and birth control |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
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